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Named Innovators/Developers of Color?
i_c_andrade asks: "Apple and other tech companies were in the past called to task for the lack of Hispanics and African-American's on their Board of Directors, so after doing some research I came to the conclusion that I just did not know a lot of named IT/OSS/Web/CS innovators/developers that were not white (or American) specifically Hispanic or African-American. The first (and only) name that I could think of was Miguel de Icaza, and well I can only blame my own ignorance for not knowing any more, or are there? I know there is a big BSD movement in Brazil (they created the The FreeBSD LiveCD Project; but where else are there developers 'of color' and what are they working on?"
I have sort of a pinkish tan hue.
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I haven't seen anyone "of color" in the entire computer science program at any of the three colleges that I've been at, except for four Indians, but they obviously aren't black/hispanic.
Maybe they aren't represented in the industry because they aren't entering the industry in significant numbers, but I may have just been at three colleges that were unrepresentative of the nation as a whole.
Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know. ~Lao Tzu
Marcelo Tosatti, who's the maintainer the 2.4, has lived in Brazil his whole life.
Interview and pic can be found here.
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Does it really matter who (in the sense of ethnic diversity) writes the OSS code or makes a important innovation? The only thing that should matter (at least thats my opinion) is what they did (ie the result of their work). I wouldn't even care if the creator of my next email application is white/black/yellow/blue, I only care about the quality of their work. And I think if they do a good job they should be proud of themselves, because they did a good job and not because they did a good job and they were [enter whatever color you want].
Everyone on here looks like black text on a white background to me.
When will Windows be ready for the desktop?
In an online world like development, especially open source, color is a question thats outdated. I have no idea what color someone I read on a miling list, IRC, email, or slashdot is. I don't particularly care. He has good ideas, I'll listen to his advice in the future.
Same at work- I know my teammates, but for other groups unless their names are a giveaway I don't know if he's white, black, purple, polka-dot, or the flying spaghetti monster. I don't really care either- I'm paid to deal with them, thats all I need to know.
The better question is- more than a century after the end of slavery, 50 years after segregation ended, why do people still ask this? Who cares what color your hero is? He's your hero, thats enough. It seems to me that the biggeswt problem in race relations these days isn't the white man looking gown on the black, its the minorities who keep seeing themselves as different, with questions like this.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
http://www.plusthree.com/ - president is Hispanic, another one of the five partners (and a lead developer) is Alaskan Native. Plus Three has been around for over 3 years now, making us one of the old timers for Open Source.
Do you really care if they're "of color", gay, jewish, albino, are incontinent, fear showers, or smell like alabama truckstop?
I want software that works. Licensing is secondary; color of the developers isn't even a factor.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Why does it matter? I thought we were supposed to be racially unbiased and "color blind" these days. We're also supposed to be gender unbiased. Why do you care if the person who develops your FOSS is white, black, Chinese, Mexican, Portugese, Canadian, whatever? As long as it works...
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
Actually, you just described the poor. There are many white people living in poverty as well.
It's not a race issue; it's a class issue.
I haven't seen anyone "of color" in the entire computer science program at any of the three colleges that I've been at...
Don't go holding your breath:
And I had worked so hard to earn all that good Karma.Sigh...
I resent that. I didn't have anything handed to me on a silver platter and I'm as white as it gets. I've had to work my arse off to get where I am and I'm not even that far. It's going to take over a year of working in a test department at a software company just to get enough money to go finish my associates degree.
It's not about color, it's about social class. Sure, maybe there's more latinos in the low end, but there's plenty of us crackers there too. Hell, I went to apply for a grant and the only thing that kept me from getting it was that I wasn't latino or female. So I'm going to have to earn my education.
DONT PANIC
Basically because I get tired of seeing in Hispanic Business or other minority based trade magazines a total lack of innovators, they focus on COO's or some VP of finance. I tried to think of oh I dont know good role models for non-white kids to have when it comes to the tech world. My CS department and college graduate the 2nd highest number of hispanics in the US, and its just hard to think of people (due to well just know knowing of any) that I can point out to people and say "see they are a great [developer/innovator/developer] that you can use for a role model". Females have Admiral Hopper and Lady Babbige; who can minorities look to?
This is the most racist comment I have seen in this story so far. Please elaborate on the "less good home life", I have no idea what you mean by this... are you saying that their homes are less expensive? or in poor neighborhoods?
And perhaps, the quality of schools in the poorer sections of the US is not as good as in the more affluent sections, but you can't say that there are no white people going to these schools too.
The less wealth comment might be valid across a portion of the population, but you can't say that there aren't a lot of blacks and hispanics making a good living
The comment that you make that I have to disagree with most is the "less college education". Going to college myself I found that I was hard pressed to find ways to pay for school. A large portion of grants and scholarships are racially biased. As a black person I would've had my entire education paid for, but as a white person I had to take out large student loans. As a black person I would've even been able to get into college with lower test scores and a lower GPA.
Despite what you may think, as a white person I am discriminated against by the laws and policies in the US. If I do not have the privilege of coming from a rich family I am basically left out in the cold when it comes to paying for, and being accepted to a good college.
Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know. ~Lao Tzu
Chris Rock (a black comedian) says that even the poorest and sorriest white American would hesitate to trade places with him "and I'm rich!" he points out. Think about it dude. We subconsciously notice all the discrimination that takes place against blacks, and that is why people balk at the "trade places with me" suggestion from Chris Rock...
This "ask slashdot" story is racist on itself. It would've been racist even the policaly correct term du jour (like "non anglo-saxon" or whatever) were used insted of the very racist "of color". Making a compleatly unfounded statistic remark about racial participation in "IT/OSS/Web/CS" projects is calling for more uninformed bable and flames.
16,777,216 comments ought to be enough for any forum!
Reading this thread is interesting. Most minorities posters are seemingly frustrated for no reason about this topic. This is specifically to you who come across this. I'm an African-American male and I also experience racism and discrimination everyday. Just recently I was stopped over the Brooklyn Bridge for no other reason than my skin color. In Dec of 94 I started using free software exclusively. Currently, I work for a server company, most of my time is spent screwing around the kernel/selinux and distribution related crap.
I learned all I needed to learn the day I realized I could make anything that I wanted to with the tools provided to me. That day, sometime in Dec of 94 (my age 13-14 or so) I realized that worrying about discrimination and racism was unimportant in this arena. I had the tools necessary to do whatever I wanted while also be compensated for it. Also realize that the world is much bigger than the USA which is largely the most racist. (I've also traveled a bit) You'll find racism and discrimination elsewhere but your software has no color and will be warmly accepted by the people who need it; once it fits their needs.
The racist and discriminatory persons should be of no matter or recourse to you. Ignore them for the most part when it comes to matters like this. Concentrating your efforts on your work are more important and will produce better results. I'm sure some racist and discriminatory people benefit from some of my opensource work everyday. What are you going to do? I see it as a win; win all around. People are entitled to their views and opinions. I'm not racist and discriminatory and I'll fight it where it makes sense. Here's not one of the places it makes sense.
My views for everyone else are that there are less minorities in computing because the initial cost of computers were prohibitive for most. That combined with social stigmas, general disdain towards said groups and lack to equipment made it extremely difficult. I'm only lucky in the aspect that at the time my parents are what one would deem upper middle class and could afford to purchase me a Fountain PC 80286 with 5 1/4 floppy. As of current, its primarily an education problem but with free distributions and word of mouth I expect to see more minorities entering the arena in the next decade. Especially in their own countries.
As much as i'd love to regulate this argument to being primarily a class issue (which would at least be better than what it actually is). That isn't fair. The class issue is part and parcel because of the race issue. A majority of poor which is considered "class" are also black/hispanic. They are poor because a majority of the wealthy are white who then predicate discriminatory and racist behavior.
Free software changes all of this though. Minorities or people who feel oppressed economically now have all the tools needed in modern day to change that. No longer does one need to feel dependent on anything other than their capabilities and imagination to survive.
So you can complain, or you can get a copy of binutils, glibc and gcc and get to work. It's not easy and nothing ever is. There will be days you wish gdb actually fucking worked and good days. Whatever the case; use your mind and creative talents to change the world.
You'll find that the people who are really good at what they do don't care what your skin color is and if they do. You're better.
As for naming inventors. Lewis Latimer was a black scientist that created the electric lightbulb and the first air conditioner. Worked with Edison. The house he did all of his work in was recently moved to Queens. Interesting fellow and i'm lucky enough to have met the person involved for a majority of this. I even got to see his original patents. GE donated to the restoration and we held the opening ceremony last year. All in all it was a fun ceremony and it inspired me even further.
I don't really see that. I grew up with little to no money, I wore hand-me-down clothes, both my parents worked, a box of tuna helper was dinner for 5, I never owned a computer until I managed to buy an old commodore from goodwill for $5, I rarely had all the school supplies that I needed, I never had air conditioning, I never had heat, other than 1 year I never had the means to participate in any sports, and still I couldn't find a grant to pay for school. When I began searching for grants and scholarships I found many that I would've qualified for if I were a minority... or, since you brought it up, of a different ethnicity, son of a veteran, woman, etc... I have issue with all discriminatory scholarships that are not based on merit or need, but since this was a thread about race I didn't want to cloud an already hotly discussed issue.
To continue with my defense for the "woe is the white male crap" I want to say that I too grew up in a small town. In the town that I lived in if you were under the age of 18 and it was after 11pm a police officer would stop you when they saw you walking along the streets and try to take you home, but the police implemented a policy of not stopping black children because they didn't want to appear racist. I am by no means trying to give a sob story and talk about how bad my life is, but I am more pointing out that despite this idea that minorities are the only ones who experience discrimination, white men are discriminated against just as much.
So educational opportunities are still not being realized for blacks and hispanics. Admission rates still lag behind whites and asians, and as of 2001 were actually declining.
This is true, admission to 4 year universities is declining, but many believe that this is due to an increased enrollment in lower cost 2-year community colleges at first.
That "head start" takes the form of better schools, better access to health care, better living conditions, and the like. If you don't help those that are disadvantaged, they will remain disadvantaged for a long long time.
But how long should we give those who were disadvantaged an advantage? A generation? two? Until they are equally represented? What if that never happens? Maybe it's not a problem with society, but a problem with the culture of the underrepresented groups.
You complaining about a compartively small amount of programs, focusing on that as the source of all your problems
None of this is the source of all my problems. I'm very happy with my life, I hold no animosity towards anyone. If there was a scholarship available for my ethnic group I'd surely take it. I really just wanted to point out that I dislike how every time someone takes issue with an underrepresented group in any industry, if that group is a minority, the knee-jerk reaction is to blame society rather than the members of that group. The general trend is then to talk about the lack of privilege, I wanted to point out that a lot of those groups have programs in place to help them pay for college, something I didn't have.
Perhaps you should have done more research into financial aid. Perhaps you should have studied harder in high school. No. Of course not. It's the negros.
Perhaps they should have worked harder, perhaps they should have attempted to get into college. No. Of course not. It's society.
You don't know what discrimination is. Stop grandstanding. You're emberassing yourself.
How am I grandstanding? I'm simply relating my personal experience. How is my personal experience emberrassing?
Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know. ~Lao Tzu