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Matt Asay on the Status of OSS

OSS_ilation writes "An interview with OSBC director Matt Asay at SearchOpenSource.com gives some insight into where open source software (OSS) has been, is today, and where it hopes to be in the future. A common trend identified by Asay in the interview is that OSS has become very profitable. Asay also touched on the hot-button issue of where the GPL is headed, as well as how open source vendors shouldn't let high download rates give them a big head about the real validity of their projects."

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  1. Summation by Kylere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If people use it, you can make money from it.
    If people download it, it does not mean they are using it.

    Funny, but I already knew that. Now I just have to find something people will use besides Video Fish :-)

  2. Snort and Nessus by Cally · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the week that Nessus went closed source, spitting in the face of all those who helped the project thinking it was free software, let's hope that the Gnessus project (based on the last Free version of Nessus) takes off, and that the continuing-Free Snort and Nmap continue to flourish. The progress of Sourcefire and Snort will be particularly interesting to compare with that of Tenable (Renaud's company) since Marty Roesch has been clear that Sourcefire (his company) being bought by Checkpoint won't affect Snort, which will continue to be Free software under the GPL.

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    1. Re:Snort and Nessus by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He didn't spit on anybody's face. He just admitted that he was tired of giving away his software so his competitiors could put him out of business. He was trying to run a business (not a charity) off of OSS. The OSS services people get away with murder by charging for their services. OSS developers get murdered if they try to charge for their work. Doesn't anybody realize the obvious OSS double-standard here?

      There's a difference between OSS and FOSS!

    2. Re:Snort and Nessus by ponds · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Uhh, the VAST majority of the nessus work was done by Tenable. I doubt I would call it "spitting in the face" of anyone. Also, the GPL does not allow Tenable to use code that has been contributed from third parties in future-closed source nessus. Only code that Tenable owns the copyright to (which happens to be something like 98% of the nessus code). All of the contributed code will not appear in closed-source nessus. So, I daresay that Tenable is spitting in the face of anyone.

      I really hope the Gnessus project rethinks their name, as a fork they should really try to take a different name so as not to confuse users. Also, I'd hate for this to cause trademark/copyright issues down the road...

    3. Re:Snort and Nessus by Suppafly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      spitting in the face of all those who helped the project thinking it was free software

      What kind of help did these people provide? Presumably if it were code, they would have something to say about Nessus going closed source.

    4. Re:Snort and Nessus by bladesjester · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree about the double edged nature of open source software. People ask me what the benefits in open sourcing their software is and if they can still make money on it.

      My answer tends to be if you plan to make most of your money on support, training, specialized implementations, setup, etc then you've got a chance. If the only thing you're bringing to the table is the software itself, then opening it doesn't make a lot of sense.

      I sort of walk a line of being a buisnessperson and an open source advocate. Sometimes it's a hard line to walk, but we do what we can.

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  3. A Lesson for RIAA ... by slashbob22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because someone downloads music, doesn't mean they listen to the crap...

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  4. Source of revenue...? by sczimme · · Score: 4, Insightful


    [I did RTFA, though it's entirely possible I missed something.]

    Mr. Asay did not clarify the distinction between revenue from product sales and revenue from support and other services. He mentioned Red Hat as an example of an OSS company that is making money, but he didn't indicate how much of that money came from selling RHEL and other products vice the consulting, etc. that RH also offers. He alludes to it briefly when he says "OSS has trended toward examples like the Red Hat Network and the MySQL network" but leaves it at that.

    This is not a slam on Asay, btw; it's just something I thought would make the article more useful.

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  5. Matt Asay's credentials and achievements. by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can anyone shed some light on Matt Asay's credentials and achievements? Has he made any significant open source contributions, be them in the form of code, documentation, icons, etc.? What is his background, and past involvement with the open source community. His name isn't one that rings a bell, so that's why I'm wondering who exactly he is.

    Is he a master contributor such as Bruce Perens, or is he more of an Eric S. Raymond?

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    1. Re:Matt Asay's credentials and achievements. by Subrafta · · Score: 5, Informative

      Matt Asay has been involved with Linux for the past few years, both professionally and academically. Asay is Director of Novell's Linux Business Office and Open Source Review Board, and is responsible for laying the strategic and business foundation for Novell's use of open source software.
      Before Novell, Asay was General Manager at Lineo, an embedded Linux software startup, where he ran Lineo's Residential Gateway business. Asay earned his Juris Doctorate degree at Stanford Law School, spending two of his three years studying software licensing and innovation, and specifically the GNU General Public License, under Professor Larry Lessig.
      http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/view/e _spkr/1627

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  6. Re:Professionalism in the open source world. by chromatic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Such incidents make executives question the professionalism of the entire open source community...

    You may be taking the wrong lesson from that exchange.

  7. Re:Professionalism in the open source world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's because you're a troll and a total pest.

    All moderators: nothing CyricZ ever posts has any real content. All of his posts are made to generate responses - sometimes he comes across as reasonable, at other times as needling and nosy, but always content-free. Please mod him -1, Troll.

  8. hobby computing by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who cares? Free Software in the 1990's and 2000's has revitalized the hobby of computing and programming. If you are in development for the money, your in it for the wrong reasons. You won't last.

    1. Re:hobby computing by bladesjester · · Score: 2

      So just because I want to make a living at something that I actually tend to enjoy doing (late night bughunting sessions asside), I'll never last?

      I'd love to know what experience you have in the field. Not to mention what you're smoking, because I've got news for you: the professional caliber tools are still being written by people who do it for a living. Just because they work on some of those tools in their spare time for their own reasons doesn't make them hobbyists. At the end of the day, they are still professionals in their field.

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  9. Re:Oracle (Household Name) by MmmmAqua · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ancient Greece?

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  10. Re:Professionalism in the open source world. by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree, nobody should be forced to contribute to an open source project. But then again, I think there is a certail level of honour that the developers of a larger project (such as KOffice or KDE) must show. That's not to say that they have to suck up to their users, or anything of that sort. What they should not do, however, is blatantly insult users in public while mentioning their contributions to said projects.

    There's a minimum standard, and that particular developer sunk below it in that particular instance. Intentional or not, it did reflect poorly on the entire project, including all of those individuals who have been extremely helpful in the past. If anything, such insults are more disrespectful to those with the KDE project who have helped built its fantastic image, rather than to the person the insults were directed towards.

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  11. OSS has been profitably for very few by AutopsyReport · · Score: 3, Insightful
    An OSS company being profitable is a rarity. For every OSS company and every OSS developer, the chances of profitability are slim. Contrast this with a typical proprietary software company, and there simply is no comparison.

    When more than a select few companies (only three listed) prove to be capable of pulling a profit, then I'd call it a trend. But considering that most open source development teams pursue their software with little to no financing, it's far too early to even call this a trend. I'd call this the beginnings of a foundation that may begin to include other viable open source products.

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    1. Re:OSS has been profitably for very few by bladesjester · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The simple truth is that most new businesses (something like 2/3 or 3/4) fail. It doesn't really matter what field they're in, most of them tank. The thing with basing a business around open source software is that you can't really expect your money to come from the software itself, but rather you have to find something to leverage with the software (services, hardware devices, support, etc).

      Every business has pitfalls. This one just happens to have some weird ones.

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