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Microsoft Rep To Keynote Unix Conference

An anonymous reader writes "According to ZDNET Microsoft is going to be keynoting the Australian Unix and Open Systems Users Group conference. From the article: '"Don't be put off by Chris' Microsoft badge -- he is actually a long time Unix hacker," the user group said today in a statement updating users on presentations at the conference ... Green, Microsoft's local Unix Interoperability and High Performance Computing specialist, will update the conference on his company's "Unix and open source-related activities, including their efforts to provide a POSIX environment in Windows, and to integrate Windows and Unix systems."'"

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  1. I call bull hockey! by yagu · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the slashdot article:

    will update the conference on his company's 'Unix and open source-related activities, including their efforts to provide a POSIX environment in Windows, and to integrate Windows and Unix systems.'

    I call bullhockey on this. A lot of slashdotters probably aren't even old enough to remember when Microsoft first came out with NT. Their PR releases were all abuzz with their new advanced technology OS with special emphasis on their intent to have a POSIX compliant OS. At the same time they talked me into working for them (took three offers, a signing bonus, and a pretty nice stock option offer), under the ostensible work they'd have for me to provide support for their POSIX subsystem.

    Once I was in the door, and within the first week I attended what was described as a "presentation on NT's POSIX subsystem", presented by the POSIX team. That team turned out to be a guy named Matt (don't know his last name).

    The project manager Margaret (don't remember HER last name) got up before the presentation and said (and I can only paraphrase, I don't remember verbatim, but guarantee the accuracy of the spirit of her comments): "Before we proceed with this presentation, there's one thing I (Microsoft) want to make clear. The POSIX subsystem is a check box. We're only doing it to fulfill the requirement to have POSIX so we can get government contracts."

    I was almost physically ill, what was to be MY role (my background was Unix) if their POSIX was to be a sham? (BTW, not only did they not intend to support it, they only implemented the API portion of POSIX, not the user environment and utilities.)

    I called Larry Kroger who was in charge of things and desparately asked him what I was supposed to tell people who were asking POSIX support questions. He told me, "tell them we don't support it.". What if they ask about future plans for POSIX? He replied, "tell them we have no plans.".

    Forgive me if have doubts about Microsoft's purity in "plans" today to do POSIX.

    Oh, and for the record, anyone who doubts my accounts... the entire presentation was videotaped (1992), as were all of their internal presentations. I only assume it would still be available today but if it is, it will reflect my accounting of events.

    1. Re:I call bull hockey! by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, as a registered owner of two copies of Softway System's Interix, and one copy of the crippled subset of it that Microsoft released after purchasing it, and further an observer of the further crippled version they now call Services for Unix, I call bullshit on you.

      Microsoft bought Softway Systems to keep it a limited phenomenon, and to make sure it shrunk in power, didn't grow. They probably had Softway Systems by the balls in the first place, of course, because in order to get access to the trade secrets to integrate a powerful POSIX api with the NT kernel, they probably signed mega-NDA contracts.

      I do remember that there was a period before Microsoft purchased Softway Systems when Softway was sending out appeals to the Open Source Community asking if Interix should be 'open sourced.' Not sure if that was a sham appeal or not.

      But 'Services For Unix' is not _For_ Unix. It's for defending against Unix.

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      resigned
  2. In othe news, by Hershmire · · Score: 5, Funny

    we were never at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

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  3. Re:doesn't matter what he DID before, he works for by ebuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quotes the parent poster, "Why on earth would anybody let an MSFT badge keynote a *nix conference is beyond me..."

    I imagine it's the Krusty the Klown defense on why one must sell out:

    Sobs for a few breaths then exclaims in anguish, "They parked a dumptruck full of cash on my front yard! What else could I do!?!?!?" More emphatic sobbing.

  4. Re:Strange Days by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of us have been listening to Microsoft say dumb and rude things about Unix and Linux for over 7 years; after a bellyfull of their slander and FUD and lies and "unbiased studies" conducted by paid stool pigeons, all the while causing businesses to lose billions due to poor security and blue screens of death, we're supposed to treat their new mouthpiece with dignity and respect?

  5. READ THIS BEFORE MODERATING PARENT!!! by GameMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every name listed in the parent is the name of a person from the X-Men comics.

    Ororo Munroe = Storm
    Erik Lehnsherr = Magneto
    Henry McCoy = Beast

    1407 Graymalkin Lane is the fictional address of Professor Xavier's mansion.

    The parent post is a troll.

    -GameMaster

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  6. Long-time Unix Hacker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's funny they say that because I went to Microsoft career talks at my university (York University in Toronto) and every time a (different guy) came in and the first thing they said was:

      "... I was unix hacker for a long time before I decided Microsoft's the way to go ..."