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Magnetic Field Thruster Developed

ndverdo writes "There are reports of a working magnetic field engine prototype based on Alfvén waves designed by Austrian scientists. According to the reports fuel savings in rocket engines of 90% could be achieved. Other benefits include enhanced durability due to the nozzle forming outside the engine."

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  1. Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this economically/technologically feasible? I've been quite the sceptic lately with all these new "breakthroughs" that don't quite break through anything.

  2. Re:Perfectly understandable... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Thank you Suitepotato, for the first post that isn't a tedious whack against German sentence structure and Babelfish.

    A studied response, that - but will the fuels of an upper-stage necessarily be cryogenic, especially at the low fuel pressures at the latter life of the fuel supply? I'd be interested in seeing how much of the energy goes into keeping the magnetic post-nozzle configuration alive past that point. But I like the idea, and would be a little surprised if it couldn't be scaled up to main engines. Any efficiency gains at the heavy end of the trajectory would pay off handsomely.

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  3. Yeah but the article is inacurate. by Trizor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Formerly NASA's Adavnced Space Propulsion Laboratory (Recently privatized to get more money) has indeed developed a working VASIMR based fusion rocket engine that HAS run off of what is generally agreed to be the exhaust from a fusion reactor with very promising results. By Very promising I mean Mars in a month if the engine is fed the power output of a nuclear submarine's reactor. Only problem: Getting said reactor to space.

    1. Re:Yeah but the article is inacurate. by Trizor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just because you need a 30 years in the future reactor to leave the solarsystem doesnt mean you can use other reactors to run arround in the solar system until then... 30 years is just a blink in the cosmic scale any way, especially when star travel is concerned.

  4. You know what shocks me? by otomo_1001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not the article, which is actually quite readable once you know a bit of German. But most posters reaction to this awful machine translation.

    One second, time to climb on the soapbox. There we go.

    Jokes about different languages being "messed up grammatically" or just wrong, or the (very old and not really relevant anymore) jokes about German's reallylongwordsthatneverend are lame.

    Do you know what purpose words like those are for? Do you realize how incredibly useful that linguistic feature is?

    I admit that German verb structure is uncanny at first. Especially those damn separable verbs. But even they aren't that bad. There are reasons verbs come at the end of some German sentences. EG a modal verb in the first position.

    This really is no different than trying to use some wacky translator to translate smalltalk directly into c. It won't look pretty because of the differences in "grammar".

    Bad analogy but I am continually shocked by my own geek friends who think it is weird that I like to learn other human languages. They aren't that different than learning another computer language, and the power they allow can be infinitely more useful.

    And from my own experience, there are LOTS more women that learn French than German. Sooooo.... Learn some French and get laid. I think, actually stay away I like my odds right now.

    And I am done, time to get off the soapbox.

    Pick apart the English grammar/spelling if you want, I didn't proofread this at all.

    To quote mister Mark Twain himself about German orthography:
    Since long, my gentlemen, have I the passionate longing nursed a speech on German to hold, but one has me not permitted.

    Even funnier if you understand German grammar. Just had to vent, sorry if I pissed anyone off, but these jokes are really boring after the 1000th time reading them.

    PS: bonus for learning German, really hot intelligent German/Austrian/Swiss/Luxembourg women will adore you. Very few europeans even expect an American to know a tiny bit of any language other than English. Did I mention blonds? I am pretty sure I did.

  5. Applicable to launch vehicles? by Manhigh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We already have ion propulsion that offers specific impulses 5-10 times higher than those of chemical propulsion. The problem is, the thrust magnitude is very low (= 1N) and the physics of those thrusters prevents them from operating in the atmosphere.

    Now the key difference appears to be this: Ion propulsion gains efficiency by having a dramatically higher specific impulse. Some performance of ion propulsion systems is sacrificed due to its low thrust/mass ratio, but the high Isp usually more than makes up for that.

    The article states "The most substantial characteristic of the technology is ten times a higher flow-out rate, which otherwise only by a nuclear fusion engine - which (still) does not exist - is attainable." This makes it sound as if they are working on the fuel efficiency problem from the other part of the equation. If this technology does infact yield a very high flow rate, its possible it has a thrust level adequate for launch vehicles. Is there any word on whether or not this technology has any limitations to being used in such an application?

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