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DVD Jon to work for Michael Robertson

GuNgA-DiN writes "Jon Lech Johansen, the 21-year-old Norwegian media hacker nicknamed DVD Jon, is moving to San Diego to work for maverick tech entrepreneur Michael Robertson in what can only be described as the most portentous team-up since Butch met Sundance. "I have no idea what I'll be doing, but I know it will be reverse engineering, and I'm sure it will be interesting," Johansen told Wired News during a Friday stopover in San Francisco. Robertson's website reveals that they are working on a new project and all he said was: "Oboe is the code name for a significant new project we have underway that will launch before the end of the year. It's as momentous as anything I've ever done in my technical career, but I won't say more since I despise vaporware. I know this project will be even better with Jon on board.""

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  1. More info at WSJ Story and Jon's Blog by Hulkster · · Score: 4, Informative
    The WSJ story can be read here and has some interesting insights as Jon as a person. Also check out Jon's Blog that is appopriately (?) titled "So sue me"

    Hulk'in Halloween Display/Webcam is up

    1. Re:More info at WSJ Story and Jon's Blog by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps I shouldn't be posting while doing wireless surveying in the car. Don't worry, I'm not driving... my boss is.

      Right, and you were just down there looking for your keys. Heard it all before...

  2. Stay out! by CyricZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He should stay out of the US. We don't need him becoming another Dmitry Sklyarov.

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  3. It's a trap! by parasonic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Moving to the US...

    Officer: Welcome to America, sir
    Jon: It's a trap!
    [Brief pause] Officer: You are under arrest for crimes against the DMCA.

  4. Agreed by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    now he won't be able to reverse engineer anynthing that circumvents the copy protection on Blu-Ray.

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  5. All I know by Kawahee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "All I know is it will involve reverse engineering"

    Despite the fact that reverse engineering is legal for plenty of abstract instances, there's only a few cases where it's legal (in the US) to reverse engineer to compete/modify/upgrade (with) a product.

    I'm guessing this 'Oboe' thing is doomed to fail, regardless of how 'legit' it is, it's going to be blockaded by legal barrierers and appeals and whatnot.

    That's assuming they're using the reverse engineering to enter a market and compete with another services, if it's something completely new and doesn't compete with other services (at least directly), I'll change my tune.

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    1. Re:All I know by hador_nyc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As far as I know, it's legal to reverse engineer. Then you build something significantly different, but performing the same function, and sell it. I know people at P&G that do that with pratically every consumer product on the market. Is there a patent issue I'm missing? I though that was the whole point of patent laws and the like. You can reverse engineer if you like, but can't build something significantly similiar during the life of the patent. You can build something to perform the same function though.
      All that aside, I'm curious what they're up to. I'm a fan of competition and innovation. Isn't that the reason we all attack Microsoft so much?

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  6. Wired Story by hojna · · Score: 5, Informative

    The WIRED story is here. It is more indepth then the WSJ article.

  7. sorry guys.. by jkind · · Score: 5, Funny

    But there is already something called an Oboe.
    A doublereed, soprano range instrument with a conical bore (slightly expanding diameter from reed to bell). It has a nasal, but mellow and poignant, tone.
    Honestly though I don't see how Lindows + DVD + reverse engineering = profit?!

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  8. Seconded! Don't do it! by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dmitry was the first person I thought of too - seriously Jon, stay out! I'm not kidding. You'll wind up in jail. Doesn't matter if what you did was legal in your own country or not. The Media Mafia does NOT care. They'll have you locked up. These guys own Senators and they make the rules.

    No offer they've made could possibly be worth the risk. Don't do it.

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    rediculous.
  9. Let's get ahead of the game by Lifewish · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why don't we just set up the "Free Jon Lech Johansen" fund now? Will save time later.

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  10. All we know about Oboe by Xarius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that it will blow.

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  11. Doesn't really matter anymore by CheeseTroll · · Score: 5, Interesting
    According to the Wired article...

    "In Norway, you have the same laws (as in the United States) now," he says, "so it makes no difference if I'm doing my work here or there."

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  12. Robertson = SIPphone, Gizmo by gerbercj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Although Michael Robertson is known for things like Lindows, it seems that he's currently more excited about SIPphone and his Gizmo Project. I would guess that he's more interested in connecting that tool to the world to make a Skype killer. It's already got IP Phone, Jabber chat, and links to Google maps. Perhaps they're ready to reverse engineer some chat protocols for integration into a Jabber server? If only my crystal ball were working...

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  13. Re:TMM? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny
    I, for one, miss TripMaster Monkey's insights. What have you done with him?

    He is taking a well-deserved rest.

    He'll be back as a higly-moderated first-post in a duplicate story near you real soon.
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  14. Oboe = a better GPS / WiFi / Other radio tech ? by Dave21212 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, the techie in me believes that you always give a project a secret code name that represents some attribute of the nature of the project... (or is that the evil genius in me)?

    I looked around for data on the Oboe (ok, I went right to Google then to the Wiki) and found this intriging entry:
    Oboe was a British aerial blind bombing targeting system in World War II, based on radio transponder technology. The system went live in December 1942, about the same time H2S radar was introduced.

    Oboe used two stations at different and well-separated locations in England to transmit a signal to a Mosquito pathfinder (RAF) bomber carrying a radio transponder. The transponder reflected the signals, which were then received by the two stations. The round-trip time of each signal gave the distance to the bomber. (continued)
    ... let the wild speculation ensue !
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  15. Has no one noticed what a failure Robertson is? by Caiwyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why do we keep wasting our time paying attention to Robertson's antics? He's not much of an innovator and he's a terrible businessman. He consistently makes the wrong decisions, both in business and in the legal gambits he inevitably gets himself entangled in.

    mp3.com was his one true pioneering moment. The my.mp3.com site allowed you to put a CD in your drive and have mp3 versions of the music you owned instantly unlocked in their library. There was security to ensure that only one person was logged into any account, and that you had a physical copy of the disc you were unlocking. And of course, the RIAA sued them for it. And instead of sticking to his guns, Robertson settled, inviting even more lawsuits and eventually bankrupting the company and forcing him to sell it to Universal, who gutted and subsequently abandoned it.

    LindowsOS had to be renamed Linspire -- again because Robertson wouldn't stand his ground after poking "the man" in the eye.

    This is a man who consistently rocks the boat to garner attention, then steps down when anyone calls him on it. This is yet another move designed to make public waves without actually accomplishing anything. He's not one who makes sound business and legal decisions. I just hope he doesn't drag DVD-Jon down with him.

    1. Re:Has no one noticed what a failure Robertson is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Robertson's a failure we need more of them.

      Lets review:

      - The guy is in the 40 richest under 40
      - He help defend the first MP3 player to make it legal
      - He galvanized support for MP3 to make it the de facto standard
      - He resisted all efforts to add DRM to any of the music on MP3.com
      - He sold company for $400MM
      - He started Lindows and got $20MM from Microsoft to change the name to Linspire
      - Started SIPphone to promote open standard VOIP with http://gizmoproject.com/
      - Launched IMFederation.com to promote open standard IM
      - He's given millions to open source initiatives (linspire.com/opensource)

      I don't know what he's doing at MP3tunes or with DVD Jon, but I'd consider his resume pretty solid. He's a defender of open standards. He's opposed to DRM. He's not afraid to stand up to media companies or Microsoft. He's not just a tech guy but he's also made real money which he uses aggressively to promote causes he agrees with like Linux on Xbox.

      I think he rates at or near the top. Surely he's done more than Andreeson, Cuban and other one trick ponies.

      Of course there's no pleasing the slashdot crowd.

  16. Winter is coming... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny
    Easy multiple choice quiz:

    [ ] Winter in Norway
    [X] Winter in San Diego

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  17. No, wait! by solomonrex · · Score: 4, Funny

    Read the article, he's not going to the U.S., guys. He's going to California.