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ISS Orbit-Raising Attempt Fails

hpulley writes "ITAR-TASS reports that the Progress cargo ship currently docked at the ISS attempted an orbit raising burn this morning but the engine failed three minutes into the firing. Further burns are cancelled until they figure out the problem and meanwhile, the station continues to lose approximately a kilometer of altitude every week, with the rate increasing as the orbit decays. At present, the schedule says the next Progress, 20P, will be launched on December 21st, nearly 9 weeks from now. Normally the shuttle would also raise the orbit of ISS but it is not scheduled to launch until May 3rd at the earliest. Nominally the ISS orbits at 358km but if it drops to 300km, it may decay in a matter of days. It was down to 340km already on October 13th."

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  1. Update by hpulley · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since I submitted the article, another report has said this morning's emergency is not a problem, and they may attempt another orbit raising burn today. There is lots of time to make a correction and the orbit is OK for now.

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  2. Rather alarmist story... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Informative


    The story gives the impression that the ISS is in some sort of dire predicament, however, upon doing the math, one can see that the ISS has roughly 9 months of orbit still in front of it.

    Tempest, meet teacup.

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    1. Re:Rather alarmist story... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Informative


      Actually, the Earth's atmosphere extends out to roughly 2000 kilometers or so. Spacecraft orbiting within 2000 kilometers are slowly spiraling in, due to the the tiny amount of air resistance.

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    2. Re:Rather alarmist story... by eln · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I understand it, Orbit just means that your velocity forward is just compensating for the downward pull the Earth's gravity is imposing on you. So, you're actually falling constantly while you're in orbit, but you're moving away from the Earth horizontally fast enough so you stay at a fairly constant distance from the planet.

      I know that's a crappy explanation, but I'm not a rocket scientist. I'm sure you'll get at least one rocket scientist responding to you explaining it better, though.

    3. Re:Rather alarmist story... by descentr · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is one kilometer per week, not per day.

    4. Re:Rather alarmist story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      Did I miss something? I thought that in space there is no 'drag', so once something is in orbit, it stays in orbit... or are they not in 'space' per-se, but still in some very very low density part of the earth's atmosphere?

      They are in LEO, Low Earth Orbit, with emphasis on Low. So yes, there is some drag from the "atmosphere".

      The mistake you're making is to think there's some sort of sharp dividing line between "atmosphere" and "space". NASA defines "space" as beginning about 50 miles above the earth, but traces of atmosphere extend well above that.

    5. Re:Rather alarmist story... by interiot · · Score: 2, Informative
      Gravity has nothing to do with a decreasing orbit. If you imagine a universe with only two objects near each other, and no atmospheres, the objects will always orbit at the same distance. Gravity is a critical part of the orbit itself, but nothing else. Play with this Java applet or this applet for a couple minutes to see what I mean.

      The lowering of the orbit is primarily due to atmospheric drag, as mentioned in other posts.

    6. Re:Rather alarmist story... by pclminion · · Score: 3, Informative
      As I understand it, Orbit just means that your velocity forward is just compensating for the downward pull the Earth's gravity is imposing on you. So, you're actually falling constantly while you're in orbit, but you're moving away from the Earth horizontally fast enough so you stay at a fairly constant distance from the planet.

      A better way to think about it is in terms of forces, not velocities. In order for an object to travel in a circle, there must be an inward-directed force, a centripetal force. Imagine you're swinging a ball on a string around your head. The ball travels in a circle because the string is continually applying an inward-directed force to it. For an object in orbit, this inward-directed force is gravity.

      The image of the craft continually "missing" the Earth is not as useful, because the size of the Earth really isn't relevant to the question of orbit -- only its mass is. An object can orbit whenever its speed is less than the escape velocity. It's just that some orbits, unfortunately, intersect with the surface of the Earth.

    7. Re:Rather alarmist story... by david.given · · Score: 2, Informative
      A better way to think about it is in terms of forces, not velocities. In order for an object to travel in a circle, there must be an inward-directed force, a centripetal force. Imagine you're swinging a ball on a string around your head. The ball travels in a circle because the string is continually applying an inward-directed force to it. For an object in orbit, this inward-directed force is gravity.

      Unfortunately, while this analogy is technically more accurate, it's not actually useful --- because the when you imagine the ball being swung around your head, your intuition only considers the centrifugal force: the ball is pulling on your hand. Our built-in physics systems doesn't consider centripetal force to be useful, so we never notice it. This tends to lead people to dismiss this particular analogy as being incomprehensible.

      The continuously-falling-but-always-missing analogy is less accurate, but gives a better feel for what's going on. Orbital mechanics are, fundamentally, counterintuitive. Remember "East takes you out, out takes you west, west takes you in and in takes you east"? That's the sort of thing you're up against.

    8. Re:Rather alarmist story... by petermgreen · · Score: 3, Informative

      not entirely due to gravity though gravity is certainly involved.

      an orbiting object has its lateral velocity balanced with gravity in such a way that its state stays steady, but atnospheric resistance takes away energy from the object causing it to spiral into lower and lower orbits (and as the orbit gets lower the resistance gets greater accelerating the process).

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  3. Heavens-above! by saskboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't a good situation, but barring future disasters I'm confident that they'll get a ship up there to boost the ISS to a level where it can be saved for many more decades.

    If you want to see the graphical representation of the ISS's altitude, there's a nice chart at Heavens-above.com It's a free sign-up, and the bonus is you can find out when ISS flies over your house so you can see it or even take pictures like I do sometimes.

    I had noticed just a few days ago that the orbit was at its lowest point, and was getting concerned about what they were going to do about it.

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    1. Re:Heavens-above! by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 4, Informative

      You don't even need an account. Here's the direct link.
      http://www.heavens-above.com/issheight.asp

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  4. Details on Re-Boost by twiddlingbits · · Score: 4, Informative

    The first burn will be performed at 5:09pm for 705 seconds, the second at 6:33pm for 700 sec, both with 2.94 m/s delta-V each. Main purpose of the reboost is to set up proper orbit phasing for Progress 20 launch. [The burns will be performed by eight DPO-BT thrusters of Progress 19, from the #1 manifold and will be controlled in attitude by Service Module MNFD thrusters from both manifolds. The 19P burns are steered by the SM motion control & navigation system (SUDN) via the US-21 matching unit (installed in 19P on 9/13). The propulsion systems were tested successfully on 9/15.]

    They got 170 seconds out of 1405 seconds or about 12% of a burn. MOSCOW, October 19 (Itar-Tass) --A cargo ship docked at the International Space Station (ISS) fired its engine Wednesday to raise the space research platform into a higher orbit but in about three minutes the engine failed and the operation was canceled.

    The correction was to boost the space station more than 10 kilometers further from Earth into an orbit that was to reach 356.8 kilometers on the average.

    Normally, ISS goes down by 100-150 meters daily. That's about 3-5KM a month.

    Also, there are no Shuttles ready that could boost the orbit either, so the Russians are the ONLY method right now. I'm not sure how fast the Russians can send up another Progess if the one currently docked can't get the job done. This IS a serious risk to the station and crew, but it's not panic time.

  5. The sky is falling. by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

    That sucks, but I think someone is being a bit sensational. They have almost a year to correct this. They have a mission planned in two months, by that time it will still be at least 330km up. They have been that low before. Also, by your own link, it takes at least three weeks for the orbit to decay from 300km, I have seen others that say up to 3 months. Neither of those are "a matter of days".

  6. Re:In soviet Russia... by eln · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, they have the Soyuz capsules, which were first designed in the 1960s and are currently supplying the ISS because our own shuttles keep blowing up. There was also the Mir, which was falling apart toward the end but still lasted far beyond when its original specs said it would die.

    The Russians have had a lot of stuff blow up, but so have the Americans. They have also built a lot of really great technology that is in active use right now.

  7. Yes by everphilski · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are aproximately 4 scheduled Progress missions per year. 12 months divided by four = 3 months lead time.

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    1. Re:Yes by everphilski · · Score: 2, Informative

      Progress missions are unmanned resupply missions with 2 goals in mind: (1) restock ISS (2) boost ISS's orbit. They aren't hard to reconfigure and with a 9 month lead it won't be an issue. (i am an aerospace engineer).

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  8. Re:Skylab by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Skylab was also waiting for the shuttle to boost its orbit. The shuttle never made it.

  9. Re:Please explain for me by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 2, Informative

    Basically the reason is that as is, it's about as high as is practical for the shuttle to reach. Any higher and the effective cargo lift to it would be 0.

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  10. It's in the orbit it is in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    so that it can be serviced by both Russian Soyuz and Progress craft launched from Khazikstan, and the Shuttle from Florida.

  11. Re:Please explain for me by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why don't they have ISS in a higher orbit that won't decay as fast/often?

    Because then it would be in a higher orbit :-) Harder to reach, takes more fuel to carry heavy stuff up there, more interaction with the moon, etc. You typically want a human-occupied space station to be closer to the planet.

  12. Re:Please explain for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    ISS orbit is at a compromise altitude and angle that barely allows both the Shuttle and the Soyuz to arrive with cargo. In addition the maximum altitude is limited to about 500 km due to thats the lower limit of the Van Allen radiation belts. Loss of altitude is due to the drag effects of atomic oxygen at the that altitude.

    Frankly the station is a great candidate for the addition of ion thruster engines to help maintain altitude.

    Every additional item of structure added to the station ( solar panels, etc) causes extra drag. At this time if the station were to case orbital adjustment it would burn up in about 1 year.

  13. Progress missions are unmanned by everphilski · · Score: 2, Informative

    See subject. No astronaut training required at all. Progress missions are robotic resupply and ISS-boosting missions.

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  14. SM has Engines too! by Z-Knight · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is no problems...even with a Progress engine failure there are several backups, one of which is the Service Module engines that can be fired after the Progress is undocked.

  15. Re:They said I was daft by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Informative

    I figured on building it like any other spacecraft; you live inside the construction, not on the surface. Hence my interest in the density of the ISS. Those density measurements account for internal living space.

    But, yeah. At 1 au, you're inclined to fall toward the sun at 0.0059309 m / s^2.

    Me and a couple other guys have been playing around with other aspects. Things like, how do you keep it from collapsing?