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Ars Technica Vivisects A Video iPod

phaedo00 writes "The guys over at Ars Technica have put together another one of their infamous reviews. This time they tackle the video iPod and give it a proper review, complete with vivisection and a discussion of the guts." From the article: "It wouldn't be an Ars iPod review without a dissection (or in this case, a vivisection since the patient survived) and discussion. Talking about what changes were made on the exterior of the device is fine and well, but the real interesting stuff--to me anyways--is found within. As the old adage says, 'it's what's on the inside that counts.' With that, I'm dismantling this iPod in the name of science. All went well: I was able to put to back together and it's working fine." An interesting counter-point to previous coverage.

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  1. Vivisection... by br4dh4x0r · · Score: 4, Informative

    a vivisection since the patient survived

    Vivisection means you cut on a living animal. Not that it survived the process.

    Just sayin.

  2. Well.... by stunt_penguin · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... it may be working now, but I think they may have invalidated the warranty (^^)

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  3. Re:vivisection? by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ever heard of this thing called a metaphor?

    The iPod "survived" (literally meaning it still worked, not that it was ever a living creature), therefore they found it amusing to describe the process as a "vivisection." Get over it.

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  4. word choice by PresidentEnder · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, dissect is a synonym for "analyze," which in this case is appropriate; however, when we say dissect, we usually wish to evoke images of tissue and high school biology. The definition of dissect has no reference to anything dying. Vivisect, on the other hand, means "to cut a body open while still alive," which means that it has to be alive in the first place. Given that the video iPod was "dead" for a part of the procedure (can't run it while it isn't connected to battery, for example), dissect may be more appropriate. However, given that this is a gadget and not a living being, I would have chosen "disassembles" or "takes apart." Vivisect just sounds cool, though. That said, was anything learned that wasn't in apple's literature? Have we now any enjoyable hacks for the video iPod?

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    1. Re:word choice by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Funny

      The word you're looking for is iSect.

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  5. Re:In other news by Golias · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since they knew they were slashdotting the hell out of it, the least they could have done was include in the summary whether the battery leads are soldered in place (as with the nano) or on a nice easy-to-swap pin connection. It's really just about the only thing I'm remotely curious about regarding the new iPod.

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  6. Your browser's fault... by Animaether · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your browser should ignore the file extension and instead look at the content-type header.

    A la :
    cmd> GET /reviews/hardware/video-ipod.ars HTTP/1.0
    cmd> Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*
    cmd> User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; DigExt)
    cmd> Host: arstechnica.com

    hdr> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
    hdr> Connection: close
    hdr> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:00:44 GMT
    hdr> Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
    hdr> MicrosoftOfficeWebServer: 5.0_Pub
    hdr> X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
    hdr> X-AspNet-Version: 1.1.4322
    hdr> Cache-Control: private
    hdr> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
    hdr> Content-Length: 16964

  7. iPod nano review by WTBF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think that the stress testing in Ars technica's iPod nano review should be done on the video iPod as well. I clicked that link expecting to see an ipod getting run over and all I get is it being pulled to pieces.

    This is what I call a proper review.

  8. No firewire! by lidocaineus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I must've skimmed over that fact in all the previous video iPod announcements, so ignore this or mark redundant if you feel so inclined. Ars seems to attribute it to decreasing the amount of space needed for the FW chipset. I'm glad Apple's still working to decrease the size, and I KNOW it's not that vital... but losing firewire seems a little sad.

    Yes I know there's no rational reason for that (and they had good reasons to move on), but hey, there it is. Maybe it stems directly from my original experience with the 2G iPod (my first one) where you could just jam any old cable into the huge built in FW port on the device.

  9. iPod Video review at Designtechnica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review3298.html

    These guys actually posted their last night, worth a read too.

  10. Good job, submitter. by generic-man · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of fostering discussion about the Video iPod, in which I get to hear bitching that it doesn't play Xvid/Divx/Grand Ogg Tarkin, I get to hear semantics arguments about why the word "vivisection" is not appropriate. Boo.

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  11. Wait! You'll offend Dvorak! by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're making Dvorak cry!

    Can't you write about, I don't know, tabs in IE7 or something? Who wants to hear about the multi-billion selling iPod? Isn't there another Windows vulnerability you can write about? Maybe another non-functioning "PlayForSure" device or removed Vista feature that already exists in OS X?

    I knew it! You're clearly biased!

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  12. Perhaps of more interest to /. readers..... by 8127972 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ..... is the this Vivisection of an iPod complete with a cost breakdown of the components and an estimation of what Apple makes off of each iPod.

    https://jefferies.bluematrix.com/docs/pdf/31086.pd f

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    1. Re:Perhaps of more interest to /. readers..... by shawnce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course this isn't factoring in things like... shipping, labor, stocking, and the cut that retailers get.... as well as R&D costs.

      Apple is lucky to make 30%, more likely in the mid to low 20% on margins. Still impressive margins and ones so far supported by the market.

  13. Re:vivisection? by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
    my ipod isn't a living animal.

    What?!? You have insufficient love for your Apple product! Buy it a present right now and hope Steve will forgive you!

  14. Re:In other news by HushedTruth · · Score: 3, Informative

    it appears as if it is a ribbon cable or some sort, and should be easily replaced. At the very least, it's not soldered like the nano.

  15. Re:vivisection? by harvardian · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Just because the AC didn't know they were ramen doesn't make them any less dead."
     
    :-P

  16. There is no "video ipod" by csoto · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are the iPod, iPod nano and iPod shuffle. It just so happens that the biggest ones also play video.

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  17. Re:In other news by quibbs0 · · Score: 3, Funny
    I got this:

    Something broke

    Working on it
    This page brought to you by the number 273.

    Thanks 273!

  18. Re:vivisection? by lividdr · · Score: 5, Funny

    "iPods are people! They're people! Peeeeeeeeeeeee-ople!"

    Apologies to Charlton Hest...hey, waitaminute, my bad - no apologies required.

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  19. Something more useful... by ChrisF79 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They should take apart a PC. I've always wondered what's inside.

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  20. Re:Reference videos by rizawbone · · Score: 3, Funny
    Trying again to find an answer to this one.

    If anyone has an iPod with video please give this a try and let me know if it works.

    In QT Pro copy and paste a selection from a movie into a new movie. Save it as the smaller option at the bottom (Reference movie in QT7, it had a different name before). Then on the iPod test that both movies play fine. The reference is sort of like a bookmark into the other movie. I have a few thousand of these and the new iPod would be very useful if it supports this.

    Thanks.

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  21. Its not "video iPod" or "iPod video" by zwilliams07 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's just a fifth generation iPod with video. Video is not its primary function, if it was, then it'd be an iPod video. God damnit, people need to stop spreading misinformation on things.

  22. Re:No firewire is not a LITTLE sad... by badasscat · · Score: 5, Informative

    The performance difference is significant (at least 10%, and often more), and it goes up with bigger files, like video

    You would think that a video iPod would be the place you would definitely want Firewire, at least as an option.


    It would be nice to still have but you're making too big a deal out of it in this particular case.

    The iPod's video files are native 320x240 mpeg-4 files. You can go up to something like 480x480, I guess, and if you compress them yourself you can make them relatively huge (not that you'd want to; it'd just be a waste of space), but the point is that in absolute terms, these are not large video files. You could easily stream them over USB2 with no hiccups whatsoever. You could probably stream a dozen of them at a time if the iPod supported such a thing.

    But that's not the way the iPod works anyway. Now, I'm not 100% sure that the 5G iPod works the same as the 4G and previous models (I would assume it does), but you don't generally "stream" anything from the iPod to your PC. You *can*, depending on how you set up your sync preferences, but by default all of your iPod's contents will be greyed out because they're by definition just duplicated on the PC anyway. Probably 95% of iPod users have their systems set up this way, but the remaining 5% will have no trouble streaming video from the iPod over USB2.

    Generally, though, the PC connection is just used for syncing. And you don't need to do that more than about once a week, unless you really collect huge amounts of music and movies on a daily basis. So you're not going to notice any speed difference between USB and Firewire there.

    Now, if you just want to use the iPod as a mass-storage device for video (which you can also do), and store really high-res, high-def stuff on it (like a full-res .ts file from a high-def 1080i capture), then I don't know, but I'd still think USB2 could handle that. You're still only talking a 19.8mb/sec streaming rate. My wireless internet connection can handle that without a hiccup, so a wired USB2 connection shouldn't have any problem with it. (USB2's theoretical transfer rate is 480mb/sec, although with overhead included, in reality it's much lower.)

    What Firewire is primarily used for in terms of video is uncompressed, full-res professional stuff. We use it where I work, for example, to store media on portable drives for transport. That's where the advantages of Firewire really make themselves apparent; USB2 never really gets near its theoretical speed limit and it'll hiccup more and more as you get closer to it, but Firewire stays nice and smooth right up to around 400mbps (assuming you're using Firewire 400, which is what older iPods supported).

    But I can't see that anyone who uses the iPod as designed is going to have any problems with video. And nobody who really needs Firewire for video is going to be using an iPod in that capacity anyway; that video would be too important (and probably too big) to transport with anything but an industrial-strength full-size portable hard drive.

    I'm glad I have a Firewire-capable 4G iPod only because I can use the included firewire cable and charger that came with my iPod without having to rely on my PC if I don't need to sync. But I could live without it if I didn't have it, and the video on the new iPod's really got no relevance to the issue.

  23. Re:vivisection? by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder, how often does a vivisection end with the subject still alive?

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  24. Re:vivisection? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I dunno...hey, come check out my basement!

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  25. Re:In other news by Golias · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now that I've finally been able to RTFA, I see that you are correct. Removable battery. (Really small too... they must have ramped up power efficiency a few ways to get the extended life of this iPod.) Good news.

    Biggest bummer: They dropped FireWire support entirely. It's USB2 only. Probably to save space and power, not to mention money.

    Most important (to me) good news: It's the exact same width, so if I do end up buying one for some reason, it will fit in the same car-cradle as my current 3rd Gen model, with a tiny bit of padding to make up for lack of thickness. Needing to buy new accessories after moving up an iPod generatin or two is always a real buzz-kill.

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  26. Re:This is just a hunch by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except that most people are still getting 320x240 from their cable/satellite receiver over *coax* and don't seem to complain. As the reviewer mentioned, videophiles (like, evidentally, yourself) probably won't be satisfied, but for your average joe (like me), who likely doesn't even know what a composite cable is, it's probably sufficient.

  27. Clarification to article about widescreen by mr_zorg · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the article (page 4):

    The inclusion of a "Widescreen" option is puzzling, since the iPod cannot display video beyond 320x240 in h.264 and MPEG4 in 480x480. I'm not sure what benefit you'd get from changing this option. Perhaps this setting has something to do specifically with how widescreen televisions expect their video input, but since I live in SDTV land, I wouldn't know. I tried setting the widescreen option to "Yes" on my normal TV and it didn't seem to have any effect.

    Discounting HDTV, the "Widescreen" DVD's are still technically formatted at a 4:3 aspect ratio on the disc. The only difference is that video is "squished" down from the 16:9 widescreen ratio. Video material that is flagged as widescreen and sent to a widescreen TV will be "unsquished" by the TV and stretched back out to fill the screen without black bars. On a standard aspect tv, the playback device must do this unsquishing itself and add the black bars to bring it back to a 4:3 ratio. The purpose of this setting in the iPod is probably the same as it is in a DVD player -- to tell it whether it should pass the video and flag is is (Widescreen = yes), or unsquish, add the black bars, and strip the flag (Widescreen = no). On programming that already is the standard 4:3 ratio this will make no difference.