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Ships Turned Away As Aussie Customs' IT System Melts Down

An anonymous reader writes "Urgent shipments of medicine and goods for the holiday season have been turned away by customs officials due to a massive computer problem. The initial budget for the system upgrade was said to be A$80 million but has since blown out to A$250 million. Customs officials and the government have been forced to admit that they might actually have to revert to the old system if things don't improve. One cargo user said on national TV that he used to process 300 orders daily but the new system is so complex and unusable, he's happy if he can manage 100 orders per day. The system failure is expected to have a massive impact especially on the retail sector this Christmas."

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  1. The obvious question... by Caspian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What OS do they run?

    What software do they use?

    And how will their IT people and/or management continue to justify said choices in the wake of this?

    This is the sort of thing that needs "big iron". Machines that have uptimes measured in decades. Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that they're running it all on a bunch of commodity PCs (or the like) with off-the-shelf software?

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    1. Re:The obvious question... by fabs64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not knowing what they are using I can't exactly say you're wrong but I'd put good money on it that you are.
      The shipping yard they are talking about is huge, having upon hundreds of containers coming in weekly, I highly, highly doubt it is running with comodity user PC's as the backend.
      Also, the problem that is being cited as the reason is the complexity of the system, not that it's running extremely slow.

    2. Re:The obvious question... by fidoandfido · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am an aussie, and as far as I know the backend is all mainframe based, and the frontend is web based or something. Rumour has it the whole project was a cluster something or other from the outset - it was outsourced to the lowest bidder, poor requirements led to poor design, deadlines missed and another IT disaster. But too much spent now to cancel it.

    3. Re:The obvious question... by daern · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What OS do they run?

      Why does this matter? It's much more likely that the problems are down to poorly specified, poorly designed or poorly implemented software, which is by no means an exclusive preserve of Windows...

      Too many large scale software projects fail because of poor development methodologies and a failure to interact with users during development and when this happens, it's hardly surprising that the users don't like working with the new system.

    4. Re:The obvious question... by afd8856 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a feeling that all this "complexity" that they're talking about has nothing to do with the backend and has everything to do with the user front-end. They should have hired some good workflow and interface designers as well, not just expensive consultants.

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    5. Re:The obvious question... by KeensMustard · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you must "protest vote", lodge an invalid ballot - don't give people/parties (particularly crazy ones like the Greens) the idea you actually support them.



      Yes they sure have some mad ideas don't they, those Greens. Like :

      • Maybe , given that we are a nation of boatpeople, it's a bit silly to lock people up (or kill them) for coming here in a boat?

      • maybe, being a signatory to the UN Convention on Human rights obligates us in some way to uphold it, not sure how.

      • Given that the ancients used to salt the land of their conquered enemies so that they (the enemy) could not plant crops, it's not real smart of us to be salting OUR OWN LAND and also expecting to grow crops

      • Possibly, we can find a better use for 800 year old trees, rather than giving them (for free) to the japanese to make paper?
        OR

      • Maybe inviting criminals and enemies of democracy into the heart of our democracy and then lauding them like emperors is a little hyprocritical and embarassing


      Such crazy ideas

  2. The solution is... by bmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the AU government to let goods travel freely until they fix or bring up the old system. There really is no excuse for what is going on. Yes, that means that the AU government doesn't get its cut of taxes but them's the breaks. The money lost from import fees would be DWARFED compared to the lossess incurred by *not* letting goods through the ports.

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    1. Re:The solution is... by ftoomch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And those incurred losses from *not* letting goods through would in turn be DWARFED compared to the long term economic havoc in a largely agricultural economy caused by pests and diseases (e.g. foot & mouth disease) that are also let through on unchecked goods.

    2. Re:The solution is... by csirac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As an Australian, when I hear "customs" I think: disease and pest control (our single biggest export is primary industries), drug detection, and general enforcement of importation restrictions (this includes import/export of endangered/restricted species, banned or restricted weapons, etc).

      "Oh yeah, they get import duty tax too..."

      For what its worth, what little I've purchased overseas (FPGAs, LCDs and microcontrollers) has never been slugged with import duty, even on a $9000 AUD order from the UK. I guess you have to be dealing with whole shipping containers of stuff instead of loose freight items..

    3. Re:The solution is... by lamasquerade · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Largely agricultural economy? Maybe in 1900. Well I'm not quite sure what classifies as 'largely', but given these stats, I'd say Australia's economy is minimally agricultural. 3.7% to be exact. And the government subsidises that heavily (explicitly because of politics, and implicitly through idiotic short-sightedness, such as cheap-as-hell water for rice farmers, that's right, rice in the second dryest continent on earth). Some say the subsidies outweigh the real contribution to our economy. Maybe the best thing for us would be to have this sector destroyed, then we can get to cleaning up the mess they've created over the last two centuries, such as salination.

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  3. Amazing. by JavaRob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm no grizzled guru by any means, but damn, I know by now that though it *may* seem cheaper to upgrade all in one fell swoop, you're gonna get hosed every time. The bigger the system, the more likely, just because there's no way you can *test* the thing at that scale.

    Software is *complicated*. Large-scale software rollouts are even *more* complicated, just because now you've involved hundreds or thousands of non-debuggable, unpredictable people into the equation. No matter how many meetings you have about it, no matter how many different people assure you that they will do "whatever it takes" to make sure it goes smoothly, keep in mind that they probably don't have "what it takes", which would often be some kind of deity-level power.

    Let's look now at the "largest e-government projects ever undertaken", introduced "despite industry protests that Customs had not allowed them ample time for the changeover." It's not hard to guess how it's going to go.

    Sometimes, you gotta go the slow way... replace the old system bit by bit, make sure you can flip the switch back every step of the way if something goes wrong. At the very least you have to plan it from the start so that you can roll out piecemeal, just in one site, or run the old/new in parallel, etc..

    This method results in a more expensive *estimate* at the start of the project. But the actual *cost* in the end can be much, much lower.

    Just my 2c...

  4. Mod Parent Up... by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Funny how to the state, free commerce isn't an option, but blowing $250 million that isn't even yours on a computer system that doesn't work is okay.

    "Your papers, citizen! Whoops, my citizen-authorization-scanner just went dead. You'll have to be detained while I get fresh batteries. Oh, and that'll cost $10 - batteries aren't free, you know."

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  5. The Real Problem by Grail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real problem with this system is that it used the principle of "Big Design Up Front". Ask Joel Spolsky about the benefits of "Big Design Up Front" - you get to make all kinds of assumptions about the environment to simplify development, then find when you turn on the switch that this $80M system just doesn't work right.

    The little things that get you down? Oh... date formats, validating input, units for measurement, using a communications system intended for overnight batch operations to support real-time interactive operations.

    As other posters have mentioned, the bid that got the nod was the lowest one. The bid that should have received the goahead was the one that recommended incremental changes. The one that recommended introducing a new means for handling import declarations - and not cutting over, but rather letting the old one die the natural death of user migration.

    The final nail in the coffin was Customs insisting that more detail be included in these reports - no longer can you submit 300 reports in a day saying that what you're importing is "1 Box of parts", you actually have to specify what the parts are and how many are in the box - I suspect this is what is causing the problem as the system rejects "invalid" submissions and forces the importers to rework and resubmit their import declarations.

  6. Re:Can I gloat or do I have to be embarrassed? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I just can't stand it when they don't post whether it's a windows-based or a unix/linux-based implementation.

    How about...'it doesn't matter'.

    This is probably the result of a crappy design, with little interaction between the developers and the eventual users.

    It does what it was designed to do. The problem is the design and implementation does not match what it NEEDS to do.

  7. Re:Don't you love Federal/State point scoring... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The problems experienced in part, flow from inaccurate and incomplete information being submitted by some users, which the new system is designed not to accept for security reasons

    Operators of systems (whatever they are) look forward to new software so that they can change operational procedures. When the new system comes on line people blame the new system for their problems, when they may be partly a consequence of the modified processes.

    IMHO new systems should aim to be initially funtionally neutral to the end user. Process changes should come in once the new system has been debugged and accepted.

  8. Re:From an Australian by B747SP · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I say hope, because if the ministers think that stockpiling this drug will atually help in a pandemic they are more than likely mistaken

    The drug companies have quite successfully pwned the tabloid newsmedia in Australia (and I suspect in plenty of other places on the planet) to the extent that every time they feel the need for an injection of cash, they prime the tabloids (newspapers, today tonight, current affair, sixty minutes and all of the similarly unreliable sources) with rumours of an outbreak of something-or-other, then it's all hands on the cash registers as the general public launches into a flurry of panic over whatever is $biohazard of the month.

    The best known of the recent efforts has been the meningitis scare here in Australia. The tabloid press/radio/tv has worked the public into a lather, and the drug companies are laughing all the way to the bank. Somehow the bit where the death rate from meningitis and related diseases is exactly the same this year as it was the year before and the year before that while (1) { and the year before that } seems to have been conveniently ignored.

    The connection back to the politicians is, of course, that there's nothing a politician likes more than a plethora of panicked punters to pacify, and that's exactly what's happening right now.

    What should the thinking Australian do right now? Buy pharmaceutical shares, that's what!

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  9. Concept I almost always see overlooked by OpenSourced · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They say that in a few years a human-engineered microorganism will be created with a selected set of genes. All very well, and I suppose that won't be released into the wild. But I bet that if they ever do it (release it into the wild), it'll last about 5 minutes against its evolution-designed competitors and generally hostile environment.

    The same happens to the IT systems. Legacy systems may be old (how can software be old, anyway?), incompatible, user-unfriendly, and whatever else. But a basic fact so often overlooked is that they have for many years been adapting (or rather being adapted) to their environment (users, other programs, etc). If you look at legacy code you always find odd-looking "if's" with comments like "It must do this to work", or "The other program expects it that way", or no comment at all. The point is that all this spaguetti code has beed polished, adapted and perfected by the work of programmers guided by the reality, as opposed to designers guided by their own desires and incomplete knowledge of the problem.

    So the point is that _all_ scratch designed systems will lose all that ancient knowledge embedded into the code, and there is nothing you can do about it (inspecting all the code would be impossible, and the knowledge can sometimes be into OS parameters, shell scripts, scraps of paper with procedures in the drawers of remote users, or even in the brains of world-scattered users) So the only thing to do is to have it into account when designing a new system of some complexity, and knowing that it will take you like a year at least of real running till it's at the same level of functionality as the old. So probably you'll need a year of overlaping systems (perish the thougth).

    When presented with that reality most managers will think again if they really need the new system, and at least will be prepared for the problems ahead.

    But of course that might not sell the new system, so who's interested in telling those truths to management. Certainly not the seller's marketing dept, their concealing habilities much helped by the fact that they are themselves blissfully unaware of the problem.

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  10. Well, yes.. by musakko · · Score: 2, Insightful
    all of the software you just mentioned is such expensive, proprietary software for systems I'll never possibly manage that I have no real idea what's going on with this IT disaster.

    I love open source software too, but isn't the budget blowout on this (triggered by scope creep etc. like most projects) going to be the cost of services (ie. people), rather than the software itself? If anything, it would be harder to find enough people skilled up OSS people in Australia and that would make the project cost even higher than with proprietry systems.

    This Customs IT project is definately a disaster, but I haven't seen too many stories about open source projects on a similar scale that have been under budget and on time to balance it out. Anyone got stories/sites out there about OSS large-scale project success stories? I need ammo to convince my boss on some upcoming work :)

  11. And his cabinet colleagues by ynotds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a closely related current issue federal Agriculture Minister Peter McGauran displayed the scientific illiteracy so recently evident in more governments than ours by getting all in a tizz about some Canadian pigeons that flew in ahead of the customs slow down only to be discovered to have viral antibodies but not live viruses and be sentenced to immediate death for having beaten the dreaded avian flu or, in four cases, Newcastle disease.

    If only we could do the same to politicans carrying antibodies, let alone their sick computer systems.

    Better not think about juxtaposing the importation of pigeons from the other side of the world with the wish of local authorities to wipe out the feral pigeons already settled in here.

    Don't worry, it gets worse. Just check out the support for teaching "intelligent design" from the general practitioner our over-tired and under-opposed federal government have given responsibility for education.

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    1. Re:And his cabinet colleagues by Bush+Pig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nelson has absolutely no intellectual integrity. After all, to get his doctor degree, he must have studied some science, including biology, and yet he's comfortable with creationism being given equal time with science as an alternative explanation for life as we know it.

      It almost makes me ashamed to be Australian.

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    2. Re:And his cabinet colleagues by sumdumass · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Whats wrong with creationism being given equal time with science as an alternative explanation for life as we know it? I mean as far as i know it just describes the begining of time and the rest fit perfectly well into any evolution therory. Maybe a difference in time line but it is just as far streatched as there being nothing, then out of nothign came gasses form somewere, then a big bang from something else, then in some process or another from that the planets were formed, cooled, somehow managed to develope water and enough other neccesary resources to support life, then another spark of energy landed into a mudpuddle and eventualy what grew out of it (or it's ancestor) is you and me.

      Now the only disputable evidence we can find is the time line between then and now as well as a missing link to were humans actualy branched from. Evolution is saying we think we are related to apes or monkey because we are so geneticaly close but we cannot find anythign to prove it. Creationist say there is no link between us and monkeys because we cannot find one and we have a book thats supposed to be thoughsands of years old, (translated into many different languages so many times that we might not even be ready the right text) told us so.

      From early man to modern man can be traced in accordance with both lines of thought with an exception of a timeline. if nothign else it might be taught as a social science aspect to describe how people used to think and give understanding of why some recorded event took place. nothign wrong with that?

    3. Re:And his cabinet colleagues by drsmithy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Whats wrong with creationism being given equal time with science as an alternative explanation for life as we know it?

      Because it's not science.

      Creationism should certainly be discussed - but in a religion or philosophy class, where it belongs, not in a science class.

  12. Re:Christmas in Austraila a problem this year? by MavEtJu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wonder if the person who modded this as a troll has ever seen the idiot scenes of Santa CLauses running around in heavy red costumes, with a full white beard and hat included, while everybody else is trying to move and to wear as least as possible because of the heat.

    Or hearing people sing songs about snow and dark winter nights while it's +40 `C...

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  13. Re:Maybe it's users making it not to work by Mahler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Users are part of the equation. If your new system does not improve upon the old situation, regardless of what the user's reaction is.. you have failed.

  14. Customs needed new servers by Spit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    after EDS let their old mainframes walk out the door.

    Is it a big suprise that EDS fucked the upgrade as well?

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  15. Too many cooks spoil the broth ? by bearave · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From figures in Customs' CMR: what it is and what it does, the system adds about $A200 per container or passenger movement. Luckily, this is being picked up by Australian taxpayers, not the importers or exporters :-)

    The article also answers other posters questions about the platform it was delivered on. Certainly no cheap linux stuff used here !

    But really interesting is this:

    A number of service providers were retained to develop and implement systems: Computer Associates' consortium with Kaz, IOCORE and NCR for applications, IBM for professional services (and some hardware and software under its arrangement with Customs outsource partner EDS), BeTrusted ( now Cybertrust )for PKI software and services for the Customs Connect Facility (CCF) "gateway", Novell for identity management and directory services software, and VeriSign for GateKeeper

    With so many cooks in the kitchen, shouldn't problems be expected ? How could you ever figure which one can is responsible for the mess now emerging ?

    Open-source projects sometimes have more cooks, but could the commercial agendas in a closed source project with patents etc.,. destroy the synergies ?

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  16. Re:Maybe it's users making it not to work by jtcm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Users will make sure it fails. I have seen that many times.

    On one hand, I can completely understand that reluctance to change. Users of complex systems that have a steep learning curve can be particularly recalcitrant.

    On the other hand, if you truly do "have a 100% working new system, with a 1000% improvement over the old system", then users will most certainly be excited and eager to use it.

    Wait, let me try that again...I think I had it backwards.

    If your users are not excited, or at least willing to use the program, then you do not have a product that is 1000% improvement. Even more important, though, is that the lack of user satisfaction should not be a surprise! End-users are a very important part of the development cycle. They are the ones you are developing for, and if they have no input during the design and development and testing of the software then don't be surprised when you get a thumbs-down on release day.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that if a program fails from user reluctance or rejection, then it is not the user's fault, but rather the developer who has failed.

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  17. a lot of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Design detail in the 19,000 pages of analysis for ICS includes 800 screens, 16,000 business rules, 70 complex business messages, 850 database tables, 3700 executable load modules, 1800 CICS transaction types, 55 batch jobs, 90 reports and 35 system interfaces."

    That is $13k per page of design document. Even if you through in a couple of mainframes and a lot of spaghetti code, it still doesn't sound reasonable to me. It is sad to see how goverment tax money is always mismanaged like this.

    Anybody notice the careerone advertisement on the sidebar about an open CIO position. Unfortunately it was unrelated with the story.

  18. Re:Can I gloat or do I have to be embarrassed? by zakath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Aside from the feeling I get that parent was being humorous, I'm sure you've noticed the 'what OS are they running' posts in this story. You know damn well there's lots of slashbois salivating at the idea this might be a .NET/SQL Server/XP on IIS system so they can blame MS while ignoring the fact bad systems can be developed on any platform.

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  19. I know, I know. by QMO · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look, I know you're just a troll, but I have to ask anyway:

    You say: "It was disproven long ago. There is NO CREATOR, and there never was."

    I'm very curious about the when, where, who and how of that proof.
    Do you have links or references? Can you explain the proof to me?

    I ask because I have never before heard anyone claim that there is PROOF of the nonexistence of a Creator before.

    (I have heard many people say that there is no proof of the existence of a Creator, but I hope you see the difference.)

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  20. Re:Don't you love Federal/State point scoring... by Daytona955i · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The problems experienced in part, flow from inaccurate and incomplete information being submitted by some users, which the new system is designed not to accept for security reasons,"

    This to me sounds like a design problem. They didn't consult the users and now things aren't working right. If the users say that they always have information X but they don't always have information Y, if the designers make information Y a requirement, then it's a poorly designed system.

  21. failures like these should be explained by yagu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When large new systems like this one wreak this much havoc, I think lessons learned need to be disseminated to the entire industry.

    I've seen many interesting posts about why Australia failed in this new system, but it's mostly conjecture. They should (and I'm guessing, will) conduct a deep and thorough post-mortem and find out what went wrong, down to the lines of code, scheduling decisions, rollout decisions, etc.

    And (here's the controversial part) they should provide every single document to the public.

    When projects gone amok have international impacts like this one why can't the rest of the industry learn from the mistakes by having access to the post-mortem. Involved companies want to maintain control of their Intellectual Propert, but in cases like this, EVERYTHING should be made public. Actually at this point companies involved really aren't protecting IP, but would be hiding behind that canard to deflect the embarrassment of public scrutiny.

    Many similar failures wrought similar havoc. Denver International Airport (DIA) spent millions (don't remember exact numbers, but I'm guessing it was in the $100's of millions) of dollars for their dramatically failed automatic baggage handling system. Today DIA not only handles baggage the old fashioned way (carts and tow-tractors), they have to do it through too-small tunnels not designed for the task because of the hubris of the project they wouldn't need to.

    So, for now, all we have is conjecture from government officials and slashdotters, one demographic of which already shows some deep insights and possible explanations. But that's all we have.

    I hope cause and effect is investigated, and I hope the IT industry gets the opportunity to understand the failures and learn from them.