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Free or Open Source ITIL Tools?

alister writes "Like a lot of people, I've completed an ITIL (what's that?) Foundation Certificate and am looking to put it into practice. Picking the right tool for an ITIL implementation makes life a lot easier, but I can't find many around. I'm wondering if there are any free or open source software that helps an ITIL implementation, or if not, recommendations on a tool for a medium-sized (40 IT staff, 1200 users) organisation. There's a lot of software out there, but most of it is designed for organisations with hundreds of IT staff... and priced accordingly."

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  1. Brown nosing. by Seumas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like people who do things and get things done.

    I despise people who spend all of their time developing, re-developing, refining or recreating standards, policies, mission statements, or anything else. There is so much money wasted on a lot of silly organizational ISO adherance and Six Sigma crap that people would be just better implementing a policy of "get shit done and do it right". Besides, as soon as you're done implementing... whatever... some other brown noser will want to make a name for himself within the organization by tearing down the current/last strategy and creating his own. It's what they do.

    1. Re:Brown nosing. by vwjeff · · Score: 1

      ...people would be just better implementing a policy of "get shit done and do it right".

      Today, October 21, 2005, marks the beginning of a new era for my company. The "get shit done and do it right" era is here and now.

      You should seriously consider writing a book and selling it to the HR asshats. Just today I had to sit in a meeting and listen to the same "we need to focus on the objective, people. You are all important members of the team."

      Perhaps during our next "brainstorming" session (aka, nap time) I will introduce the new "get shit down and do it right" policy. I'm sure it will over well.

    2. Re:Brown nosing. by gregh76 · · Score: 1

      Like it or not, it has to be done. Why? Because your competitors do it and your customers expect it. Nobody says you have to like it. I have yet to personally encounter people or a situation where it prevented me from getting shit done and getting it done right.

    3. Re:Brown nosing. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Last week, every employee in my company (about 40,000 strong) got a self-published book from the CEO entitled "WHAT WE MUST DO". It was 50 pages. I'm not totally clear, still, what we must do. It was mostly a bunch of feel good pipe dreams. On the positive side, the binding glue smells really good. I kept several copies so that when one wears out, I'll have plenty of glue-sniffing goodness remaining.

    4. Re:Brown nosing. by platypus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ITIL and similar standards are important. For instance Service Management - "keep shit running" if you prefer - is important since for nearly every company your Service Mgmt. Processes (not Tools, this is just the second step) have to interface to external partners.
      One thing is that therefore, there needs to some kind of commonality. Beginning with a certain size of operations on either side, "just call the IT guy" doesn't cut it anymore. You have Service Level Agreements, first, second, third level support structures etc. etc.
      Another point, believe it or not, there is a huge amount of unnecessary downtime in companies because some guy changes stuff (e.g. firewall or router configs), taking down something he doesn't even know exists, and causes a bunch of unrelated guys chasing the source of the problem.
      This is because they didn't organize their processes in a good way. ITIL gives a blueprint on how you would do is, and hopefully avoids a commitee of theorists in each company reinventing the wheel (just worse) again and again.

    5. Re:Brown nosing. by superid · · Score: 1
      I'm printing this out in 72pt font or larger and putting it on my office wall monday.

      After TQM a few years ago (SPC was moderately successful), followed by a full on assault of CMMi, I'm now living through "Lean". Lean has tied up 20 people for a week, with 3 consultants to identify 10 things that will allegedly save $100k in 1 year if we successfully implement them. By a conservative estimate, we spent $40k to identify these potential savings that I cynically do not think will happen.

    6. Re:Brown nosing. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I am not inherently against having a company standard. What I'm against is the continual changing of standards which don't improve anything within the company, but succeed in bringing executive attention to said brown noser. If you're going to have a new standard or philosophy every 24 months, what's the point?

      Six Sigma, ITIL and all of these other countless "programs" that executives are in love with are a lot like all of the twelve step programs and self help programs that new agers are also in love with. Someone stumbles into the new buzzword corporate twelve step program and manages to talk all the other suckers into it to "improve" things. The brown noser just wants credit; doesn't really care about anything else. Likewise, there's always those few friends that get into things like being a breatharian and refusing to eat food, because they think they can live off sunlight and air. And they convince a few other gullible twits to go along with it. I see little difference between the two, except one is adopted and forced on an entire corporation.

      IF you go through four of these renovations in less than a decade and you spend a couple million bucks on the consulting to do it each time, plus the cost of dedicating certain employees and committees to implement it, redesign internal tools and practices to adhere to your knew plan, then days and weeks writing up documentation and graphs and charts and flowcharts to obey and then waste several days each time putting every employee through a training program... what have you accomplished? And if the first three programs didn't work, what makes you think wasting all of your money and time on a fourth will?

      Just the training alone for the lower level employees is absurdly expensive. Figure 50,000 employees who have to set aside four entire days of work. That's 200,000 lost days in the company. Try making that loss up to your customers!

    7. Re:Brown nosing. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      There is so much money wasted on a lot of silly organizational ISO adherance and Six Sigma crap that people would be just better implementing a policy of "get shit done and do it right".

      You need competent people to do that. ISO exists largely to keep incompetent people from "doing stupid shit", to continue your vernacular. Competent people often see this for what it is and leave for other companies, further compounding the problem.

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  2. Good Luck by kelleher · · Score: 5, Interesting
    All the people I worked with that pushed ITIL spent their time wasting mine in meetings, producing little and scampering around with the latest "cool" vendor. I'd be surprised if someone with an opensource leaning would be taken in by ITIL or if someone taken in by ITIL would produce something opensource. I'm just glad it died a quiet death at my place of employment.

    Before you mod this a troll, go read up on ITIL. On the surface it doesn't look bad, but the extremes the consultants can push it to are ludicrous. And the consultants almost always will...

    1. Re:Good Luck by Seumas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'll probably still get modded as a troll.

      There are people who make up for lack of skills and competance by basing their entire careers around starting company initiatives to adhere to something or other. Employees laugh and get frustrated that the process and policies and standards the last brown-noser made them spend days and hours and dollars learning and testing on last year is being replaced by yet another new one (and a new set of tools again) by yet another new brown-noser this year - and the full knowledge that, come next year, they'll be bending to the whim of yet another brown noser trying to make a name in the company with his higher-ups by establishing yet another set.

    2. Re:Good Luck by blincoln · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed.

      A few years ago at work they started a big push to ITIL-ize and CMM-ify everything. From my perspective, nothing has changed except I have to fill out a bunch of absolutely useless paperwork to do anything, and every once in awhile I have to log into the vile abomination known as PVCS Dimensions.

      It doesn't seem to be about actually *improving* anything - e.g. making it less likely that mistakes will happen - just about making it *appear* like it has by producing a bunch of electronic paperwork that no one reads.

      The tools you use are less important than how you use them. Everything I've seen of ITIL makes me think that its goal is to try and change the tools, not the thought process behind what they're being used for.

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    3. Re:Good Luck by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its like anything else... in the right hands, any tool can fuck up its intended task.

      ITIL is an interesting way of running a good IT shop; you'll probably find that a good IT department runs ITIL-like processes without the high dollar consultants or outrageous software implementations.

      IT managers would get alot of value out of reading and understanding applicable parts of ITIL instead of paying some goofball consultant $200/hr to make work for the staff.

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    4. Re:Good Luck by Nik13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Same here... We were using a simple web app I had made ages ago but that still served the purpose well. It had all the customer/trouble ticket info, priorities, deadlines, etc - just nothing like escalation and stuff we never have used to this day, even with our ITIL solutions...

      We've installed, tested and have been demo'ed various ITIL solutions, each uglier than each other. In general, the more features they had [that we didn't need], the uglier, clunkier and bloated the interface became. I remember one heavy Java web app that only worked with IE and had all kinds of frames with scrollers in both directions and no means of navigating it that made any sense... After an hour of watching them do stuff, I still had no f'n idea what was where or any of the basics (it was so bad that we're still laughing at it as of today). I has been rather time consuming to find the app, and even the one we have now isn't exactly great IMHO (we ended up with Remedy - it was pretty much forced onto us). As part of this test process, we've tried just about anything we could find on the web - including open source stuff from sourceforge (or anything that ressembled it), and we didn't find anything really outstanding (much less anything using the ITIL model with customizations or anything like that).

      Now we pretty much have to turn away users coming for quick help (90% of the problems) and tell them to call the helpdesk instead. It's frustrating to them to have to call unecessarily for something trivial, and it is also somewhat frustrating to us. I'd much rather take care of it right now than wait till they call the helpdesk, that a trouble ticket is created and everything (sometimes it takes well over an hour before I hear from that person again, if they even bother at all).

      All this in the name of being able to analyze all the stuff we're forced to type. You never know, printers running out of toner and such could be something common, and this precious data will enable them to identify these common things (funny how nothing's ever been identified like that so far).

      The only good thing I've seen about this is sometimes a work order tends to be delayed for some reason (lazyness or otherwise), and this may force you to act on it sooner, but overal, 99.9% of the time it's just annoying and useless overhead. It's costed us many, many thousands in licenses, and we had to hire people to man the helpdesk, get some workstations for them and somewhere to work (office space, furniture, etc). We're not one bit more productive than before, tickets don't generally speaking get handled faster, people aren't one bit happier about support, managers aren't happier, ...

      At some point they had managed to make me believe it would be a good thing, but so far it still only has been a pain in the butt.

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    5. Re:Good Luck by pisdtal · · Score: 1

      Are you doing road runner tech support? I used to work for them and they really didnt want us to do tech support, they just wanted us to have call times of 18 mins or less when I got hired, when I left it was 12 mins. Even if we knew how to fix the problem, if they werent using IE or Outlook Express on widows or mac, we couldnt help them, and I was a mac user using netscape I cant remeber what email app I was running(god Im old) but it wasnt outlookexpress *shudder* it was whatever was popular on a mac in 98-99. I really really miss my 400 Mhz blue and white G3

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    6. Re:Good Luck by TheLoneGundam · · Score: 1

      Employees should demand to see the Help Desk statistics (in summary form) and demand that an audit be done regularly to determine if the statistics have ANY relation to reality, AND if they're being used by the PHBs. Often the information-gathering is dumped on us ("you simply MUST categorize that toner problem as to which printer vendor supplied the printer") but no one creates or reads the statistics at all, other than to check to make sure that the grunts are filling in all of the boxes. A fun hack (but it could get you in trouble, plus I stole this idea from somewhere in Computer Lib/Dream Machines) - try putting F*CK into some of the fields - you'll DEFinitely know if they're reading the things then!

  3. Rule for good technical writing by Will_Malverson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never use an acronym without defining it. Telling someone they can look it up doesn't count.

    1. Re:Rule for good technical writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer to make up my own (I)diot (T)ards (I)gnoring (L)ogic

    2. Re:Rule for good technical writing by Dem_Gnomes · · Score: 1

      If you don't know, you don't have much of a useful opinion to offer. Go pollute another thread.

    3. Re:Rule for good technical writing by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Yeah, that whole acronym thing threw me, too - even the link didn't clear it up until I really started reading it carefully. Your suggestion is spot on.

      Regarding your "speaker pop" problem, I did some some checking and thinking. Googling "audigy speaker pop" led to some interesting links - yours is not the only system. This kind of thing is actually a common issue in the audiophile community, you might do some checking there - all kinds of solutions have been created. You might find such a solution at a place like MCM Electronics or such.

      One of the links I found had a comment suggesting isolating the PC power supply from the speaker power supply by plugging them into separate surge protectors. I would even suggest separate electrical circuits if that is possible (likely isn't - but your situation and home layout may be different). Another comment suggesting putting in-line with the Audigy signal outputs capacitors to filter out the pop. I believe a similar system is used in car audio to filter out spark-plug noise issues, as well as in preventing "thump" from speakers when the car audio system is first turned on (only a real problem in high-power systems where the "thump" can ruin a set of expensive subs or something).

      I hope you find this information useful, and good luck with your problem!

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  4. Misuse of such tools by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Informative

    ITIL, Six-Sigma, and PMBOK are all tools. Unfortunately they are also words that can be used on the uninformed into thinking something else is of value by virtue of its association with one of the above.

    Basically the pushers and consultants were committing an association fallacy.

  5. Well... I clicked on the links... by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1
    Whatever it is, it doesn't sound very pro-open source. It doesn't even render properly under Mozilla, so I still don't have a clue what it's about. If they can't even get a tiny bit of HTML to follow the standards, then what use it this thing?

    (Admittedly I'm running on a CRT at 1600x1200 with a largeish font, but still...)

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    1. Re:Well... I clicked on the links... by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      It isn't you. Their "HTML" isn't HTML at all. It's dog shit.

      As you say, how can I take "IT experts" who can't even produce actual HTML seriously?

      -Peter

  6. ITIL == IT Infrastructure Library by Bravo_Two_Zero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Our new IT ops director came from a place with well-defined practices and policies. We're really just a few steps from the wild, wild west, but with SOx controls. I think he sees ITIL as a Rosetta Stone of processes so that a handful of silos can't hold the business hostage. In that context, I understand it. I can't say I agree with it fully, but I can try to meet him halfway.

    Fortunately, he's not the sort to let consultants come in and manage us. My (barely informed) opinion of ITIL is that it's a lot like butter, sun or beer... it's fine in moderation. Few things work well in unmanaged excess.**

    ** So help me, if I have one more vendor ask me "are you considering server consolidation," I will lose my ever-loving mind.

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    1. Re:ITIL == IT Infrastructure Library by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

      So help me, if I have one more vendor ask me "are you considering server consolidation," I will lose my ever-loving mind.

      Give it a few more years. Everything's cyclical.

      Virtual machines on mainframes -> loosely-coupled PCs -> virtual machines on "mainframe-class" servers with thin clients

      Locked-down IBM/DEC vendor procedures -> no procedures -> ITIL.

      I can't wait to see what the next cycle brings. :)

  7. More/alternate info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can also get some sort of overview at http://www.itil-itsm-world.com, though a lot of the "meat" requires you to purchase their documents.

    I started reading the overview (work-related), and let me just say it's one of the BEST somnambulents around.

    Having dodged the ISO9001 bullet, and having been through the throes of CMM (before there was a CMMi), I can completely understand the skepticism that ITIL's being greeted with around here. Like anything else of this ilk, it's really really easy to go overboard to the point where it's useless. However, I'm hopeful I can reign in my manager and his boss to the point where we take the good (like examining what we currently do, and putting effort into what we should but don't), while avoiding the bad (like months of meetings everyone sleeps through and paperwork that no one ever reads).

    The fact of the matter is that the higher-ups are hearing more and more about ITIL, and so it WILL eventually be coming down the pipe to those of us that will have to implement or live with it. And even though there's currently no free (beer/speech) or open source software that does everything, a lot of tools out there already do support at least some aspects of ITIL. The trick is to know how to tie them together, or at least use each for those aspects of ITIL to which they're suited.

    1. Re:More/alternate info by Glamdrlng · · Score: 1

      Where ITIL has its place is to direct IT leadership that have gotten distanced from technology and/or haven't kept up wtih things since their days as a tech.
       
      Besides keeping management in line, ITIL (or any other methodology) forces techs to document their setups and procedures, something many of us aren't good at (or just don't like to do it).

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  8. Wiki by CXI · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now that a few posts have better describe what you are asking for (a documentation library), can't you just use a wiki? Does this magical ITIL acronym require something more complex to match it's buzzword nature?

    1. Re:Wiki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really.

      You need decent workflow and it has to be setup to follow your organisations structure properly, nice 'click to sign off' on documents etc all make it work more smoothly.

      There are some really nice ideas in ITIL, like taking out a 'contract' for a person to perform a task, eg; "Dave will you agree to maintain this server, keeping it current and monitoring all resources" and you sign for it.

      Everyone sees your real work load, there is no shirking of responsibility and you know exactly what your meant to do at a job.

      Of course you can take it to extremes and run round in circles doing procedures forever without actually working.

      If done properly (and when is anything ever done properly) it can force those nasty developer types to stop taking shortcuts and do proper QA (every organisation has at least a few) or be appropriatly crucified.

      Its like socialism or any other 'ideal'; in a perfect world, where people are sensible and are altruistic it works brilliantly; anywhere else and people screw up a perfectly good idea.

  9. In-house is the only place you should be looking. by jhoffoss · · Score: 1
    Seeing as all the comments thus far are contributing nothing other than to bash ITIL/CMM/Six-Sigma/etc, I'll give a weak stab at this.

    Google: itil "open source"

    Now stop and determine what your goal is, what you want to accomplish by implementing ITIL. *Then* go looking for software solutions, or develop one in-house. Looking for a piece of software to drop ITIL, COBIT, or any of those other IT risk/product management frameworks leads you to a line of vendor gas-bags who have no idea what the framework is actually there for.

    I'm not specifically familiar with ITIL, but I am going to assume it's similar to COBIT. In this light, you should be able to pick one or two of your organization's largest risks as identified by your ITIL assessment, and work to solve those problems first. There is not now, nor will there ever be, a project that will make your organization "ITIL Compliant" without more work on your behalf than your vendors & contsultants, etc. You (as an individual who will have to live with this, and as a company) will be better off if you approach this project with an understanding of what ITIL is, what it will give you, and what your risks are. Forget consultants. This is especially important because you're trying to use an enormous enterprise tool for a medium-sized business.

    All that said, one guy I've talked to that may or may not know crap (I've no idea, as I didn't talk long)but had a strong interest in compliance via open source tools can be found at tosta.org.

    Good luck.

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  10. Re:In-house is the only place you should be lookin by jhoffoss · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I apologize, it looks like TOSTA isn't so much worth anything. The guy talked up something totally different than is on their webpage. Forget I added that link.

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  11. ITIL and the like by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    I'll bet you won't find anything for free, but believe it or not, Microsoft bases its Operations Fraework (MOF) loosely on ITIL. Here's the overview: Microsoft Operations Framework.

    It's not the end-all of systems management, but it's a whole lot better than no guidance at all. I'm still surprised at the skill level of some Windows system administrators...I thought the whole dotcom thing was shaking out most of them.

    I'm far from a "grizzled old veteran", but I've been expsed to IT since the early 80s and have studied and worked on systems that are much older. Large-installation machines like the VAX/VMS and mainframe world revolved around procedures, which is one of the reasons uptime is so high compared to the commodity server world. ITIL tries to frame up those procedures into a usable model, and it mostly does a good job. The big problem, as mentioned by others in this thread, is that one of these things tend to happen: (1) No one buys into the "new order" and circumvents everything, making the whole ITIL thing a useless layer of paperwork, (2) One of the consulting companies gets their paws on your CIO. Your company then spends 7 figures on EDS/IBM/Accenture/ "consultants" who are "IT operations experts" that just graduated from college. (Have I seen this before? Naah. :-))

    Actually, that's a pretty cynical view. Just be careful about screening anyone or any company/tool you bring in to help you out.

  12. Good Luck-Consultants: The new demons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Before you mod this a troll, go read up on ITIL. On the surface it doesn't look bad, but the extremes the consultants can push it to are ludicrous. And the consultants almost always will..."

    That's why we should get rid of the Sarbanes-Oxley act. Damn consultants.

  13. another bizfad ! oh GOODY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from the linked article what's that?
    "The ethos behind the development of ITIL is the recognition that organisations are becoming increasingly dependent on IT in order to satisfy their corporate aims and meet their business needs. "

    One possible translation:

    "IT is important"

    I recall a Slashdot comment that referred to Forbes magazine as "capitalist porn". This link seems to point at more of the same thing -a place where those of a management-mindset can go to have their sense of importance stroked.

    There might, in fact be something useful buried in the biz-speak on the linked website, but any real value seems likely to be lost 'mongst a million mind-numbing meetings and micromanaging memos in an overblown orgy of organizational onanism. The danger sign is the repetitively redundant overuse of reference to "corporate" aims and "business" needs. What other sort of "aims" and "needs" can a company or organization have? (Assuming that than an inanimate construct can have "needs" at all!)

    A truely effective technique does not need a lot of structured promotion -no one "hypes" basic book-keeping practices, but they work and therefore, they are used.

  14. fsck ITIL, TQM, SPC and XYZ-du-jour by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Anyone who mentions something specific about ITIL, or uses the phrase "best practice", is almost invariably a wanker. How about you do your job in a sensible way, before we all sit around circle-jerking about acronyms, Process (with the capital P) and org charts?

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  15. ITIL toolset? + a little ramble by hejish · · Score: 1

    When I think about an ITIL toolset, or any IT toolset, I look at open and not so open tools...

    Service Desk -- phone system + ticketing system integrated with email -- I don't know about the open source space here

    Incident Management -- a non-technology system like ICS is very helpful, but then using a general tracking/ticketing system to record stuff is crucial - remedy, bugzilla, rt... they all work

    Configuration Management -- you just need a database - excel can perform the function sometimes, but later mysql, oracle, heck, even ldap can be useful Release Management -- to me, this is mainly documentation, for which wikis, html, and yes, even word documents can be useful. This ties in with financial management strongly - it is an asset database too, or close to it.

    Service Level Management -- Making sure the other tools you use let you track this is about all you generally need. On the reporting front, well, you need integration of tools - more on that later...

    Capacity Management -- mrtg/cacti let you look at how much your systems are getting used, and you need some method to load up your systems to your mrtg/cacti, in a test environment, can tell you how much capacity you have

    Problem Management -- use the same tracking for incident and problem management to make it easy... bugzilla or rt for example

    Change Management -- 2 main bits - have a policy - that's documentation (wiki, html with apache, heck, even word docs can work) with plans and docs about the changes to be made.

    Continuity Management -- planning (docs)

    Availability Management -- ties strongly to SL management - monitoring is a big part of this - nagios is a great open source monitoring tool with a little help to have it handle different kinds of escalations you might wanna do.

    Financial Management -- I generally take this back to configuration management, some documentation about policy...

    Security Management -- configuration management database is a biggie here of course, but further than that there are myriads of tools (snort with extra stuff for intrusion prevention, for example)

    The biggie in the end open source or purchased, is work-flow and tying it all together. Do your systems get in your way or help you out? If they get in your way for the most part, then that is all wrong! If people using the systems hate them, that's a clear sign that it is all wrong, even if some managementy folks like aspects of them.

    You have to do custom work with any of these systems, purchased, open source, or home-grown, to tie them together and help you do what you need done.

    ITIL is just a framework to make sure you don't forget anything. If you do anything often enough, you need to proceduralize, document, and automate it so you don't have to any more or so it is easy.

    This tying together helps connect other bits - like for reporting. You have to get reports using your monitoring with load generation tools to see about capacity reporting. SLA reporting comes from monitoring reports, but outages and tracking for problem management requires looking at, categorizing those incidents...

    1. Re:ITIL toolset? + a little ramble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is a very sensible answer to the original question.
      Thanks!

  16. Cliff has gone international with dumb CERTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow apparently Cliff has decided that instead of getting a B.S. or even better a M.S. that he would rather go global in his search for worthless crap to hang on his wall. I for one commend you Cliff (better known in beer comericials as MR. Never get a real education spend all my money on Certs because they don't require me to actually learn any thing man ) For those of you across either pond that relates to a series of stupid beer comericials running here in the states, other such comercials have honered Mr. 68 SPF warer man, and Smelly hot dog salesman. Any way Cliff great job I hope you hang that cert on the fridge next to your #1 dad cert that your daughter gave you to cheer you up after you lost your favorite blue crayon up your nose.

  17. You said it by anomaly · · Score: 1

    I was out of the office for a couple of days last week. While I was gone, the team needed to get something to Prod "right away." They forgot to attend the CCB meeting, so they went around procedure because this was 'so important.'

    In the process, they ended up using an old version of the promote to production process which is the old version BECAUSE IT DESTROYS DATA in certain circumstances.

    All of the people who could have caught it were in the CCB meeting, so no one saw the problem until - you guessed it - data was destroyed in prod. (and dev and test BTW)

    Why must we document processes to the nth degree? Why must we assume that our people are not going to know what they are doing? Because if we don't, this kind of thing happens.

    In this case, documentation did not help, because the 'urgency' dictated that documented procedures be ignored as 'red tape.'

    ITIL and RUP et al provide a mechanism for people to follow when developing the specific procedures that prevent this kind of foul up. I also agree with the poster that suggested that these things provide a common vocabulary for the organization to use when referring to process.

    For what it's worth, I work for a Fortune 500 company. YMMV.

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    1. Re:You said it by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      In this case, documentation did not help, because the 'urgency' dictated that documented procedures be ignored as 'red tape.'

      These kind of systems don't work at all if there are no consequences for not following them. Some places (auto industry especially from what I hear) fire you if you purposely ignore the ISO standard, no matter what the reason (life saving measures excepted, I'm sure).

      In my experience if there is no such consequence it's because senior management doesn't really buy in and they want to circumvent the process when they feel like it. So it's doomed to failure before it begins.

      Good screening tool for a job: "What kind of quality system do you have in place and what are the consequences for not following it". You get lots of insight into how things are run right there.

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