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iTunes Australia to Launch Next Week

daria42 writes "It looks extremely likely that the iTunes music store will launch (finally) in Australia next week. Apple confirmed that its vice president of iTunes Eddie Cue, and vice president of iPod product marketing Greg Joswiak will be flying down under for a press conference on Tuesday morning. Cue has been prominent in a number of launches around the globe of the online music store, which is now available in around 20 countries worldwide. Australians have been waiting for the launch for more than a year now. It is believed Sony's Australian division wanted to block the launch."

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  1. Variable pricing? by The+Amazing+Fish+Boy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the article:

    The iTunes Australia store is expected to provide largely the same offerings as its US and European stores, delivering access to almost one million songs at between AU$0.99 and AU$1.69 per song.

    Crikey!

    1. Re:Variable pricing? by cerebis · · Score: 3, Interesting
      At current exchange rates, thats $0.75 to $1.25 US. We didn't fair too badly after all. I know one of the debated points has always been the price of a song. The music industry wants to charge more.

      I have a feeling the disagreement was that the music moguls are stuck with the misperception that if the RRP is still $30AUD, then they simply have to divide that price by the averge number of songs to get the download price. This ignores the fact that most Aussie music stores are regularly pricing new CDs at $19.95 and older ones at as little as $10.

      It turns out that $10-$20 / [average number of songs per album] actually works out quite close to the publicized pricing, with space for an extra reduction at the top end since it is just an mp3 with real licensing limitations due to the copy protection.

    2. Re:Variable pricing? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I really don't have a problem with variable pricing on its own, though I suspect that the owners would exploit the variation to price their stuff higher than current pricing, and never lower. I'll buy tracks at fifty cents USD, but not $1.49 or $1.29, and frankly, I haven't bought at $0.99 either.

      I don't buy music online, either by download or CD, but rather a local used CD store. Still, it's my hope that the ability to buy single tracks would lead to a pressure that improves the entire album. In the past, people complained about the bundling of hits with the throw-aways, the ability to buy the desired track and leave the undesired behind means that the undesired tracks would final getting the fiscal beating they deserve rather than be considered track count padding.

    3. Re:Variable pricing? by clifyt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "I'll buy tracks at fifty cents USD, but not $1.49 or $1.29, and frankly, I haven't bought at $0.99 either."

      "but rather a local used CD store."

      This just proves you really aren't a target candidate for this type of online store and there is nothing wrong with that.

      Folks that buy used this way really don't want complete selection nor are they worried about the timeliness of their purchase. I buy online BECAUSE I want something that I can't get used (and believe me, most of the stuff I buy IS used) because no one has sold it yet, OR because I need it now and don't feel like getting into my car and driving across town to save $4 on the purchase (lets see...a couple weeks ago with gas prices of almost $3, 15 miles there and 15 miles back to the closest USED store -- 30 miles city to the gallon means at least one gallon was wasted, ok -- I could have saved a single $ considering most used is $5.99 -- unless its newish, then its between 8.99 and 10.99 and I LOSE money on the deal).

      But you aren't the target audience for this stuff. As someone that has worked in music (and still occasionally does the odd project when I can take enough time away from my research and other university duties to head towards lalaland for a week or two) at $.99 you are getting things cheap...on average. Even the 'throw aways' are not throw aways to fans...most of the time, they just don't fit with the stereotype of what it being played on the radio (or would you rather the music industry demand ALL tracks be devoid of artistic integrity so long as they can make it on the radio). Over time, I generally end up loving the throw aways more than I do the hits...then again, if you are talking 'popstars', you might be right. And at the same time, deserving what ever crap you may be buying. I don't think I've *EVER* bought an album that had filler except maybe the odd popsong that got caught in my head and I felt it would be well worth the price of admission to spend $14.99 to exorcise it out through the over playing of that one song (its happened before).

      But you are right about used stuff...as a consumer, I don't care how much something cost to make, if I can get it *legally* cheaper I generally do (though these days, its ordering off of Amazon and grabbing used from there....found a $30 double cd import for $5 the other day almost new looking...and it only cost me $4 in shipping). Past that, I love the iTMS.

  2. and the drummer plays on.... by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is high time that the drum beat of the digital age began conquering the lands it has not yet subjegated. That sounds harsh, but what I mean is that until digital content, and more importantly, digital distribution is ubiquitous (I dislike that word) there will be no revolution in the digital entertainment world. Until the entire world holds the *AA business model up for ridicule there will be no change worth reporting on the common man's news channel.

    I really don't care who makes digital music available in any country, I just care that it happens. Hoooray for music... horaayyy for music unfettered by malicious middlemen distribution companies. It is aobut time that musicians began getting paid for their music without all the middleman crap. In this case, the digital age moves ahead of current technology to support the small businessman, small business, and the artist.

    Copyright and patent be damned, this is a *GOOD* thing.

    Personally, I've not listened to commercial radio for a long time, it SUCKS. I do support Internet radio with my money, its worth it. Its time for all of the old business model to crumble, and crumble fast and hard... fsck the *AA and their Italian sports cars... (okay, that wasn't really PC)

    I'm just glad to see the old model breaking!!! :-)

  3. About bloody time by aussie_a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So what was the hold up? They wanted to try to secure Sony's agreement to supply Australians with their music?

    The Seven Network has said it will start distributing popular television shows such as Dancing with the Stars to the Internet and portable devices by mid-2006.

    That's good to hear (not that particular show, but that australian shows will be uploaded), but do we get American shows, and if so, when do we get them? American shows are often delayed in Australia, with some episodes merely not shown at all (or shown out of order), while entire seasons can just not be shown at all (we never got Enterprise Season 4, the best bloody season of the lot and it wasn't aired). We also have to put up with sci-fi shows being stopped mid-season for rubbish like this.

    It's better for people to just wait for the season to be released on DVD half the time (although not only do we get those delayed, we get shafted with those as well compared with the American one.

    If Apple can offer American shows to Australians at the same time as they offer it to Americans, they'll find a market ready and primed for them. Heck, if it weren't for the small screen size I'd include myself in those who would readily leap at the chance to buy the shows from Apple. Unfortunately I can just see the government and/or television companies trying to stop Apple :(

    1. Re:About bloody time by asdfrewq · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is probably the reason Australia is second largest downloader of TV programmes from the web at 15.6% ahead of the UK(18.5%) and the US(7.3%), according to figures from the linked article. Rather astounding considering our relatively small population.

  4. Re:I'm not convinced by Aenema · · Score: 3, Funny

    Almost like the Video Ipod, right?

  5. Let's only hope by cdtoad · · Score: 3, Funny

    that Paul Hogan & Jackko never made it to mp3

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  6. This just in... by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Funny

    Duke Nukem Forever will also be released in Australia within the year.

  7. $1.69 a track?! by coljac · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think US$0.99 is already too much and is stifling the market. AU$1.69 (US$1.26) is ridiculous. Although I'm sure Apple lobbied for lower prices, the end result is robbery and I hope Australians vote with their feet. Why should the price discrepancy be so large between the two markets?

    I wish the Slashdot-foretold Music Industry Apocalypse would hurry up and happen.

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    1. Re:$1.69 a track?! by Fex303 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Why should the price discrepancy be so large between the two markets?

      That's a pretty standard markup for media or content in Australia. Remember we're still paying A$99.95 (US$74.88) for a new-release video game. Sometimes higher. A$33 for a CD isn't unusual either. So a ~25% price hike is pretty good by our standards.

      I'm suprised it wasn't around the A$2.50 per song mark...

  8. iTunes in NZ by usmc.spitfire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It will be nice when they finally open iTunes to New Zealand. People here have only owned iPods for what? 1½ years?

  9. Re:What's up with the name? by questamor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Joswiak is obviously the product of secret genetic experiments at Apple in the early 1980s to combine the best of Jobs and Wozniak in the one beast.

  10. A Guilty Proposal... by jason_hutchens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's frustrating to have to wait for the iTMS to be released down here, knowing that the songs I want to buy are one (illegal) click away. The same goes for TV series and DVDs. There's a whole heap of stuff out there that us non-pirates have to patiently wait for, even though there are perfect digital copies of that same stuff floating around, ready for the picking, for free.

    A colleague of mine suggested that I (illegally) download the stuff I want, then send a cheque for the RRP direct to the artist, along with a letter explaining my predicament and suggesting that the developer hands over whatever percentage the publisher would normally take from them. The artist would thereby be compensated for one "stolen" copy of their work, and it would be up to them to decide whether or not to compensate their publisher in turn. I realised that this model could be extended to other kinds of digital content (movies, TV series, music, software), and that a lot of people out there would be happy to pay off their "guilty conscience".

    This got me thinking. How about a website (guiltyconscience.com) that accepts anonymous donations (via credit card or paypal or whatever) to allow people to pay-off the guilt they have for illegally downloading music, movies, games and so on? The website would tally up the donations received and make regular "royalty" payments direct to the artist. A user could donate $10 and spread it over 100 songs, if 10 cents a song is enough to offset their guilt. Products could be identified via their Amazon ID or similar, to allow the artist to be easily tracked down. The result would be a perfect marketplace, in that each individual defines how much they're willing to pay for something they want without knowing what others are paying. The website wouldn't promote piracy (i.e. it wouldn't help people locate and download illegal content), but it would help to offset the damage it causes. After all, aren't we constantly being told that piracy is "ripping off the artist"?

    Imagine how things would change if a good proportion of those who pirate movies, music and software actually DID pay the artist for what they "stole".

    1. Re:A Guilty Proposal... by MasterB(G)ates · · Score: 2, Interesting

      a great idea! But I would change the name of the website. Usual paranoia feelings - if the web site owners ever got sued and were forced to hand over user details then suing your arse in turn might be too easily as you've kinda already admitted guilt. Just a donation/thankyou site where you can give money to artists because you know they are getting ripped off by the music industry would be better methinks - thanksforthemusic.com???

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  11. Re:Now if they will just... by galven · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Differing copyright issues for different countries. Lots of complications and headaches. That's what stops...

  12. Re:I'm not convinced by rworne · · Score: 2

    What do you mean? It's not like the rest of the world didn't put up with each of those as well as a UFIA by Sony.

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  13. Too Late Apple by craznar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Already signed up here in frustration http://www.allofmp3.com/

    Only 2 weeks ago.

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    1. Re:Too Late Apple by craznar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's different is that it isn't illegal for me to buy music legally in another country .... in Australia.

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    2. Re:Too Late Apple by craznar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seems to be alot of moronic yanks that don't realise that SOME countries allow you to buy music OUTSIDE that country.

      It's legal in Russia - it's legal in Australia.

      Live with it moron.

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    3. Re:Too Late Apple by natd · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What's different is that it isn't illegal for me to buy music legally in another country .... in Australia.

      You're missing my point - deliberatly or otherwise.

      Most of us probably avoid illegally downloading (aka stealing) music on principal - I know I do. I buy all my music on CD really, I've no interest in scrounging around for torrents etc. To use 'allofmp3' is just as wrong on that same principal because your money isn't going near the artist - likely just into some Russian mafia crooks war chest to fund other more sinister activities.

      So the point is that if you're going to take an artists music without giving them ANYTHING (yes, I know the label takes most) then you would be doing every one a favour by just stealing it the normal way instead of maknig a charitable donation to a crime ring.

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  14. no - IT'S FOR REAL - & Australia is a GREAT sc by linuxbaby · · Score: 4, Informative
    No - it's for real. I know because my company CD Baby is the provider of over 500,000 songs to iTunes, through our Digital Distribution program. Apple just contacted us again today to make sure we were all OK with the Australian launch. They only ever do this a week before a new country launches (as we did with Japan, Europe, Canada).

    I have to say, I'm very impressed with the independent music scene in Australia. There's a great spirit of independence there, helped by Triple-J Radio, a gov't-sponsored nationwide radio that actually plays a lot of truly-independent local artists, QMusic - a gov't-sponsored non-profit to develop and help local musicians, AIR, the Association of Independent Record Labels, which is run by a few passionate punks in Brisbane.

    (I'm SO impressed, in fact, that we're going to be setting up a CD Baby office in Australia in a couple months!)

  15. New Zealand? by LadyLucky · · Score: 3

    Apple NZ seems to just be a branch of Apple Australia. I wonder if this means we will be getting iTunes Music Store in NZ some time soon!

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  16. Re:no - IT'S FOR REAL - & Australia is a GREAT by blackest_k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Facinating, I read your links and CDBaby does seem to be a great way for musicians to make the transistion from being a Pub band to semi pro or pro status.
    Your Site and Concept sell themselves well.

    If I wanted to get listed on Itunes purely to get listed provided I didnt use samples and was completely original didn't do a cover of an existing song I could be there for pretty much the cost of my time producing 2 cd's and 55 dollars (pretty much vanity publishing but for music).
    might never get downloaded but hey I am published ...

    For those musicians that want to get further then there is still a lot of work to be done. unlikely that someone will download your song by chance. I guess a musician could try p2p and give away some songs.

    legally covers you can't give them away since you have to pay the publishers for a licience although it does seem that if i covered "what becomes of the broken hearted" and only ever got 10 downloads on Itunes then I would owe the publishers 90 cents.

    I wonder what my liability would be if a few 1000 copys of my performance of this song got downloaded free on p2p. If it was deliberate on my part or just released by my "Fan".

    Samples/mixes seem to be another huge minefield that will incur an overhead.
    mixes might never be legal and samples seem to have a dollar value that assumes a minimum quantity of 500 to 2500 copys.

    if your making sales it also seems likely that tax will be paid somewhere and it also means making accounts your friendly song publisher will want to ensure you really only did get 10 downloads.

    however given all that I don't think CDBaby can be held accountable for the taxman the publishers or that fox fella for taking a slice from your sales.

    The only negative I could see was a comment about cdbaby taking a fixed price from a Cd Sale

    http://www.gnutellanews.com/article/6830

    " Author: gdZiemann
    Posted: June 6, 2003 at 7:46 PM EDT
    Well, I've been writing to Apple for months before they started iMusic.

    MacWarehouse has called me three times in the 2-3 weeks to update their records. They keep talking about their Apple "champs."

    You know, I really have nothing against CD Baby. I think they're a great deal for a lot of artists still basically going the traditional route.

    But if I use them, it will double my $5 retail price, because they charge $4 per unit. I'm not doubling my price to get in the club, so I can cut the price back to $5 on iMusic.

    It might be the yellow brick road, but that damn witch is still hanging around.
    "

    Derek can you explain what this guy is talking about?

    do you take submissions by people other than musicians
    say i heard a good local band or a bad one for that matter and organised getting thier unpublished recordings to you. would you deal with me as thier representative or
    would they have to come direct to you?

    sorry if this takes away some of the wow factor from cdbaby but i would be interested to see your reply.
    please correct any inaccuracys in my understanding of what cdbaby is about and the reality of publishing via cdbaby to itunes ect.

  17. Probably not by AnEmbodiedMind · · Score: 3, Informative
    The thing holding up iTunes rolling out in each country is not Apple's presence in that country, but the existence of independent music publishing groups in each country.

    This means that Apple has to reach agreements with the groups in each and every country before they can roll out the iTunes store in each of those country.

    While NZ and Australia share the same song rights group (APRA - The Australasian Performing Right Association), this is different to publishing rights which is governed by other groups.

  18. all of mp3 = 0.00 to artists by acomj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Artists aren't seeing penny one from allofmp3. not even the 2 cents of wich you speak. Its basically piracy, but because Russia is ... well Russia the laws only cover physical copying.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4328269.stm

    Just pirate it if your not going to support the artist. That way your supporting criminals as well

  19. Re:no - IT'S FOR REAL - & Australia is a GREAT by linuxbaby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    blackest_k: Thanks for the nice comments. Yes when we sell the physical CD (where we warehouse it, ship it, etc) then we keep a flat $4 per CD sold/shipped, no matter whether the selling price is $10, $15, $20, whatever - that's how much it costs to do everything we do. It's actually a much smaller cut than Amazon, for example. For our digital distribution, we only keep 9%, paying 91% of all income directly to the artists. But I feel weird answering a customer-service question on Slashdot comments, so please feel free to email us (cdbaby.com/contact) for any details - I'd be glad to help.

  20. At last - something legal to put on an iPod by Namarrgon · · Score: 3, Informative
    This will probably mark the first moment any iPod user in Australia can stop breaking the law.

    Last I checked, it is still illegal here to make a copy of the music on a CD you own, for any reason at all - personal uses of any type included, even for an MP3 player. We have no fair-use provision in our copyright laws, nor (AFAIK) are we getting any as a result of the Free Trade deal with the USA (though copyright terms are being drastically lengthened to match the US). We own the media, but have no "license to the music".

    There are already a few online music stores in Australia, but to my knowledge they only sell songs in WMA format, not much good for iPod owners. iTMS will be the first useful site.

    I can imagine that all of our iPods would be desperately looking forward to playing something other than crappy bootlegged highschool bands, home-recorded birdsong & the occasional scroungings from Creative Commons.

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