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The End Of The Light Bulb?

sdmonroe wrote to mention an MSNBC article discussing the likely eventual replacement of common light bulbs by LEDs. That replacement is likely to come quicker thanks to an accidental discovery announced this week. From the article: "Michael Bowers, a graduate student at Vanderbilt University, was just trying to make really small quantum dots, which are crystals generally only a few nanometers big. ... When you shine a light on quantum dots or apply electricity to them, they react by producing their own light, normally a bright, vibrant color. But when Bowers shined a laser on his batch of dots, something unexpected happened. 'I was surprised when a white glow covered the table,' Bowers said. 'The quantum dots were supposed to emit blue light, but instead they were giving off a beautiful white glow.'"

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  1. Something new for moths? by xanadu113 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something new for moths to fly in to?

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  2. This brings up an important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many cats does it take to change a quantum dot?

  3. well, likely not. by way2trivial · · Score: 5, Interesting

    at my workplace, a hotel on the beach.

    We had for many years yellow colored standard bulbs, as they don't attract bugs.

    we started replacement with yello fluro twist bulbs, to save on electricity and replacement costs.

    in research, it turns out, we can use white fluro-- as they only emit light in a very narrow spectrum of white light, unlike an ordinary filament bulb.. and the range they do emit light on, suitable for humans, does not attract bugs.

    I'd guess these low power led lights also emit white light on a very narrow band....

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  4. From the FAQ on LEDs by jkind · · Score: 5, Informative

    Answer: there are several obvious advantages LEDs have over traditional incandescent light bulbs, they are as follows:
    Low power consumption - energy saving,
    Long lasting,
    Cold lighting,
    Ruggedness,
    Small size and weight,
    Fast switch times,
    Simple to use.
    This is from the FAQ, but it doesn't list any disadvantages..
    anyone care to share?

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    1. Re:From the FAQ on LEDs by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Informative
      Some Disadvantages:

      Like Fluorescent, requires supporting circuitry -- doesn't plug directly into AC wiring.
      Cost (initial investment)
      Harder to dim -- can't use simple rheostat
      Flicker (if using less than 100% on time)

      I don't have anything against LED lighting, and none of these disadvantages are insurmountable. Indeed, these could be viewed as business opportunities instead. Most of the disadvantages are shared with fluorescents, and adequate solutions already exist there. I know a guy who lights his whole off-grid house with LEDs (using low voltage DC wiring). I particularly like the possibility of creating variable color lighting with LEDs, emulating daylight, sunlight, tungsten or whatever.

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  5. We'll need a replacement for the Goodyear Blimp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A LED Zeppelin, of course.

  6. Ideas of the Future? by Garridan · · Score: 5, Funny

    "One big question remains: When a brilliant idea pops into your mind in the future, what will appear over your head?"

    Smoke. That's one thing that I don't see changing any time soon. Not for me, anyway.

  7. Re:It's about damn time! by joostje · · Score: 5, Informative
    Considering that the average lightbulb creates more heat than light, this is great!
    As lightbulbs create about 95% to 98% heat (the rest is light), and modern LEDs about 85% to 96% heat, the LEDs still create more heat than light.

    reference

  8. As a lighting design student... by maino82 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can definitely see the benefits of LEDs when compared to other forms of electric light. They do produce more lumens per watt than most other sources, but they do produce a good deal of heat when combined together into a large array, despite what people may tell you. They also have the added benefit of efficiently producing (since they only produce light in a certain wavelength) just about any color you would want through color mixing of different color LEDs (check out the tunnel in the Detroit airport if you'd like to see a well done example). Personally, though, I would love to see more daylight in spaces rather than a push for the latest and greatest in electric light. If done properly, daylighting can greatly increase light levels in the workplace and lower energy consumed by electric light. Generally, this will lead to an increase in cooling load, but this is almost always smaller than the amount of energy saved by eliminating electric lighting (again, if done properly). So while I'm all for more efficient electric lighting, it would be nice to see no electric lighting used during daylight hours when the sun is readily available.

  9. Re:The greatest discoveries... by B-a-Z.nl · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's quote the source on that now shall we?
    Isaac Asimov
    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov

  10. LED disadvantages by Temeraire · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone who tries (like me) to build small lighting devices with LEDs rapidly discovers lots of practical difficulties. To equal the light output of one cheapo fluorescent tube you need hundreds of the little blighters. It is not easy to make their output look even, rather than dotty. And with that large number, reliability is a real problem. Even a 1% failure rate (amplified to 3% or 5% by the LEDs often being in series) rapidly translates into major unevenness. Even production lines struggle to make large arrays of LEDs stay 100% alight, but little people often get sold the bin ends, which fail rapidly in service.
          Also LEDs are NOT yet more efficient than fluorescents. Their data sheets never give the one number that really matters: what percentage of input energy actually emerges as light? The answer is usually frighteningly low. Therefore LED devices tend to cook themselves to death if run really bright.
          To run LEDs stably requires either a wasteful series resistor or an expensive semiconductor constant-current device. And cheap low-voltage power supplies are actually badly life-limited by their electrolytic capacitors. In my experience many LEDs die prematurely because of a failing power supply and hot sunshine.
          Don't get me wrong. LEDs are the future, but you must be wary of calling them energy-saving, long-lasting, or easy to use!

  11. Re:Not sure this discovery is necessary by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The only thing holding them back is price.

    No- many things are holding back LEDs.

    • They produce light efficiently (not THAT efficiently) but don't produce that much light compared to a very simple single-bulb HID or fluorescent tube (by the way, which tube are you basing that "3x" on? T12, T10, or T8? Because T8's are MUCH more efficient that T12's). It takes a HUGE number of LEDs to replace ONE T8 fluorescent tube- and that tube costs a few dollars tops, because it is very easy to make. Right now, a single Luxeon white LED sells in 100-1000 unit quantities for well over $10-20, and produces 1-5W. A T8 bulb will produce 30-40W, and costs RETAIL about $5.
    • They require new reflector designs and light spreaders, since they are a VERY small point source. A lot of work goes into making light sources produce even, smooth lighting that won't generate harsh shadows- point sources make this job a real bitch. Point source also means that despite relatively low heat output the heat is very localized, and that means PCBs must also be heat spreaders, complicating assembly/design/manufacture further. You can't just toss them on a PCB. Companies like Luxeon now sell them on little PCBs with the necessary spreader etc, but now you're not just talking about buying an LED, you're buying a whole assembly for your product...$$$.
    • Related- while they have a long life before failure, most of the high-output LEDs drop in light output very significantly, within a year or two of continuous operation 10-20 degrees above room temperature. VERY few LED manufacturers disclose this upfront- and virtually ALL the companies hawking LED products fail to mention this nice little caveat. Furthermore, just because the LED is rated to, say, 100,000 hours- doesn't mean it won't burn out because the company that made the device it is part of didn't botch the job on current+voltage regulation, heat dissipation, etc.

    I know everyone thinks they are the second coming of Christ, and they do have some wonderful applications (like traffic signals and car brake lights)...but they're not the end-all be-all.

  12. Re:Not sure this discovery is necessary by fossa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bulb Efficiency (lumens per watt)

    • Incandescent: 14-17.5 [1]
    • White LED: 29-37.5 [1]
    • Fluorescent: 50-100 [2]

    [1] Why LEDs can be 10 times as efficient as incandescents in some applications but not in general home lighting!
    [2] Are fluorescent bulbs really more efficient than normal light bulbs?

    I'm a bit surprised at those fluorescent numbers... I don't have the box to one of my fluorescent bulbs handy to double check that, but I do know that while not as hot as incandescents, they become very hot to the touch when in use. I've never touched a lamp sized LED bulb however.

    One disadvantage of fluorescents is that they contain mercury. Newer fluorescents may have found a way around this however; I'm not sure.

    Not surprisingly, many of the websites I saw talked about future improvements in LED tech with goals around 100 lumens per watt.

  13. Re:It's about damn time! by syukton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Something interesting and useful to know is that the other reply you received to your post is totally incorrect.

    First, LEDs are current driven, not voltage driven. The voltage difference between + and - determines the amount of current the device will consume, but if you can regulate the current you can run the device at 100V no sweat. You will of course need to dissipate any additional heat (usually in the device you're using to do the current limiting, sometimes a resistor, sometimes a more exotic circuit) created, but the very important thing to understand about LEDs is that their current absolutely determines their light output after you surpass a certain threshold voltage.

    The relationship between the +/- voltage difference and the amount of current consumed is not the same for every kind of LED. LEDs require different chemistry in order to produce different colors, and this makes them have differing performance characteristics.

    And another thing to consider is how the LEDs are packaged. Some 8mm packages have 4 chips inside and their rated light output is measured at a regulated input current of 80mA and not 20mA as for most single-chip devices. Also, some blue devices consume 30mA while reds only consume 20mA. Again, this depends on the chemistry. Now, also, taking packaging into consideration, a Luxeon device from Lumileds and a BL-3000 from Lamina Ceramics have totally different performance characteristics because of their chemistry, construction, packaging, and so forth.

    You have two choices: Limit the voltage so that the device does not consume as much current, or limit your current and ensure that the voltage simply exceeds the maximum. Ultimately you need to regulate the current because the amount of current consumed (taking into consideration the device's ultimate efficiency) is directly proportional to the amount of heat generated in the chip itself.

    You see, LEDs don't generate heat in their light path (radiant infrared travelling in parallel with the visible light, like the "heat" of the sun or a candle), but the chip itself does get rather hot, and if that heat isn't dissipated the LED chip will become physically damaged. Some of the materials used have melting points below 120 degrees, a temperature easily achieved by an LED not properly heatsinked.

    So here's some tips: When you make LED boards (whether addressable matrices or simple blinky lights) you want to use a metal-core PCB or leave a portion of the LED's leads exposed in order to help dissipate the heat generated at the chip core and ensure longer chip life. LEDs don't just "burn out" one day, they will get dimmer slowly over time, and you can maximize that length of time by running them at less than their rated current, by cooling them actively or passively, and by using PWM to modulate their output.

    Don Klipstein maintains a good set of information about LEDs: http://members.misty.com/don/ledx.html

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