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Jack Thompson Calls The Feds On PA
Gamespot is reporting that Jack has taken his beef to the Feds regarding the dangerous pixelantes over at Penny Arcade. From the article: "In a letter addressed to John McKay, US Attorney for the Western District of Washington, and sent to media outlets, Thompson this morning said the site was using a variety of means 'to encourage and solicit criminal harassment' of him. Thomspon wrote to McKay, 'Please help me if you can,' but did not include specific actions he wished to have taken against the site. McKay's office prosecutes cases investigated by several law enforcement agencies in Western Washington, including the FBI." PvP is also running a parody indicating that Jack has appealed to the Justice League for assistance with Gabe and Tycho.
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The "I Hate Jack Thompson" T-Shirts at ThinkGeek are out of stock, expected to be available again on Octover 26th. For a higher shipping price you should still be able to get one in time for Halloween though.
If Gabe, err Juan, thought that the Seattle lockup was going to be bad I can't imagine the nightmares he is going to have over Federal Pound-Me-in-the-Ass prison.
Can't wait to see the comic on this one.
"Penny Arcade, by means I choose not to specify because that would be really dumb to do right now, given what will be distribution of this information, have intentionally orchestrated death threats and other harassment toward me. I'll provide the proof, some of which these folks don't know I have, to the charging authorities. That's as specific as I want to be given to whom I am ulimately[sic] speaking. I'm not as dumb as I look."
Jack Thompson rules
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That doesn't mean that the harassment is "OK" it just means that 1) it isn't Gabe & Tycho's creation and 2) he has lowered protections against speech anyway given that he's made himself a public figure.
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
He made himself into a public figure by starting his little crusade. If he can't handle the heat, maybe he should get out of the kitchen.
He had the option of speaking out anonymously, but he chose not to.
He's an attention whore. He's just pissed because Penny Arcade out-whored him on this one. And I doubt that Tycho and Gabe donated the $10,000 thinking they'd make it up in ad revenue. They might, but nearly everyone who follows this scandal already knows about PA. They may gain a few new readers out of it but not many.
At least Andy Kaufman had the sense to promote himself as an actor.
Seriously though, if someone acts like a jerk, they shouldn't be surprised when they receive their comuppance.
I am a science fantasy fan
Desperate actions of a desperate man trying desperately to stay "relevant" and in the public eye. People, it's nothing more than self promotion, and the US Attorney probably gets a shitload of wacky letters like Jacks, and has better things to do than spend much time on them. It's a publicity stunt, folks. Best thing to do? Ignore both it and Jack-O.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Penny Arcade is NOT in anyway shape or form harassing him.
It is LEGAL to make donations in another's name. (IE you can make a donation to the NAACP in David Duke's name...)
Is it LEGAL (at least in the USA) to correspond with another and say "ha ha you're a fool"
Is Penny Arcade directing attention to this guy? Yes. And it's LEGAL to do so (in the USA).
They're not threatening him. They're not telling people to threaten him. They are trying to get people's attention on him so that they'll realize that this campaign to sue video game companies is one man's personal vendetta and not necessarily a generalized public response.
He wasn't "hit out of the blue" He's been harassing video game websites for months now and has been publically bashing the entire video game industry. He publically made an offer of donating money to charity if they'd build a game to his specification which he renegged on. He's a public figure, waging a public vendetta.
That's NOT illegal (in the USA). That's called FREE SPEECH.
Disbar Jack Thompson
He's just being stupid now.
Realy, realy stupid.
-schwal "Hanging is too good for punners, they should be drawn and quoted"
I hear that he'd be better off with a millstone around his neck and cast into the sea than his current fate.
http://www.law.stetson.edu/excellence/litethics/fl bar.htm
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The Florida Bar
Ideals and Goals of Professionalism
These aspirational guidelines for lawyers were
adopted by the Board of Governors of the Florida Bar on May 16, 1990.
"A lawyer's word should be his or her bond. The lawyer should not knowingly misstate, distort, or improperly exaggerate any fact or opinion and should not improperly permit the lawyer's silence or inaction to mislead anyone."
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Florida Bar Creed Of Professionalism
"I will not knowingly misstate, distort, or improperly exaggerate any fact or opinion and will not improperly permit my silence or inaction to mislead anyone."
So why does he call himself "John Thompson" at the top of the parody email, but Jack Thompson at the bottom?
Let's not forget that Thompson does this for profit, a hell of a lot more than the Penny Arcade guys get. Thompson has orchistrated multiple lawsuits and class-action suits against the industry over the years, and has profitedly handsomly from it. Thompson inhabits a space that attempts to restrict expression for personal profit. That's a lot more tenuous than the position of Penny Arcade where they express themselves and get paid for it.
Thompson is very relevant to Penny Arcade. They've sold "I hate Jack Thompson" t-shirts for years. He claims that Electronic Arts sells pornography via Sims2 to children and that videogames caused Columbine. Penny Arcade is a webcomic about videogame culture. Thompson is a part of that culture. There is a clear connection there, and a clear reason for Penny Arcade to e-mail this very public figure.
He then called them. On the phone. In meatspace. Of his own volition. Which of course they post about, as Penny Arcade is a blog that posts about videogame relevant experiences these two people have. That's what they do. And having tons of readers, some respond by making baseless threats. That's the nature of the modern instantaneous communication and not at all PA's fault. If you haven't had at least one nut job claim you're going to be staring down the end of a 357, you're not trying hard enough.
And Thompson did a lot to fan the flames. Like pretending to contact the police, when in fact he was faxing everyone but them. And now the feds. Oh, and the whole open challenge to the video game industry PR stunt followed by "my promise to donate to charity was a farce." And he happened to be in the news anyway, what with the National Institute on Media and the Family distancing itself from him.
Not to put it too bluntly, but Penny Arcade has raised over 1/2 million dollars for toys for children's hospitals. Jack Thompson just copped out on making a promised 10,000 dollar donation to charity. That's basically what they said to him, and it's true.
Either way, he's a lawyer. He's supposed to be held to a higher moral standard. He's not supposed to make baseless threats, scream obscenities at media people, or mislead about legal actions he's pursuing.
On the other hand, the Penny Arcade blog, the modern equivalent of a morning radio show, has been posting inflammatory things like:
Jack is not special. He is not a unique snow flake as they say. He is just the latest vocal opponent of whatever is "corrupting" our youth at the moment. When my dad was growing up it was rock and roll devil music. Then it was comic books then movies and rap music. Today its videogames. If we were to succeed in getting Jack blacklisted from the major news outlets someone else would simply take his place. Imagine him as an actor playing a part in a play. The point is that Jack Thompson is not important. If he were to be fired a new actor would simply take up the role. The same lines would still be delivered in the same way and the same audience would pay to see it. We are actually fortunate that the current actor is so impotent in his role. Imagine what might happen if some charming, efficacious attorney took his place. The more I consider it the more I think we may be lucky to have Jack playing the part of the alarmist. The alternative might be someone who is actually capable.
That's major inducement to harass right there.
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Maybe they aren't juvenile enough to be making jokes about rape. Rape isn't funny.
(Unless you're raping a clown).
Jack might be a right wing nut job but he does have a point about Penny Arcade. He was doing an independent campaign that had nothing to do with them, then they took it on themselves to e-mail him.
Yeah, I suppose a guy trying to shove his morality down the collective throats of gamers has absolutely nothing to do with gamers.
Thanks, you fail at life.
No, he's not. I think he's stupider.
Yes, it's a word. I looked it up.
He's not even trying to shove morality down the throats of gamers... He's in it for the money and that's all the morality he needs.
OH!!!!!
Who's dumb as a rock and crazy as fuck!
Jack-Ass-Thomp-son!
Mature as a chimp and out of luck!
Jack-Ass-Thomp-son!
When cartoonists donated to charity...
Jack-Ass-Thomp-Son!
He asked them arrested, by the Seattle PD!
Jack-Ass-Thomp-Son!
OH! Jack-Ass-Thomp-Son, Jack-Ass-Thomp-Son!
JACK-ASS-THOMP-SON!!!!
I suppose that in his eyes, FPS Videogames really are murder simulators, in that the player goes around, kills people, and gets rewarded for it. Obviously, his ethical and moral beleifs oppose such things.
His rabid anti-video game stance, however, prevents him from being a true expert. He simply does not know enough about what he is talking about to hold a meaningfully informed opinion. He does not need to actually play a video game to get the idea that he would not like it. But he probably should not be able to testify in a court of law as any sort of expert on the subject. His blatant bias prevents him from accepting any information which does not conform to his world view. If someone agree's with him, he is right, and if they disagree, he is wrong. Anyone who cannot be reasonably convinced that they are wrong in the face of hard evidence contrary to their stated view should never be taken seriously on the subject in question.
The only writings that I have read that seemed more fucked up were the political writings of the Ultimate Warrior.
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Are we talking about the Fruit Fucker?
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-10- 14&res=l
it was like 2 before the one you posted
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"I'm not as dumb as I look."
You mean he's even dumber?
Death threats, you say? Read this: http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=5883
If Thompson really believes that games create killers (and I want you to think about that), then that game proposal is basically Thompson putting a $10,000 bounty on Paul Eibeler's head (and his family, and Wal-mart cashiers, etc etc).
Because, by his theory, children and teens who play his game are impressionable enough that someone will inevitably go out and re-enact the events he describes. And you can say turnabout is fair play, but if Thompson's campaign is really about protecting minors, then isn't this proposal a step in the wrong direction?
Well, at least he admits that he looks dumb. Although, in the pictures I've seen, it looks more like he's stoned...
My Anti-Jack-Thompson Door ( Door Comic Closeup )
Thanks to Ctrl-Alt-Del for that excellent comic.
I think it is very, very appropriate that as of this writing, Gamespot's featured game--which shows up to the right of the article--is Rockstar's upcoming "Bully." It's just so perfect.
They didn't say "haha you're a fool." They e-mailed him and said the $10,000 dollars that he pledged to give to charity (then later rescinded because it was "satire") was nothing compared to the $500,000 that gamers give to charity each year through Child's Play, the program they set up. Jack Thompson then called them (their phone number was in the e-mail) and screamed at them.
Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain.
Rape isn't funny.
Lamarr: Qualifications?
Outlaw: Rape, murder, arson and rape.
Lamarr: You said rape twice.
Outlaw: I like rape.
"Nobody knows the age of the human race, but everybody agrees that it is old enough to know better." - Unknown
No, you have one man claiming that he's getting all these death threats. When he ponies up the emails, with headers, from all these people putting out death threats on him, then he has a case. Right now, he's twisting the truth to get other people to do what he wants. But of course, that's what lawyers do.
I mean, go check out actual email conversation with the guy.. VG Cats & Jack!.. even when he starts the conversation, he starts seeing death threats and attacks in the responses. He's got the shittiest pair of rose-colored-glasses I've ever seen. Anything said to him is either total support, or a death threat.
"If Common Sense was so common, it wouldn't be such a valued trait."
He hadn't made me laugh at him yet. But he did now. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this, either. I eagerly await to see how much more rediculous he can get.
I also hope this particular crusade manages to get him shot down.
"Hm. I'm entitled to ramble on about something everyone knows." - Captain Picard
Even the people who agree with Jack hate to admit it.
This kind of reinforces what the PA guys said about how we won't really be in trouble until an activist comes along who's not so crazy and shrill.
Then again, Jack seems to be finding his audience just fine.
Okay, I know you guys don't want to believe this and thus I will get flamed, but is it possible that someone is sending emails on Jack Thompson's behalf? Think about it? He is often "writing" these unprofessional emails and letters and then forgetting about it. The top of his letter said John Thompson, not Jack Thompson. Is it possible that someone else is starting these arguments? If so then a lot of this crap makes senes. Thompson is then not the mindless idiot we all think he is. Why would an attorney be so forgetful? It just doesn't make sense unless someone is writing email for him. It doesn't take much to create an email that looks like it comes from somewhere else.
You also have people on the forum making baseless complaints and sending death threats!
Death threats? Obviously Jack Thompson doesn't understand satire when he sees it. Idiot.
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That message must have come accidentally from a parallel universe where everything is exactly like in this universe except that lawyers are not total scum and are held to a higher moral standard.
"Jack" is a nickname for "John" or "Jonathan". I'm suprised so few people know this...
Speaking of lawsuits, hunting around google for the various laws for my own state, I came across A list of all states' legal codes. Looking at the legal definition of libel and slander (and defamation in general) there is nothing that says that the defamation must target a specific person.
Does anyone know of any case law regarding general defamation, such as stating that all gamers are idiots, etc? Surely something must have come up from various racist statements.
Imagine: Porky Pig, raping Elmer Fudd. Why do you think they call him "Porky", eh?
Obviously, they must instead be manure-tinted glasses. They make everyone and everything look like fertile ground for lawsuits.
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Yes! Absolutely, help him! Refill his meds and make sure he actually takes them and doesn't spit them down the sink again!
You cannot truly appreciate Dilbert until you read it in the original Klingon.
Maybe they aren't juvenile enough to be making jokes about rape.
You've never actually read a Penny-Arcade strip have you?
Self-righteous web comics and their self-righteous video game playing readers are the best. I can't get enough of all the bullshit I see here, that wouldn't convince anybody who isn't also a nerdy self-righteous video-game player.
Past topics:
Thompson threatens PA with lawsuit.
Thompson complains to Police against PA.
Now:
Thompson Calls The Feds On PA
Next on Slashdot:
Thompson sends in the Navy against PA.
Thompson demands ONZ to take steps against PA.
Thompson wants the Pope to excomunicate PA.
I wonder when he decides to use the nukes.
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Jack is what the Greeks called a sykophant - someone who starts suits for profit - an activity regarded at the time on par with child molestation. I think they had it roughly right.
I wish that the Florida Bar would settle this. I mean, we get Thompson and Penny-Arcarde together, give Penny-Arcade the Florida Bar and let them beat the crap out of him with it.
to paraphrase star wars episode three, you're either with him or against him. guess which one I am?
Kids! Bringing about Armageddon can be dangerous. Do not attempt it in your home!
Age for truth, LoL.
That's major inducement to harass right there.
No it isn't. It's an expression of an opinion, protected by the first amendment.
Inducement to harrass would be something like "why don't you guys all harrass him".
Where do you get that this is "inducement to harrass"?
I remembered this scene from Princess Bride....
Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Westley: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Westley: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Maybe instead of ignoring, dicrediting, or refuting Jack Thompson (or even just allowing him to exist in the media spotlight as a somewhat ineffective alarmist) the best thing to do would be to CONVERT him. Like by shipping him our old games that we think he would enjoy. If he can browse Penny Arcade on his computer, then certainly he could load Civ III on his machine. Or maybe CSI or Nancy Drew or something else. Anyone got an old console with Tetris or Mario or Katamari Damacy just lying around?
Maybe he's just negative against games because he has only seen VIDEO clips of the most violent video games. I mean I get pissed off when I'm at somebody's place and they hog a single player game. Maybe someone just needs to give him an opportunity to PLAY.
His worst response to this would be trying to SUE you for sending him FREE stuff. But imagine the press if he did turn to the GAME side. Sure he might never turn into a video game advocate, he might have less free time to sue people if he were addicted to a stategy, simulation, puzzle, or lawyer game.