Navy Sued for Sonar-Blasting Whales

An anonymous reader wrote to mention a CNN report about a suit brought against the U.S. Navy for sonar pollution. From the article: "The environmentalists want the Navy to use harmless passive sonar -- listening for sounds made by marine mammals themselves -- to locate the animals before using mid-frequency sonar. They also want the Navy to avoid migration and calving areas and to turn on sonar systems gradually so that the animals have time to flee."

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Forty Years Of Bad Parenting Caused This

[chromozone]

A lot of people have grown-up resenting/hating their parents - and they themselves pretty much asked for it. Now there are millions of people with a guilt and shame based identity. These people here have indentified with some of the beauty in nature as a way to avoid seeing the ugliness in themselves. They have made "nature" and the external environment the ground of who they are.

The need to engage in psychotic struggles with safe targets to distract themslevs from seeing that they are failing as people. The rage and anger many of them felt for their parents and/or other violators could not be effectively expressed or deal with so they project it into other authority figures. Many people on the green left hate their own counties and leaders (parent stand-ins ) while being in sympathy with its enemies; they share the same seething nature.

False virtue is a plauge of the modern age, and many dysfunctional people with seething natures use high and virtuous sounding themes behind which they hide their compulisvely destructive natures. These people don't care as much about the environment as they profess. Emerson said whoever loves nature too much doesn't love it at all. These broken people are indentity compensation junkies, and behind the facade of a false love of nature is a genuine misanthropy.

The left has made a habit of promoting this sort of anger and projection crooning "there there.we love you as you are" and making these peoples fallen identities seem extra special and entitled to tear at the fabric of civilization to assuage their uncorrected guilt. So some of the levee projects in New Orleans had been put off because of "environmentalists" concerns. Now they want to blame Bush who is a stand in for the father they hated (The masculine right is often projected upon as a stand-in for fathers who the currently irrational feminine left seek to undermine with one zany emotional overture after another.)

If you ever wondered why the protestors on the left tend to be artsy-psychotic and weak/feminized it's because they usually had their identites broken by the alienation from a too weak/cruel father and then looked to get their identities from mama - who today is represented by the nanny state left and a media that seeks to make any wrong a right and any moral a vice.

We have these problems because this country has hardly any men or fathers anymore. So many guys sneak around looking for approval/sex etc. and their wives and kids hate their guts since rsenting male weakness is womans main flaw (lust being a males) . The other extreme is the cruel men who presure everyone into conformity and we see their weak, feminized kids psychotically protesting in the streets in virtual support of those who would kill them off - and they think they are heros because the media and Hollywood whack-jobs tell them they are. We are in serious poo now.

Re:Forty Years Of Bad Parenting Caused This

[MrChimp]

For chromozone A lot of people have grown-up obsessively needing their parents - and they themselves pretty much never got over it. Now there are millions of people with a conformist and fear based identity. These people here have "indentified" with some form of patriarchy or imagined majority as a way to avoid seeing the ugliness in themselves. They have made patriotism and fearful intolerance the ground of who they are. The need to engage in psychotic struggles with safe targets to distract themslevs from seeing that they are failing as people. The dependance and insecurity many of them have acquired from their parents and/or other violators could not be effectively replaced or deal with so they snuggle up to other authority figures. Many people on the radical right hate their own counties principles of tolerance and democracy (what America Stands for) while being in sympathy with its autocratic enemies; they share the same seething nature. False virtue is a plauge of the modern age, and many dysfunctional people with seething natures use high and virtuous sounding themes behind which they hide their compulisvely destructive natures. These people don't care as much about the country as they profess. James Madison said "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." These broken people are indentity compensation junkies, and behind the facade of a false love of country is a genuine misanthropy. The right has made a habit of promoting this sort of anger and projection crooning "there there. you are one of us, not them" and making these peoples fallen identities seem extra special and entitled to tear at the fabric of civilization to assuage their uncorrected insecurity. So some of the levee projects in New Orleans had been put off because of "economic" concerns. Now they want to rally around Bush who is a stand in for the father whose approval they pined for (The rational left is often projected upon as a threat to father figure autocrats who the currently childlike right seek to prop up with one zany emotional overture after another.) If you ever wondered why the protestors on the right tend to be flagwaving-psychotic and weak/mentally castrated it's because they usually had their identites broken by the alienation from a too weak/cruel father who forced them to give up their identities - who today is represented by the corporate state and a right leaning media that seeks to make any wrong a right and any moral a vice. We have these problems because this country has hardly any decent moral men or fathers anymore. So many guys sneak around looking for their own selfish interests, money etc. and their wives and communities hate their guts since ignorance is a mans main obstacle to being a moral human being (and truly being male) . The other extreme is the cruel men who presure everyone into conformity and we see their weak, kids psychotically protesting in the streets in virtual support of those in government who would kill them off - and they think they are heros because the media and Fox whack-jobs tell them they are. We are in serious poo now.

Re:well, here's a cynical explanation

[killjoe]

"Because for the most part animals really aren't a major threat the way other humans are?"

What does that have to do with anything? Just today the US military killed 20 people in Iraq. Why? Because those people objected to the US occupying their country.

If you can kill people because they don't want you in their country then pretty much anything goes.

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[MrChimp]

For chromozone: A lot of people have grown-up obsessively needing their parents - and they themselves pretty much never got over it. Now there are millions of people with a conformist and fear based identity. These people here have "indentified" with some form of patriarchy or imagined majority as a way to avoid seeing the ugliness in themselves. They have made patriotism and fearful intolerance the ground of who they are. The need to engage in psychotic struggles with safe targets to distract themslevs from seeing that they are failing as people. The dependance and insecurity many of them have acquired from their parents and/or other violators could not be effectively replaced or deal with so they snuggle up to other authority figures. Many people on the radical right hate their own counties principles of tolerance and democracy (what America Stands for) while being in sympathy with its autocratic enemies; they share the same seething nature. False virtue is a plauge of the modern age, and many dysfunctional people with seething natures use high and virtuous sounding themes behind which they hide their compulisvely destructive natures. These people don't care as much about the country as they profess. James Madison said "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." These broken people are indentity compensation junkies, and behind the facade of a false love of country is a genuine misanthropy. The right has made a habit of promoting this sort of anger and projection crooning "there there. you are one of us, not them" and making these peoples fallen identities seem extra special and entitled to tear at the fabric of civilization to assuage their uncorrected insecurity. So some of the levee projects in New Orleans had been put off because of "economic" concerns. Now they want to rally around Bush who is a stand in for the father whose approval they pined for (The rational left is often projected upon as a threat to father figure autocrats who the currently childlike right seek to prop up with one zany emotional overture after another.) If you ever wondered why the protestors on the right tend to be flagwaving-psychotic and weak/mentally castrated it's because they usually had their identites broken by the alienation from a too weak/cruel father who forced them to give up their identities - who today is represented by the corporate state and a right leaning media that seeks to make any wrong a right and any moral a vice. We have these problems because this country has hardly any decent moral men or fathers anymore. So many guys sneak around looking for their own selfish interests, money etc. and their wives and communities hate their guts since ignorance is a mans main obstacle to being a moral human being (and truly being male) . The other extreme is the cruel men who presure everyone into conformity and we see their weak, kids psychotically protesting in the streets in virtual support of those in government who would kill them off - and they think they are heros because the media and Fox whack-jobs tell them they are. We are in serious poo now.

Re:well, here's a cynical explanation

[Anonymous Coward]

i hate you and want to kill you. you moron.

Re:I don't believe Sonar hurts whales

[bungo]

      Never mind the fact active Sonar is the best way to catch a diesel powered submarine. Never mind the fact almost every country in the world has diesel submarines, including Iran.

So what is your purpose of stating that?

Are you trying to scare people in to believing that a diesel electrics from places like Iran have the range and capability to make it to the US?

You must know full well that the range and ability of diesel electrics limit their operating areas to mostly coastal locations.

Geez... so those Iranians are going to be able to attack the US of A with their weapons of mass destruction via diesel submarines!

Very emotive.

You should consider getting a job in the White House.