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Internet is Killing the Newspaper

jose parinas writes "MediaDailyNews is reporting that 2005 will go down as one of the worst newspaper years in history, and 2006 doesn't look promising. Online media is continuously generating more readership and ad dollars, but currently only accounts for 5% of total newspaper revenues."

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  1. What do you expect? by rscoggin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does it really matter? Most newspapers offer much (if not all) of their content online. All that matters is ad revenue, and they can even get around the cost of printing and distribution if they publish to the web. I see a transition, not a death.

    1. Re:What do you expect? by Yehooti · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Was the time, recently actually, when I had to start my day with the newspaper. Too many late deliveries, and I discovered that with my laptop, I could still sit on the throne in the morning and read the latest news. Out went the paper (that part anyway). They still bug me regularly to subscribe again, but not a chance.

    2. Re:What do you expect? by plover · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's all pulpwood, grown expressly for the purpose of becoming newsprint. It's a farm crop, like corn or beans. And much of the newsprint is recycled, making it even less of an issue.

      I'm not saying electronic delivery isn't much less of an expense (both in terms of resources and energy to make and deliver them), I'm just saying that it's not like anyone is denuding virgin forests of 200-year-old trees just to make a few bird cage liners.

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    3. Re:What do you expect? by porksoda · · Score: 2, Interesting

      newspapers are not a waste. junk mail adverts are a waste.

    4. Re:What do you expect? by Daxster · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's all pulpwood, grown expressly for the purpose of becoming newsprint. It's a farm crop, like corn or beans.


      I won't deny that you have a point of newspapers using recycled paper, but I live in an area that has most profits generated from pulp mills and logging. Simply put - the trees are not on a farm, they're first-growth temperate rainforest trees. Although selective logging has been introduced, the logging companies and pulp mills are interested in profits, so many areas are clearcut when they can't be seen by the public (remote areas behind mountains, etc).
      Newspapers do use a lot of resources :-(
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    5. Re:What do you expect? by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Funny

      no, junk mail subsidizes my mail costs.

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    6. Re:What do you expect? by ctr2sprt · · Score: 3, Insightful
      They won't all die, just the bad ones. Which is, frankly, fine by me. After ten years of reading nothing but The Wall Street Journal, The Boston Globe (sports section), and The New York Times, I can't stand anything else. The writing is just so abysmally poor that I throw the paper down in disgust ten seconds after picking it up.

      Quality stuff will always survive in some form. I'm least worried about the WSJ, which is probably the smallest of the three papers I read. As you'd expect from a business-oriented newspaper, they got their business model straight from the get-go, and they've done very well with it - as of 2002, they were the most popular subscription service on the Internet.

      - Obviously a happy subscriber to WSJ.com, but nothing more.

    7. Re:What do you expect? by Joe+Random · · Score: 2, Informative
      Simply put - the trees are not on a farm, they're first-growth temperate rainforest trees.
      They may not be on a traditional farm-type piece of land, but they usually are replanted after harvesting, and the same location is re-harvested whenever possible. So the grandparent was right when he stated that pulpwood is a farm crop.

      And I don't see what clearcutting has to do with it. As long as it's not a eyesore (and you state that it's usually done in remote areas) then it generally makes sense to harvest all of the crop of trees. The only exception I can think of is that, in some circumstances, erosion might be worsened by clearcutting. However, as you said, many companies are now practicing selective logging, probably for that exact reason.
    8. Re:What do you expect? by tlyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think there are a few reasons newspapers' decline does matter: 1) Sure, the paper editions are being replaced by websites run by the same publishers. But the ad rates are way, way lower online, and no paper has yet shown how to create enough of a revenue stream from online ads to fund the operations of the newspaper. I can't see any developments on the horizon that will make online ads pay all that much more than they do now. The Wall Street Journal is making it work, but with a (pricy) subscription. 2) Many online-only news operations don't really do very much, or any, original reporting (Slashdot included, of course). Much of the online news world depends on the basic facts (and many times, analysis) provided by people in the print media. If the Washington Post has to scale down because its circulation dries up, there'll be a lot less info for online sources covering national politics to work with.

    9. Re:What do you expect? by bm_luethke · · Score: 4, Informative

      I live in an area (I live near Clahoun, Tennessee) that creates a large amount of pulpwood for newspapers and is farmed. In fact, I believe the company is the largest producer of newspaper pulp in the US (at least it was a few years back - I don't really neep up with it or anything).

      The company is called bowaters and owns several million acres of property. It is some of the best hunting lands in the state for pretty much all our local wildlife (and feral wildlife also). While yes, they clear cut if they aquire new property, and always clear cut when they harvest, the replanting of the trees is about as dense as can be sustained and is GREAT for wildlife - again one of the top hunting areas in the state with both large mature animals taken and a large yearly bag limit (and it's quite expensive to hunt as well).

      They allow independant and govt forresters to view thier managment and make suggestions - they even usually follow them also.

      I don't know what company you are near, but it is insane to purchase old growth forrest for wood pulp. It takes specific types of trees to make and old growth forrests are not very dense. Pulp manufacturers only purchase them if they need more land, and in many cases what they do with the land is beneficial for the local wildlife in the long term. Basically old growth is horrid for paper pulp - though it is generally good for expensive lumber because of the size of boards that can be harvested.

      About the worst that can be said is that the place stinks real bad when you are not used to it and the gasses released, while not damaging, make a fog so thick that you can not see past the end of the hood on your car (literally). When conditions are right it can creep out over the interstate and has caused some of the largest wrecks in US history.

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    10. Re:What do you expect? by madfgurtbn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The reason is simple, they will not server their customers. They continue to publish crappy articles usually against any decent enterprise and as such lose their readers daily.

      It's not so much that the articles are crappy (although they often are), it's that the newspapers publishers do not grok the internets. It's the "horseless carriage" mentality, but now it's "online newspaper". Ask yourself why would a newspaper post one single picture of an event on it's website? The answer: because it's expensive to print pictures on paper.

      The television station websites also suffer the same mentality-- let's put up a website that will have exactly the same content that we broadcast on television.

      Anyone who spends any amount of time on Slashdot already knows this, but the internet is different than a t.v. or a newspaper. Therefore, it should have a different type of content. On the internet there are no constraints on how long an article or new clip can be, no limit on the number of photos, no reason you can't post raw video or audio along with the typical edited clips so that people who are interested in a subject can see more indepth coverage.

      And why don't tv networks have continuous or near-continuous live feeds on their websites from some of the events they cover. I bet >99% of all the video that is fed to the stations or networks is never broadcast. Why not make it available on the web? Most of it will be pointless and boring, but I might tune in occasionally to see long videos of, say, US soldiers working in Iraq or watch raw footage of someone driving around a hurricane damage zone, etc.

      Another idea-- post video of all archival broadcasts and footage on the website so people can watch old news if they want.

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    11. Re:What do you expect? by schmelter_tim · · Score: 2, Informative
      On the internet there are no constraints on how long an article or new clip can be, no limit on the number of photos, no reason you can't post raw video or audio along with the typical edited clips so that people who are interested in a subject can see more indepth coverage.
      [Disclaimer: I work for a metro newspaper in the online department, and these opinions are mine, not necessarily reflective of any editorial policies, etc, etc.]

      When I first started at the newspaper, I believed exactly as you did--no reason you can't post the entire story, with lots of extra content that couldn't make it into the paper, but there are actually a number of practical limits that make that infeasible:

      • Longer stories take more of a reporter's time to craft. As with most organizations, the single biggest expense a newspaper has is payroll
      • Even "raw" video, photos, etc. take some resources to process: time & bandwidth being chief among them
      • One of the benefits any news organization brings to its readership is editorial decision-making: This is what we think is important today. Yes, it's inherently biased and favors certain types of stories over others. But as has been proven time and again, if information wants to be free, it will be posted, and if people find it important and relevant, that information will be read.

      But the single biggest eye-opener for me, and one that cured me of thinking "just post it all!" was our readership numbers. The online features that draw the biggest readership numbers are web-exclusive photo galleries of our local college football team. Top viewed stories every day during football season? Stories relating to that team. Admittedly, I live in Texas, where football is the state religion, but the readers vote with their mice, and the mice are saying "Give us pretty pictures of football, please!"

      Newspapers are one part community service and one part business. If the community is obviously overwhelmingly interested in a certain kind of content, then more resources will gravitate toward providing that content.

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  2. The real question is... by Enzo+the+Baker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    does this result in people being more or less informed? Or are people fooling themselves if they believe that they are well informed by either source?

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    1. Re:The real question is... by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd say people end up being far more informed. Major newspapers will never present worthwhile news, because it is too costly for them. They most likely will not report on the misdeeds of major advertisers. Likewise, in America especially, if they question the administration they'll immediately lose their press access. Thus all they can do is put out bullshit, and hope that people continue to buy their papers. But it looks like people are catching on, and thus people aren't buying their papers.

      Then again, many news websites are not as tied up. They can offer viewpoints that the major papers could never think of presenting. Even if their news is incorrect, it still may provoke thought in its readers, perhaps enough for them to investigate other news sources, and hence to make up their own mind based on the information they can obtain.

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    2. Re:The real question is... by letchhausen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the one hand I think that the idea that bad information can have good results is pretty rose-tinted to say the least. On the other hand the internet has consolidated access to alternative media which is a good thing and can lead to a more informed populace. Of course the internet is full of the same slanted and opinionated crap that you see everywhere else so it can lead to an utterly mis-informed populace. And your statements about the mainstream media are pretty spot on, of course since I would tend to read those online I don't really see a difference there in medium. Same lies different venue. In the end one can get the inside scoop from either Rush Limbaugh's blog or Al Franken's depending on the already formed predilections. Or better yet, CowboyNeal's.......

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    3. Re:The real question is... by Mad+Hughagi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At the end of the day everything is only a collective hunch, and if you are trusting an editor to determine what you will read I don't think you will be less aware of the major issues.

      Informed by which metric? Shouldn't the government radio address be all I need?
      Newspapers only print a particular set of wires, and they primarily exist to make advertising money. This is not concordant with my interests, so for me they are less informative.

      I had an inane Toronto Star telemarketer yell at me once. I told her I only read online, she claims I'm half-informed and asks me if I'm proud of being ignorant. She must have been psychic.

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    4. Re:The real question is... by Rayonic · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Likewise, in America especially, if they question the administration they'll immediately lose their press access.

      The New York Times and the Washington Post have lost their press access?

      Or did you mean that both papers have never been critical of the current administration?
    5. Re:The real question is... by SnarfQuest · · Score: 3, Funny

      They most likely will not report on the misdeeds of major advertisers. Likewise, in America especially, if they question the administration they'll immediately lose their press access.

      Quick, replace your tin foil hat! The foil taped over the window is coming loose! The spy satellites are going for your rectal implants!

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  3. Immediate Access by dduardo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would I pay for yesterday's news? The internet and televsion are giving me immediate access to news which makes newspapers somewhat obsolete.

    1. Re:Immediate Access by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why would I pay for yesterday's news?

            Yeah! And on some special websites, you can read the same news several days in a row! Sometimes after months!

    2. Re:Immediate Access by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 4, Funny

      Still, I do enjoy sitting on the back porch in the morning with a newspaper in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other. The Internet is way too heavy to read on the back porch.

    3. Re:Immediate Access by Jason1729 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My wireless notebook weighs less than a typical newspaper does these days.

    4. Re:Immediate Access by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think there needs to be some work on formatting and ads.
      The formatting of news web sites seem to leave a lot to be desired. For one, look at CNN.com, for any given page, the actual article is less than 1/4th of the page, the rest is split between an asinine site navigation system and ads.

      Ads in a newspaper aren't anywhere nearly as intrusive as on the Internet. No newspaper ad bounces, flash, shake, spin, spawns popups or any crap like that. Newspaper ads don't try to leave cookies, tracks IP or otherwise grab and store information without telling me. I block all that stuff, but it's still a surprise when I use other computers.

    5. Re:Immediate Access by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depth and medium.

      Television is no substitute for a newspaper, at least not if the newpapers were doing their jobs correctly. TV news simply doesn't get you the depth that you get in a newspaper. Part of that is due to the nature of the medium and part of it is because the people producing news programs are more interested in flash than in content. (Yes, I know it's because that's what sells. Consumers are generally dumb and the TV folks are happy to go that route rather to trying to be decent journalists.)

      The internet is a good substitute, provided you are smart enough to read reputable sources. (In other words, the same basic people as the ones who print newspapers, only putting the text online instead.) But that doesn't seem to be the draw away from the printed papers. Also, I (and many others) would much rather read a physical piece of paper than a computer screen. I work at a computer 9+ hours a day, typically, but I hate reading significant stretches of text off that screen. I prefer something solid. I can't really articulate why, but I just can't manage the computer screen well.

    6. Re:Immediate Access by sootman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I pay $40/year for my local Sunday paper, mostly for the ads. I buy enough gadgets through the year that the paper pays for itself a few times over. (I buy things when the price is good, and the occasional great sale means I can get a hard drive or whatever for less than I could online. Plus: no shipping, easier returns, see it in person before I buy it, get it the same day, etc etc etc.)

      That said, I always end up finding a few things to read and usually wind up spending a couple hours with it. It's quiet and calm and a nice change not to be sitting up looking at a screen for another couple hours. Sure, it may not be great for up-to-the-second news, but I don't care about that anyway. There's always some neat articles about local stuff, vacations, homes, etc. Browsing slashdot and the rest gets old after a while and it's a nice change of pace to find some unexpected neat thing that *doesn't* have to do with technology, Google, MS, Apple, or My Rights Online--and to do it in a nice, quiet, analog fashion.

      Oh yeah, one other great thing about newspapers: no animated ads. :-)

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    7. Re:Immediate Access by nharmon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Newspapers are okay, but magazines are horrible for splitting stories up with advertisements.

    8. Re:Immediate Access by Viper233 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I could swear this comment is a dupe...

  4. I still pay for the paper. by rtphokie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet I read a lot more of them. I dont think I'm in the minority either. The local paper is the only way I get local news anymore. The local TV news is so inane I cant take it.

  5. Sure it's the Interenet? by Cheapy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe it's simply apathy for the news? I'm constantly amazed at how clueless people are towards the current events of the day. If the internet is to blame, surely SOME people would know of events going on?

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    1. Re:Sure it's the Interenet? by diablomonic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      in my case, I have a hard time watching/reading any political news, due to it PISSING ME OFF with all the BULLSHIT that occurs all the time, with nothing much I can do about it. Even though I still read/watch it every now and the, my point is that im not so much apathetic as frustrated with many world events, it stresses me out too much worrying about it, so i tend to avoid it. Even so, since im basically a net addict, I still know a lot more of whats going on than most other people I know (and definately more than anyone I know in the tech trend area).

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  6. Who cares? by bleckywelcky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only people who read newspapers regularly are those who have made a habit out of it their entire life. I still catch the paper once in a while if it looks like they might have an interesting article. But for all your current news, the newspaper is a day late and $0.50 too expensive. Why pay for info that I can get from my computer for free? Unless it is very locally specific news.

    1. Re:Who cares? by jangobongo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I live in the Phoenix area which is served by the Arizona Republic. Their excellent online version carries all the same stories that the print one does.

      I just set my Yahoo RSS reader to list their news, business, community, and offbeat sections and it gives me the top ten stories for each main section of the paper (at least, the ones that I'm interested in). I can scan the headlines and brief intro to see if I would like to read more in depth and I find much more relevant local news that way. I never waste my time on television news unless there is some national breaking news story being covered by the news channels.

      If there is breaking local news, the RSS is updated, and I usually read about it long before it makes it to the print version. We get the paper every day, but it's a complete waste for me because I get much more news from the online version.

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    2. Re:Who cares? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why pay for info that I can get from my computer for free?

      Simple. Because you can read it while you're waiting for or sitting on the bus. I wouldn't be suprised to discover public transit to be the number one motivation behind newspaper sales.

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    3. Re:Who cares? by pomo+monster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, for one thing, if you're trapped in a crush of strangers on a downtown train 8 a.m. Monday morning, you'll have an easier time burying your head in A.M. New York than trying to fold your WiFi-equipped laptop over your face. And plenty of people just plain hate reading text onscreen, what with the terrible resolution and contrast inferior even to newsprint. There's always the convenience and superior presentation that makes print an attractive choice.

      That said, as internet delivery matures, it'll no longer make sense to keep printing classifieds, job/real estate listings, and things of that nature. These are all are better served online. Detailed news coverage, too, will move off the printed page. You'll pick up a print edition for the morning commute with summaries of the day's news and events, and after you arrive at work, you'll go online to check out the full story, context, related articles, and updates.

      With that in mind, I predict that papers with an urban readership (NY Times, London Times, Mainichi Shimbun) will begin offering tabloid-format editions--magazine-style folding, that is, as opposed to broadsheet--simply because it's more convenient for the commute. These will shift to summary/teaser form, as nobody's going to be reading them for anything more than to pass the time and to find out what they have to look forward to online. It's easy enough to find up-to-the-minute headlines and detailed reports in a city environment, anyways (web, outdoor news tickers, taxicab LCDs).

      God knows I'd appreciate a tabloid edition of the Times. Stick the crossword on the back page and I'm set for the commute home too.

    4. Re:Who cares? by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pah! Haven't these people heard they can download the news to their PDAs. 1 year of the NY Times would probably pay for a suitable PDA.

  7. Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by CyricZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Truly, it is the newspapers who are killing themselves. Why is that? Because the quality of the reporting has dropped off substantially.

    Take the New York Times. Between that Blair guy and now Miller, they've been shown to be nothing but a hack paper. Any newspaper that did not immediately point out the numerous lies of so many British and American politicians with regards to the ongoing war in Iraq falls into the same boat.

    Intelligent people aren't going to pay money for ads and bullshit stories. And it's intelligent people who tend to read newspapers.

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    1. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Intelligent people aren't going to pay money for ads and bullshit stories. And it's intelligent people who tend to read newspapers.
      Really? A typical story is probably written at a reading level to accomodate a 10 year old. The intelligent people forego the shallow drivel of the syndicated press and get the information as close to the source as possible. Which would you rather read, the science and tech section of your local rag, or the links directly to the trade publications and institutions that you find in a /. posting?
    2. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by shanen · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hear, hear, and a insightful mod to that post.

      However, the lousy quality of the reporting isn't the only thing that's killing the newspapers. I think that they are in a death trap of reader selectivity. Since most people only believe what they want to believe, do you really expect them to pay to read other stuff, too? From that perspective, it's only natural for the Internet to slaughter the newspapers. Not just because the Web is faster and cheaper, but because search engines make it easy to find the stuff that agrees with what you want to believe. No cognitive dissonance there!

      To give you a convenient concrete example, if you dislike Bush, just do a news search for "Dubya", and you're pretty sure to see plenty of disrespect. All you need is to learn the appropriate buzzwords for what you want to see, and voila, that's what you see.

      Actually, I like to sample several of the extreme positions, because the truth is most often somewhere in the middle. However, that's another strike against newspapers, in my opinion, since most of them are pretty uniform. An enormous part of the content comes straight off the wire, and the rest of it tends to be whatever the publisher likes.

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    3. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most people don't have the time nor the resources to subscribe to multiple scientific/specialty journals, nor do they have time to attend parliament on a daily basis, or even to read the parliamentary transcripts.

      That said, that's no excuse for newspapers to report blatantly false information. Going back to the example of the Iraqi invasion, every newspaper of any credibility should have torn Powell's UN presentation to pieces. It has nothing to do with politics. It just has to do with the fact that they're there to report fact, and thus the correct thing for them to do when presented with lies is to point out those lies for what they are.

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    4. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by pomo+monster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So where do you get your news, Indymedia? Please.

      If it's a balanced and comprehensive understanding of current issues you want, it's a mistake to rely on any one source of news, any one perspective--if only because people will attack you for your choice. For the record, I'll spend my time flipping between the NY Times, the Economist, Salon, the Village Voice, the NY Observer, NewsMax, CNN, and Fox News, and I find that's a salad that works for me. But no matter what you're reading, approach your sources critically and you'll probably do much better at understanding what's important to you.

    5. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Funny

      I get all my news from a mix of Slashdot, Fark, and a selection of blogs written by 19 year old college coeds. Can't say I'm all that well informed, exactly, but the webcams keep me happy.

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    6. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by TheStonepedo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The internet can be used to seek reliable, unbiased information. Nearly every newspaper in the US covers both liberal and conservative issues, yet its publishers send their checks to the same party year after year when campaign time rolls around. Most US news sources put a spin on current events to write stories and make a few more dollars. I read BBC news online because its news seems straightforward and mostly unbiased. Unless people are dying overseas, national or even local news get the front-and-center on newspapers in the US. I think it is fabulous that the Chi Sox broke their curse, but the world didn't stop spinning for them to do so. Something about a change in the world should be on the front page, not a report on the last game of this year's most successful team in a privately-ownded sporting league.

      Regarding television news, it has nearly always been a joke. It is a part of the sensory overload so many people have come to expect. The news does not change because a camera is thrown into the mix. People could be informed quite well by a news reader lecturing with a few slides as visual aids, but that would fail to get the ratings of watching packages. I have seen CNN, Fox News, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSN, and too many other TV news networks to mention all blowing hours at a time watching "suspicious packages" left in transit stations on a live feed. On the off chance that something does go awry, they'll get the best camera angle on the carnage and perhaps make some more money from ads and good ratings.

      So long as newspaper and TV news prefer sensationalism to reporting, people who want information are going to look elsewhere. This may be one of the "worst newspaper years" in the US simply because the US does the worst job covering news.

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    7. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's worse than you think. We've been drifting back towards party-endorsed newspapers for longer than I've been alive.

      You think freedom of the press has always been about keeping an informed public? Originally, the first ammendment was excepted because each politician knew he didn't want his party's newspapers silenced when his party wasn't in power.

      However, I'll take the occasional hack journalist over state-controlled media any day. It's better to be a lemming with good vision than a horse with blinders on.

    8. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper. by sinewalker · · Score: 3, Interesting
      it's a mistake to rely on any one source of news
      I agree whole-heartedly!

      Of course, this is an observation that is new to the "mainstream" of our generation. Many people in my parent's generation would only "trust" one source. Indeed, most television news programs and newspapers still advertise themselves today as "your most trusted news source" as if it is a good thing to only focus on one!

      I feel this is a reflection on our increased education, more than it is about the internet, or even the quality of newspapers (which has declined markedly in the last 10 years). More people with university education (completed or not) means that more people understand your observation of the importance of a varied news source.

      It means more people recognise that present-day journalist are either hacks, or payed-for schills of whichever "cause" the story is supporting (it used to be that papers reported facts, not "stories").

      This is compounded by the Internet, because people are finding it easier to get alternate views from sources besides their "trusted" newspapers. And as they learn that, in fact, you can't trust your newspapers, they turn to whatever source that they feel they can trust.

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  8. Efficiency by Jesus+IS+the+Devil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The world gravitates toward efficiency. Instant delivery, little cost, up-to-date. How can newspapers compete?

    Yellow pages are dying horrible deaths too, and I'm loving every minute of it. Just look at how these online yellow pages are trying to force ads and sponsored listings on the first page, making it ridiculously difficult to get local results you really want. Then look at how quickly you can find something via a search engine.

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    1. Re:Efficiency by prockcore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Instant delivery, little cost, up-to-date. How can newspapers compete?

      Investigative reporting. That's still where the newspaper outpaces all other forms of news.

      The hardcopy might go away, but newspapers have their own websites.

    2. Re:Efficiency by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Investigative reporting. That's still where the newspaper outpaces all other forms of news.

      Except that they don't do that now, and probably won't in the future. Doing so to a professional degree would certainly cause severe annoyance to various advertisers and politicians. Soon enough ad space isn't bought, and press credentials are revoked. Then they're really fucked.

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    3. Re:Efficiency by prockcore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that they don't do that now, and probably won't in the future.

      While there certainly is less and less investigative reporting (much to my dismay, reporting current events is something for the AP wire), it does still exist.

      I can think of two recent examples from my local paper alone. One is how DHS lied about how many people die crossing the border and how their numbers don't match up with the actual recorded deaths. Congress actually ended up using the newspaper's database to show how DHS was playing fast and loose with the numbers.

      The other one is a report on how inaccurate the local gas pumps are. They claim they output a gallon but they really shortchange you. There was even a nice little map that showed which stations were the worst and by how much.

      Bloggers are fairly lazy. They won't hound their local city government for raw data... if it's not on google, then it doesn't exist.

  9. Reading in real world ... by calvin1981 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... sucks. What sort of reading is it if I cant even grep.

  10. Giveaways by tooth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is why the major papers in .au always give away "free" stuff with their weekend papers. The latest trend is Music CDs.

  11. The two aren't mutually exclusive by Audent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here at Computerworld New Zealand we have both a paper edition (weekly) and a daily online service http://www.computerworld.co.nz/ and I like to think they serve different readers in different ways.

    Take a breaking news story (HP buys Compaq is my favourite example). We ran a BREAKING NEWS thing on the site immediately. We ran a follow-up story later that day with industry reaction (such as it was) also online. The next morning we had the customer comments/expectations story online, while most daily newspapers here were only just running the equivalent of our first story.

    By the time our weekly print edition came out we had a full round-up of comment locally plus international expectations etc for a more rounded view.

    That's the best approach I feel. Break news online (with attendant email alerts, SMS alerts or whatever you've got going) with more detailed relfective stuff in print.

    This isn't new - print had to cope with radio beating it to news and TV (film at eleven!) doing what we couldn't do. What print does well is take a step back and offer a critical analytical assessment. In depth stuff. Well, that's what print SHOULD do well.

    The two aren't mutually exclusive - print and online can co-exist quite nicely thank you. You add immediacy to your print edition with online. You add depth to your online edition through print. Different readers are served in different ways.

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    1. Re:The two aren't mutually exclusive by globalar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. The key is editing, summary, and analysis. We should also add investigation, when that still happens.

      The Internet is great for instant information, opinions, and huge amounts of both. But it is very spotty when it comes to analysis, SNR, and summary. Typically, it takes a little time for information to be properly filtered and recommunicated. This delay allows print publications time to catch up and this material can still be placed on the web later. Fundamentally, the act of publication forces information to be cut down, crap to be thrown out, and resources to be focused. There are papers that do this well and some that do it very poorly.

      An excellent example is the Economist. I can find virtually every piece of information from that publication through some other channel before the print edition hits a stand. I do not, however, have the time to summarize, anaylze, and edit as the Economist does. Nothing in that publication is revolutionary or, in fact, beyond what I could generate. But it saves me countless hours of research.

  12. Yep by Andrew+Tanenbaum · · Score: 2, Funny

    I get all of my news from blogs, and I haven't looked at a single thing in print since Web 2.0 came out.

  13. Three uses by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Look smart in airport

    2. Cover head in rain

    3. It's better than nothing when you run out of TP.

    **stop cutting down trees for what ammounts to voyeurism and blatant stupidity!***

    Tom

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  14. Same old song by theantipop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Video killed the radio star, etc.

  15. Needs more cowbell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    A more creative title might have been, "Internet killed the Daily Star".

  16. "Growth" is flat, so try innovating by jbarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, I'm certainly no economist, but so what? The article says that the growth is flat. Companies and industries that expect constant growth are kidding themselves. There are bound to be flat and negative growth periods in all industries. Maybe it's time that they start looking for better innovation like, oh, I don't know, real reporting instead of the biased, sensationalistic, editorial spin that has crept in over the last couple decades. It used to be that news was reported, not opinionated and editorialized at every chance. I would take printed news (or any news for that matter) a lot more seriously if it gave the facts instead of trying to sway me.

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  17. Is the newspaper still a practical business model? by greyjoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As they are, newspapers rely on two sources of revenue: direct sale and advertising sponsorship. With the advent of the Internet, information is free -- and newspapers, in order to remain relevant, must offer their articles for the same price or risk the certainty of readers going to a free competitor.

    Unfortunately, doing so completely wipes out their subscription base. And I doubt advertising alone will be enough to sustain high-end staffs such as (despite an earlier criticism of the paper in this feedback) those on The New York Times. It'll be interesting to see if, or when, major papers shut down because they lose too much money investigating stories -- or if, more likely, they simply downgrade to the usual nonsense of hyping a murder trial or a missing white woman. Either way, however great a revolution the Internet may be for widespread communication and education, I mourn for what seems the eventual demise of professional journalism. Does anyone want a future of Fox News-caliber media?

    Still, at least in my opinion, the good that is free and instant and widespread information weighs out the evil of such losses.

  18. Newspaper != news paper by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Traditionally, the newspapers were there to deliver news. Now by the time people read stuff in the papaers they have already been exposed to TV, radio and cnn.com. Therefor newspapers look more and more to providing alternative commentary. Essentially they're getting more and more like weekly womens' magazines but targeted towards a wider audience.

    Already TV news is less about news and more about entertainment. The paper is getting more like that too. There are so many media channels etc competing for peoples free time (== entertainment time) that the news has to be entertaining and gripping rather than factual.

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    1. Re:Newspaper != news paper by DennyK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only chance newspapers have of surviving is to provide some sort of "alternative commentary". Open a typical newspaper today, and what do you see? A bunch of national news, most of it compiled or simply copied directly from the wire services, and maybe a couple of local interest articles. Much of their content just covers the four Ws (who, what, when, where) and stops there. That was a fine approach a decade ago when newspapers would be the most up-to-date news source that most people had access to, aside from television and radio newscasts which usually provide even less detail. However, it just doesn't work today. Why am I going to pay a good chunk of money every month for a newspaper that consists mostly of ads and stuff from the AP or Reuters that I already read word-for-word on CNN.com the day before?

      Basically, newspapers are going to have to provide something besides stale wire reports and three-paragraph news articles. More focus on local news and issues would be a start. Forget the national news; most people already get that from other sources long before it's published in a newspaper. Stick with the local stuff, the things people won't find anywhere except their hometown paper. If you are going to cover a national news story, go beyond the four Ws. Have your reporters do some more in-depth analysis or investigation. Basically, give people something they can't find ten thousand identical copies of at news.google.com.

  19. Interesting that classified is UP in newspapers by CatOne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would think stuff like Craig's List would slaughter it. So much more dynamic, so much easier to get the word out (and very effectively in large markets like the SF Bay Area -- not sure how good it is elsewhere)... and FREE.

    There are times I think a newspaper is great -- on a train, on an airplane, or when I want to sit outside in the sun with a cup of coffee. So for relaxing news delivery. But most of the time, web sites (or, even better, RSS feeds) are just so much more timely. And with RSS, I can get the headlines from a few sources, so when one site cock-blocks me by invalidating my BugMeNot login (cough, FY NYT!), I can read the article elsewhere, or just be content with the title.

  20. Dead Tree Edition by MDMurphy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Newspapers can still be around, they just need to evolve. They've got the reporters and researchers, so they're in a good position for reporting detailed stories with more depth than TV can do in a 30 second blurb. Seeing a story in the conext of previous weeks or months of background articles is also easier with text than dozens of clips of newspeople reading short snippets on-air.

    It's the dead tree versions that don't make as much sense. Lots of people don't want yesterday's news. But no reason that a well written newspaper can't write a web version just as well.

    And the thick Sunday version with the sale ads and magazines are still popular. So they don't need to retire the presses. But basing your entire business model around delivering paper to porches, yeah, that'd dead.

  21. it's "old" by the time you read it by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think one of the reasons for the downfall of the newspaper, is that for the "daily" morning paper to make it to your door by the time you get up in the morning, it has to be put to bed by midnight, so it can be delivered to the areas. If the "breaking news" or headlines are different by say 7am, the internet will have up to date "news", making the print version obsolete.

  22. Re:Newspaper is killing the newspaper by shmlco · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "In the story that we ran on 18th.."

    On the flip side, a major disadvantage of the web is mutability. How do I know that link to the story on the 18th is actually the same text that ran on the 18th? Heck, how do I know that you and I are reading the same article today?

    For an interesting, behind the scenes look at things, one company I worked for had a news site, and part of the content came from Reuters. Part of the tagging in the news stream indicated "updated" versions of the same articles, that you were REQUIRED to replace.

    If you pay attention to breaking stories on Yahoo, you can see the articles morph and change during the day...

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  23. Bad news for everybody by codemangler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Newspapers are cutting staff left and right. That means fewer reporters producing fewer stories, and that means fewer reasons for people to buy newspapers. Which will force even more downsizing.

    What's worse is the effect this will have on all media. TV and radio stations already have very slim news staffs. They rely on newspaper stories as the starting point for many of their own stories. As do magazines. And this will affect blogs as well, as they usually write about what's been published elsewhere.

    News starts with reporters, and most of them work for newspapers.

    More people might prefer to read their news on the Internet, but with newspapers declining, there simply won't be as many stories to read.

    1. Re:Bad news for everybody by idlake · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More people might prefer to read their news on the Internet, but with newspapers declining, there simply won't be as many stories to read.

      Do you seriously believe that people all of a sudden lose interest in what's going on in the world and in their community just because some highly paid NYT reporter is laid off from his cushy job? Because photographs are made with $200 digicams by amateurs, instead of $8000 SLR cameras wielded by Pulitzer-prize hungry press photographers trying to find the artistically most compelling composition and most disturbing photograph? I don't think so.

      What this will do is give a larger audience to non-traditional media and reporting, and I think that's a good thing. In the pre Internet days, the press was important and far better than nothing at all, but nowadays, newspapers and newspaper staff are an anachronism and should be abolished. The market is doing just that.

  24. Internet is Killing the Newspaper by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No.

    Radio threatened the Newspaper and took it's lunch money.

    Broadcast TV beat it up.

    Cable News kicked it while it was down (and then beat it up some more)

    The internet is just finishing the job. The Newspaper has been killed by 3 previous mediums, and now a fourth is doing it. Newspapers will never go away, but they will never be what they were in before the 1950s again. As others have pointed out, Newspapers aren't what they used to be as the quality has declined and they are trying to more and more like gossip rags and 24 hour news channels which get printed once per day. Solid investigative reporting would keep them alive easily, instead we get AP wire reprints (which I already heard summarized on the radio and saw analyzed on TV). Now I can cut out the middle man and read these things off the wire online. Why do I need the paper for that.

    And with wire stories like "New flash: President says he will name a new supreme court nominee at some point in the future" (there was one somewhat like that recently), I can't say much for their reporting.

    Papers need to reorganize themselves and the kind of things they write/print if they want to become anything more than another local magazine. I'm sorry, but Newspapers are not in a good state right not (then again, neither is TV news).

    The NYT is not "the paper of record" anymore, Edward R. Morrow and Walter Cronkite are gone from the in front of the camera. The entire news industry seems to be in a major crisis. They lost sight of reporting by realizing that they could just be the first to tell you something. 24 hour news channels hastened that problem. The internet and cell phones have taken it to it's logical conclusion.

    I hope this all turns out well in a few years. I was getting mad at many of the magazines I used to love (gamer and computer magazines including GamePro, Nintendo Power, EGM, PC World, etc.) have fallen into the same trap so I've stopped reading most of them (I can get that info online for free, faster). I recently started reading a good magazine full of intelligent, insightful, and well researched articles: Forbes (yeah, different genre of magazines, but still). Newspapers (and TV news) need to go back to the same thing. They are all in a format of "Let's take that 1 minute news summary we did at the top of the hour and try to stretch it to 30 minutes" kind of "journalism", merged with "infotaiment" like Entertainment Tonight into one large affront to the intelligence of everyone.

    I hope things turn out well. In the mean time, I will just continue to avoid more and more news sources as they get worse and worse. Some are still good. NPR had FANTASTIC, JOURNALISTIC coverage and analysis of Justice Robert's hearings. I learned a TON about the process and many other things by listening to their clips of the questioning with intelligent analysis and explanations. They're not always perfect, but they are one of the few left who even seem to try.

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  25. Things change. by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In other news, whale-oil lamp makers reported another year of disappointing revenues.

    -jcr

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  26. Too make matters worse, ... by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The last 5 years have seen all the media here become totally none critical of politicians. Prior to 9/11, the media would actually research and the print interesting news about the national and local politicians. Now, I have found that Al Jazeera/BBC does a better job of reporting on our national stuff than does Denver Post and Rocky mountain news (with Al Jazeera you have to treat it like Old Pravda/ Current fox news and be careful of propoganda). Sad state of affairs.

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  27. Write a Song by Ranger · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Internet Killed the Newspaper" doesn't have quite the same ring as "Video Killed the Radio Star." Of course newspaper will always have one advantage the Internet does not. You can always wipe your ass with it when you run out of toilet paper. Try that with a monitor.

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    "You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
  28. Does this include account Free (as in beer) papers by pseudosocrates · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Like many here no doubt, concurrent with pouring my morning coffee I check several sites. bbc.co.uk, theweathernetwork.com and football365.com. This gives me the means to decide if I should leave the house - if there's nuclear war, a hurricane or if City have lost I may well not do.

    That said, I read a paper newspaper daily. The Metro (metronews.ca) is a free (ad-supported) newspaper that offers me as much news as I can read daily - 45 minutes on the way to work - with less ads than the major (not-free) dailies. Ok the journalism may not be as highbrow and neutral as such publications as the WSJ (US), the Times (UK) or the Globe (CA) [/irony], but frankly I am capable of researching a story if something catches my eye. And it has a crossword and sudoku. It also focuses on the one aspect of news that is not well covered online which is my local (down to what happens on my street) news.

    The paper is not dead, nor will it be for the forseeable future, but the industry is undergoing (albeit more quietly) the same changes as the other major media - music and tv/film, and they need to find a new business model that can compete with the technological and revenue changes of the day.

    The metro has a readership of over 400,000 of Toronto's 20-35 (read disposable income) population. This is the kind of targeted marketing that Google is milking vast VC on right now. National bloatpapers may have had their day but the print-paper industry is far from dead. They just need to wake up.

    Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with any news dissemination organ, be it online, tree-based or otherwise

  29. Re:Making Excuses by pete6677 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Newspapers have been fat and happy for a long time. Most towns have 1 or 2 main papers which have never had a shortage of business. The money rolled in as long as they kept cranking out a paper each day; it didn't much matter what they put in it. Now that people have more options, they expect more. Not everybody needs a daily paper subscription to be informed about the news. In fact, as other posters have mentioned, printed news is stale by the time you read it.

    Any paper who wants to survive in the future needs to invest heavily in online content and NOT just make their website exactly like the printed paper. If news is presented online in a convenient format, they will have no shortage of page views and ad revenue. Otherwise they will shrivel up and die. I suspect most papers will survive but those that are stubbornly resistant to progress will die in the next 10 years or so.

  30. Epic 2014 by Headcase88 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Haven't seen this flash? You should... it's fun to watch.

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    "When the atomic bomb goes off there's devastation...but when the atomic bong goes off there's celebraaaaation!"
  31. Death for some... by fireboy1919 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see a transition, not a death.

    I live in Orlando, Florida. The local newspaper is called the Orlando Sentinel, a.k.a. the Slantinel. Their agenda-pushing sometimes makes our mud-slinging presidential candidates seem mild. In an internet full of freedom of choice, the Sentinel will most likely lose. People read it just because it's really the only local paper we've got.

    When everyone gets all their written news online, it'll die because it's so bad. I doubt it will be the only paper like this, and I doubt it'll die willingly and quietly for that matter. I expect it'll be fairly ugly. Lots of "the internet can rape your children, steal your soul, and cause you to gain 50 pounds" type stories.

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    1. Re:Death for some... by plover · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The thing is, with the loss of local diversity the world will end up with just a few giant news organizations, and there won't be anyone left to investigate the local news. Sure, much of their news is already syndicated so you're already reading a lot of national feeds, but if the Slantinel goes away, who is going to report any local news at all? Do you think Reuters will hire a full-time Orlando reporter? The Associated Press?

      They may be slanted but at least they're focused on news that's important to you. (And while they exist, you can at least pretend that someday they might investigate Hollings for his Mouske-ties.)

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    2. Re:Death for some... by cbr2702 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps people would go to local blogs for the information?

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    3. Re:Death for some... by Danger+Stevens · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Then some new wave of local news bloggers will form a syndicate that borrows from blogging and wiki technologies. There will be a demand for a single site that can link you to people reporting on news in your area and that demand will be filled.

      It's not hard to imagine that someone would report local news as a hobby and as a community service and even make some money by having their local hardware store sponsor them. The golden rule in blogging is to find a niche and dominate it, so this news form would actually be quite attractive to many bloggers. Local news won't die, not as long as hosting is cheap and ads are easy to come by.

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    4. Re:Death for some... by robertjw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing is, with the loss of local diversity the world will end up with just a few giant news organizations, and there won't be anyone left to investigate the local news.

      Here's a newsflash. This has already happened. Many newspapers in the US are owned by big companies that own multiple papers. Same thing with radio stations. I live in Colorado and even the two big Denver papers, The Denver Post and The Rocky Mountain News, are owned by the same company. I hope that the death of the newspaper will result in the creation of some local news websites that will increase the diversity of our news.

  32. Evolution by Da3vid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All things change. I think the Internet is a better medium for large scale information. At any rate, on a large scale, information is moving across the world. If anything embodies globalization, its the internet, and what better way to get news about the globe? However, I think that local newspaper may still survive. While they could certainly go to an online medium as well to save on distribution costs, they don't stand to gain as much as a larger scale news society.

    Can you imagine receiving a daily Slashdot mailing in your mailbox at home? Ridiculous

    -Da3vid-

  33. Can't trust the papers... by sinewalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does "mainstream media" think blogging is such a huge hit? It's not that Internet is immediate, or that anyone can do it (which has big down-sides as well as it's egalitarian advantages). It is simply that people everywhere are fed-up with WWII-era propagandists telling us what to believe and have started researching it for themselves.

    This is the Information Revolution: the Revolution is greatly improved access to the information. People are more educated now than they were 50 or even 20 years ago and can make informed judgements. They don't need some "journalist" to do it for them. This is quite appart form the fact that today's journalism is extremely poor compared to yester-year's.

    I don't buy papers because I know that I can't trust them to bring me news in an unbiased, non-politically or commercially influenced fashion, or full of Tabloid rubbish like British newspapers. I accept the risk that the news I learn via the Net can be from the "uninformed" masses and mitigate this by using many sources so I can judge for myself where the "truth" may lay.

    I won't even read over people's shoulders anymore.

    For at least the last 10 years, newspapers have been good for only one thing: the ink used in newspaper presses is fantastic for removing streaks and smudges from my computer monitor!

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  34. Sad but True? by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I know for me, the internet is killing newspapers, and magazines, too, for that matter. The only thing I still do is read the papers I get for free (your local free-press Cityview-type papers), mainly because I can't take the internet with me to the john. But I really miss the Scientific American, Smithsonian, and US News & World Report I used to subscribe to. I simply didn't renew them when I moved, and it makes no sense to get them now, because I can see it all for free online. But I sometimes miss having those handsome rags lined up on the coffee table.

    Come to that, the internet is trumping *every* other media source when it comes to raw news. I can't Google search for related terms on my cable box. I can't run a Truth-or-Fiction fact check on a radio. People will tell me something they saw in the paper, and I'll say, "Oh, yeah, that was on [insert one of 20 news-sites here] yesterday!" In the age of RSS-feeds, plus a shell script I wrote to scrape them all, it's getting to be the next best thing to being psychic. In fact, even my library card usage is down - but I've downloaded and hoarded a slew of E-books!

  35. Re:Internet is Killing the Newspaper. . . by crimperman · · Score: 2, Informative
    . . . and it's saving the trees.
    Newsprint doesn't contain as much tree as it used to. In the UK at least newspaper publishers are required by law to ensure that their newsprint in made of a minimum of 65% recycled fibre - this goes up to 70% on 1 Jan 2006.
  36. Re: Adaptation by falser · · Score: 2

    What The Washington Post did was create a co-publication called "Express" that's targeted at subway commuters:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/express/

    It's a small free newspaper, containing only brief news stories. It's got all the sections of a normal paper Top Stories, World, Local, Classifieds, Entertainment, and puzzles. But it's a mini-newspaper about half the physical size of a normal one so it's more suitable for reading on a crowded train. I can usually read everything on my way to work, and solve the Sudoku on my way back (unless I screw up). They have people at every metro stop giving them out to everybody, and I mean everybody. Express papers outnumber all other regular papers in any subway car by at least 20 to 1. They must make more than enough money off ads to cover all the costs because of the high readership. They don't have to compete with online services anytime soon, and it gives WP an audience that wouldn't normally buy a newspaper for their ride to work. There's even a few copycats in the area now so they must be on to something.

    It's this kind of adaptation that will make newspapers survive.