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Supreme Court Rejects Microsoft Eolas Appeal

mixmasterjake writes "The U.S. Supreme Court has decided not to hear a Microsoft appeal in the software company's ongoing Web browsing patent dispute with the University of California and Eolas Technologies. The dispute arises over the Eolas patent for 'a system allowing a user of a browser program ... to access and execute an embedded program object.' From the article: "With today's decision, the Supreme Court decided not to hear Microsoft's argument relating to how damages in the case should be calculated. Microsoft had been asking the court to reject a previous ruling that damages should be awarded based on Microsoft's U.S. and foreign sales, saying that the Eolas patent should only apply to U.S. products. The Supreme Court did not give a reason for its rejection of Microsoft's appeal."

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  1. Best. Job. Ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Being a Justice on the Supreme Court is the best job ever. You can pick and choose which cases you want to hear, and you need offer no justification whatsoever!

  2. Oh the Irony... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft gets to eat it's own medicine. Maybe they'll start to realize how bad software patents really are. Patents aren't an universal tool that should be used in every field of science.

    1. Re:Oh the Irony... by jZnat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Scary as it is, Microsoft and other large software companies have patented software ideas and algorithms in order to make sure that no other company would go and patent the same idea and use it against them. Now they wouldn't have to waste the time and money in patenting algorithms (i.e. math equations, those of which aren't patentable anyways) if nobody patented them in the first place. It's usually a self-defence situation when patenting software, but when the company seeks out to use its patents to destroy "infringers" (see: SCO vs. Linux and IBM), that's where the problem lies. Yes, patenting software shouldn't even be a possibility, but while it is, companies need to legally defend themselves, but when they go and take the offence using their patents, that's when it becomes obvious to more than just us /. geeks that the idea of patenting software is ridiculous.

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    2. Re:Oh the Irony... by mickwd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Scary as it is, Microsoft and other large software companies have patented software ideas and algorithms in order to make sure that no other company would go and patent the same idea and use it against them."

      Then why have they pushed so hard to have software patenting made legal in the EU ?

  3. The patent system... by NaruVonWilkins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    has to be reformed. Such a basic idea shouldn't be patentable, even when it costs a giant like Microsoft.

    1. Re:The patent system... by cheesedog · · Score: 3, Informative
      "Obviousness" is such a tricky, subjective criteria that the USPTO seems to have given up on it. Or, at the least, they've combined it with the "prior art" criteria, so that anything that isn't already in the patent database is both without prior art and non-obvious.

      The other test for obviousness (the one that is somewhat sane) is apparently left for the courts to decide after the patent is granted.

      You might also be interested to know that our patent system originated in 15th century England, and had nothing to do with novelty, non-obviousness, or prior art and everything to do with exclusive, state-sponsored monopoly (see A Brief History of Idea Monopoly for details on how such commonly manufactured items as soap, salt, glass, and sailcloth were granted patents).

      The striking thing here is that our current patent system is starting to look a lot like the old 15th century English one, where "low quality" patents are granted willy-nilly, punishing the general public by levying a sort of tax on everyone except the owner of the patent. In other words, it seems more and more to have everything to do with exclusive, state-sponsored monopoly and nothing to do with protecting innovation and inventors.

  4. I know how I should feel, but... by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, this is Slashdot, and therefore anything that Microsoft does is supposed to be bad. But, I still can't bring myself to embrace obvious software patents. I did RTFA, but I have not looked at the patent itself -- so perhaps it isn't obvious. Still, I can't help but think this does not bode well for the internet in general.

    Sure MS has strong-armed some competitors in the past and probably stolen an idea or two (Stac compression comes to mind), but I would have preferred to see the patent overturned...

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  5. Re:How does this affect me? by debilo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I run Gentoo Linux, how does this affect me?

    Allow me to compile an answer for you. Please check back in 7 hours.

  6. Absurd Patent by orangenormal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Eolas's patent, which covers web browser plugins, should never have been awarded -- let alone validated by the USPTO. As it stands, no browser that supports plugin technology is immune from Eolas, a one-man-show run by a university professor.

    The patent needs to be thrown out immediately; the amount of prior art must be staggering.

    For the future of the web, this is a case you'll want Microsoft to win, ultimately.

  7. Microsoft's loss is Mozilla's loss by tbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I say this as someone who is no fan of Microsoft, and who is actually a student at the University of California--Microsoft's loss is bad for open source. Microsoft was simply the biggest fish Eolas could go after. Now they're going to demand royalties from all other browser makers, which could spell big trouble for Mozilla.

    I hope I'm wrong--please tell me this isn't going to kill open source web browsers.

    The UC/Eolas patent covers "a system allowing a user of a browser program ... to access and execute an embedded program object." Sounds like it would cover browser support for Java and perhaps JavaScript embedded in web pages.

    Crap.

    1. Re:Microsoft's loss is Mozilla's loss by dkf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are aware that that's exactly what Eolas are doing? (I've met the people from Eolas, and they're smart regular technical people and not patent leeches, err, lawyers.)

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  8. This ruling is not a big deal. by Repton · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ars has better coverage.

    It's a bit confusing, but as I understand things, this is the story: Eolas were awarded big damages against Microsoft based on their browser plugin patent. This patent was overturned in March 2004, which means Microsoft no longer had to pay those damages. Micosoft's appeal to SCOTUS was against those damages that it doesn't have to pay any more. So, I imagine the SCOTUS were like "WTF?" when they declined to hear the case.

    Microsoft's not totally insane, though, because the patent has been reinstated, so MS and Eolas will be going back to court, and MS might lose again and have to pay money again. So they were looking for a precedent to keep a lid on those damages which they might get.

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    1. Re:This ruling is not a big deal. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Informative

      This patent was overturned in March 2004

      No, it wasn't. The Ars article is out of date and wrong besides. The March 2004 ruling was an appeals judge throwing out the original trial results and ordering a re-exam.

      http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122786,0 0.asp

      Recently the USPTO reaffirmed the patent is valid.

  9. Re:It's Only Money by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This isn't much money to them.

    What about the Mozilla foundation? Opera? KDE? Apple? Because armed with this precendent Eolas is going to go after anyone who has ever coded a browser with the ability to host an applet.

    Does it sound bad enough now?

  10. Rather than go for the patent system in total.. by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This story is really about the invidious patenting of ideas rather than actual inventions. Such patenting of software processes is not about protecting intellectual property or a partuclar working design of some new gizmo.

    The entire point of software patents like this is to stifle innovation by preventing anybody, including Microsoft, from reverse engineering the process by any means. That's not patenting because you have a product on the market that you're trying to protect, it's a form of intellectual highway robbery by digging a big hole in the road and then charging people to cross the hole using the one bridge and the police preventing people from going around the hole.

    As far as Microsoft is concerned, I feel no sympathy. Microsoft has aggressively tried to corner and stifle competition by collecting as many of these software or business process patents as it can. Now it gets bitten by somebody else doing the same thing. "He who lives by the software patent also get shafted by the software patent"

    Microsoft should be like Earl: call it "karma" and seek to redress people for what it has done. But first, Bill Gates needs to get caught in a hit-and-run accident while holding a winning scratch card.

    Unless there is urgent action to void these "business process through software" patents, then it will be the rest of the world, China, India and especially Europe which will benefit from innovation and not the US. In America, software patents are causing the pace of innovation to slow while costing eveybody more money, and jamming up the Patent system with these mendatious patent claims.

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  11. No reason? by Infinityis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Microsoft had been asking the court to reject a previous ruling that damages should be awarded based on Microsoft's U.S. and foreign sales, saying that the Eolas patent should only apply to U.S. products. The Supreme Court did not give a reason for its rejection of Microsoft's appeal"

    Here's a good reason for you: as a US company, you should abide by US patent law, even if you sell overseas. Just because the business is done outside the US does not mean it's exempt from patent protections.

    Microsoft above all should be aware of this sort of thing--it's exactly like the tactics they were using with Lee going to work for Google. Washington (the state) would say "He can't go right to work there", and California would say "Come on in, here's your desk".

  12. Re:Doesn't the Chief Justice set the Court's agend by krbvroc1 · · Score: 4, Informative
    First off, Roberts didn't participate in this selection. Second, there is a 'cert pool' process whereby if four justices agree to hear the case they will. Third, there are thousands of cases and all cannot be heard each term. Many, many are not heard and the facy they aren't heard doesn't imply anything about how they would rule.

    Roberts who answered very little in his Senate Confirmation hearings, did mention he was open to the idea of either getting rid of the 'cert pool' concept and/or increasing the courts caseload each year.

  13. Re:Best. Job. Ever. by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Being a Slashdot editor is the best job ever! You can pick and choose what submissions you want to post and disregard all others without any justification whatsoever!