Flurry of Hard Drive Reviews

Sivar writes "After a long hiatus while setting up their new testbed, StorageReview.com has released a number of reviews of the latest hard drives, including Hitachi's Deskstar 7K500 which now occupies the top performance spot for desktop drives, the Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 which is the first shipping Serial ATA-II drive, the Seagate NL35 for backup servers and other "nearline" storage, and the Western Digital WD4000YR, which interestingly is actually based on their famous (and expensive) Raptor unit." Hitachi's SATA-II drive was also recently reviewed by BigBruin in case you missed it.

Comments

Bah

[Anonymous Coward]

I want a solid state drive; sick of mechanical breakdowns and especially the noise.

Seagate's "nearline" drive

[SuperBanana]

Storage manufacturers have tackled the issue by introducing a new class of device, the "nearline" drive that, when combined with the aforementioned online and offline segments, tiers today's enterprise storage into three distinct levels. By keeping highly-accessed, current information in the traditional domain of high-speed, swift-actuator drives and relegating less-used but still-accessed data to slower, less expensive devices, drive firms aspire to deliver solutions that balance the needs for performance with cost.

So to cut through the jargon crap- in other words, someone finally remembered that RAID means Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, and that in most cases, when you've got 5 or more drives in an array, you don't need them to be 15,000 RPM?

Re:Seagate's "nearline" drive

[Noose For A Neck]

No.

RAID does not lower data access times. If you are running an application with lots of random disk accesses e.g. a database, you generally will not be helped by a RAID array in terms of performance unless you are maxing out disk throughput. As 15,000 RPM disks have lower access times, they are used for these sorts of applications. That is why companies are willing to pay outrageous sums for 15,000 RPM disks.

Re:Testbed

[Noose For A Neck]

Because most people with computers use Windows and there has been a lot of disk benchmarking software developed for Windows.

Besides, a lot of their forum regulars are fanatical Windows supporters, to the point of claiming "...in smp scaling windows is better than linux, and linux is better than freebsd. for vms windows is better than freebsd, and freebsd is better than linux.", so I'd take what they say with a grain of salt.

Noise?

[Billly Gates]

Most places like tomshardware and other benchmarking sites mention that hard drive speed is almost neglibable between teh high end and low end drivers for real desktop apps.

I care about reliability (gone down hill since 2000) and noise. I sense in the rush to devalue pc's into $399 emachines that quality is looked upon last in an effort to cut costs. Isn't there anyone buying anything besides junk anymore? I am not talking about servers either since scsi drives and cards are outrageously expensive.

Re:Testbed

[NineNine]

Why do the folks at storagereview put such nice harddisks into testbeds with Microsoft Windows

Because that's what most people use, maybe? Because that's what most benchmarking tools run on, maybe? If anything, I'd wonder why somebody would do benchmarks on something other than Windows.

Samsung Samsung Samsung

[slaker]

SR makes a habit of forgetting about the other commodity drive manufacturer, Samsung. How much do they forget? Well, at one point at least, an Australian forum member (Tannin, if you know SR's forums) had to send them a drive to review because they couldn't or wouldn't make the effort to get one themselves. Also interesting is that Samsung has no relationship with SR as far as advertising.

Which is a goddamned shame, because they really are genuinely good drives (far better than the for-shit products Maxtor and WD are shoveling out these days), ones I buy in preference to any other vendor's. They've been extremely reliable for me and have a nice mix of performance characteristics.

I'm not a big fan of their self-reporting reliability database, and I can't hazard to guess why they're testing "desktop" performance in their Enterprise-I/O Xeon system... nor why they can't do any testing on *nix. But those are all are reasons why I have become frustrated with SR over the last few years.

I'm just one person. My opinions aren't going to mean shit to anyone here. But then, I'm one guy with around 12TB worth of Hitachi and Samsung drives keeping his apartment warm, so it's not like I don't have a little bit of experience with commodity hard disks.

Re:Samsung Samsung Samsung

[darkwhite]

Reliability reports on drives grouped by manufacturer cannot be trusted except when they're extreme low outliers (e.g. IBM's Deathstar). All major brands today are about equally reliable for practical purposes (except when you have severe heat dissipation issues maybe). In 8 years and no less than 15 different drives of 10 different models, I have not had a Maxtor drive die on me.

In general, I find that clean power is much more necessary than a preferred manufacturer. Dirty power from a cheap or overloaded power supply may kill the most reliable drive ever.

Enough with speed. More capacity and reliability.

[sdo1]

I'm getting really tired of hyper-speed, super cheap drives that fail after a year. I've got 100's of gigs of media (ripped DVDs, ripped CDs, etc. etc.) that DO NOT need incredible latency or access speed numbers. Give me 5400 RPM drives (or slower!) that run cool and reliably! I'd imagine that most users are in the same boat. If you need a 200G drive, it's not because you need 200G for applications and games. It's because of media.

Capacity, yes. Increase that. Reliability, yes. Improve that. But hard drive speed is a grossly overrated and mostly unneeded attribute.

-S

Re:Enough with speed. More capacity and reliabilit

[macslut]

I'm right there with you. I have a handful of 250GB drives and a couple of 400GB drives. I would pay *more* for my drives to be 5400...even that is overkill. I want them big, quiet, cool and reliable. Speed is simply a non-issue *for me*.

Re:When will we see RAM drives

[ZenShadow]

On the other hand, the commonly accepted defacto standard is that RAM is volatile. That's why someone came up with the extended acronym NVRAM...

--S

reliability: the cost of offshoring?

[nido]

I care about reliability (gone down hill since 2000)

2000, eh? That's about the end of the dot-com boom. So it fits, I guess...

Since the technology bubble burst, "there's been a scramble to move from the high-cost sites [North America/Western Europe -me] to the low-cost sites in China," said Flint Pulskamp, an analyst with the market research firm IDC. "In the late 1990s, Solectron used to make motherboards for Intel right here in Milpitas, in the heart of Silicon Valley. That's unthinkable now."

-http://www.crmbuyer.com/story/44242.html

high-cost site: quality
low-cost site: quantity

anyone got a link for when various manufacturers started moving offshore? Like, Maxtor/WD/Seagate/etc.? Many computing technologies originally came from American companies, but, with cutthroat competition being what it is, as soon as one company in a category moves to china, the rest probably aren't going to be too far behind...

Re:Not quite there

[fredistheking]

I don't think $1900 means its ready to take over.