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Google Patent for User Targeted Search Results

lorenbake writes "Scoble is one of many to report that Google has filed a patent for user targeted, or attention targeted, search results which will change the ranking of Google's organic results per each individual user based upon that user's search behavior, location, sites visited, and even 'typing behavior'. How could Google build such user profiles to serve customized organic (non-paid) results to? Tracking via their network of desktop apps, advertising, Gmail, and other network services."

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  1. Just my 2 cents... by Froze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before this goes all big brother...
    I just want to say that I hove no problem with targeted advertising at all. If there is a way that does not impose on my personal freedoms to selectiviely show me things that I might be interested in purchasing it is not only ok but much preffered to the massive spamvertisement campaigns that go on now.

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    1. Re:Just my 2 cents... by cgenman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to say, I'm with you on this one, in theory. I really hate the irrelevancies of modern advertising. I would rather be shown a flood of ads for things I might be interested in (and preferably might not know about) in place of the flood of ads for "punch the monkey and win a years supply of Vioxx." Plus if the ads are twice as valuable to the advertiser, they can use half as many (yeah, right).

      That having been said, it is the database about me which is a bit creepy. But, as huge databases about me already exist I can't complain too much. I've always said that if we had perfect transparency, everyone's "freakish oddities" would seem normal.

  2. Solidarity is for Squids by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is about a stupid patent and is therefor evil. F google when they pull this crap.

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  3. All I want.. by lightyear4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All I want...is the ability to easily opt out.

  4. Re:Filing a patent is EVIL by crache · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You must know that in reality you cannot sum things up as just plain "good" or "evil". We are getting the lesser of evils, would you rather msn had the patent? I think we are better off with google having it, after all someone would eventually.

  5. This is awesome! by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those guys at $oogle are making Microsoft look like amateurs when it comes to world domination!

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  6. All the world's information by Ifni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... includes yours.

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  7. Fine by me by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Gmail account is my "send everything here" account. It gets spam from every where from tin foil hat sites to live journal. If you can find a way to work out what I like from "Person X has replied to your comment with 'lol, I agree' " then that's fine by me.

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  8. Welcome to the future by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where computers and systems know what you want and then give it to you. Good? Evil? Well that all depends on intent doesn't it.

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    1. Re:Welcome to the future by vettemph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>> this is not an inherently bad thing,

      Until your mother tries to use your PC to search for quilts and is bombarded with ads for TEENAGE!!!LESBI
      ANS!!!UPSKIRT!!!BEWBZ!!!!RIMJOB!!!TWINKS!!!!

      You will never be able to use your PC when you have company. Your Ads don't lie.

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  9. Are patnets evil? by a_greer2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NO! the abuse of ptents is evil, and Google has yet to do this, they are just defending themselves in the arms race against ass-hats like Bezose and Gates, who patented the single and double clicks respectively, and other such loonicy. Google has yet to cross thhe line, untill they do, I will respect them -- HELL, if they havent abused teir power by now, why would they start?

    1. Re:Are patnets evil? by duerra · · Score: 2, Insightful

      NO! the abuse of ptents is evil, and Google has yet to do this, they are just defending themselves in the arms race against ass-hats like Bezose and Gates
      And using this against them in the event of such an arms race would be abuse of the patents, and therefore evil.

      Unless you are taking about a "defensive" patent, a patent to prevent somebody else from patenting something. But that's just lunacy, since you would already then have prior art.

      And anyway, places like Amazon already do personalized results based on your purchase history. Wouldn't this be considered prior art? Clearly, personalized *anything* in an online world today should be considered obvious, and if it hasn't been done it's probably not because somebody hadn't thought of it, because it wasn't really technically efficient to do up until this point.

      My vote on this patent? THUMBS DOWN!

    2. Re:Are patnets evil? by fyoder · · Score: 2, Insightful
      HELL, if they havent abused teir power by now, why would they start?

      Hopefully those with controlling interest currently will maintain it for a long time. Because when the good king dies, the heirs are typically less good. When the good king happens to be that rare creature the good vampire, and the heirs are all typical, blood thirsty vampires, then the chance of going evil is even greater. In the case of Google it's increasingly looking as though eventually the blood thirsty vampires will have vast quantities of personal information on hundreds of millions of people.

      I think the guys in charge of Google now are ok, but how can they guarantee the 'do no evil' policy in perpetuity? Even those who think Google is currently trustworthy have cause for concern.

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  10. Re:Filing a patent is EVIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "It is tiresome and the company is just as evil as all other companies."

    Spent some time reading Mao's Little Red Book? What is the deal with this asinine belief that corporations, capitalism and money are somehow inherently "evil"? The threat here is personal privacy NOT a company trying to make money. Most companies are actually VERY GOOD for the average man and make our lives better. Keep the concern focused on privacy rather than jumping to socialism.

  11. Filing patents to prevent patent misuse by ip_fired · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps they are filing the patent to prevent other companies from filing a similar patent and then using it against Google? Google has already started down the road of targetted ads for their users and storing everything they can about the user's search habits.

    For example, if you sign up for a personalized google page, they'll start tracking your searchs, and they will even let you go back and look at the searches that you made weeks ago.

    I personally like this kind of stuff. It's useful to me if I forgot to bookmark a site that I liked, I can go back through my search history and find the site again.

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  12. it's all good by intmainvoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Makes perfect sense for google to track which links i click on - essentially i'm filtering out the type results I don't want, so if the search algorithm can learn from that and produce more relevant results, then great!

    Privacy isn't such an issue on this considering Google already has this information on a per user level - this probably doesn't raise any additional privacy concerns.

  13. They probably have to do this by max+born · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google is not necessarily evil for doing taking out a patent. We live in a world of IP and patents. They probably have to do this for protection.

    However, if Google starts using this patent to thwart their competition then they'll be making a mockery of their own do-no-evil slogan.

  14. Google and Privacy by pdjohe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google is getting worse and worse with privacy. From a geek point of view, they got a bunch of cool apps, but from a humanist point of view, I feel google is definately turning over to the dark side.

    In a couple of years, we will probably be discussing Google and privacy concerns just like we discuss Microsoft and security concerns now.

  15. Evil isn't what I'm worried about by FatBear · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think Google has done a good job of making their search results more and more appropriate, and I really appreciate it, so I'm afraid they are going to make themselves less useful by trying to second-guess what I want. At least half of the searches I do on Google follow no pattern, probably more. Yet they will try to discern a pattern and skew the results appropriately. That will result in poorer search results. I'll have to start looking elsewhere.

    It's been so long since I've used a rival search engine/site that I don't even know who the second best one is. I do remember that many of them also returned google search results along with their own. I don't imagine that Google will be able to profile other search sites the way it does individual users because so many users will create near randomness. So maybe those results will become better than results acquired directly from Google.

  16. Re:Temptation risk VERY high by General+Alcazar · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That is a nice sentiment, but if you are going to make such a bylaw, you would have to define "evil".

    Unfortunately, in the real world, things are not so black and white.

  17. Re:Get ready to watch ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I dont mind a bit handing over my personal information to a company i can trust.

    When it comes to personal information, I think people shouldn't trust any company...
    Even if they are a sexy do-no-evil, do-no-wrong ex-startup bent on world domination for your own good.

  18. Re:Get ready to watch ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This has nothing to do just a single issue (as you are trying to narrow it down to for some reason) such as being anti-competitive.

    Giggle is helping the Chinese oppress its citizens.

    Giggle execs are buying plush polluting 767's while at the same time stating they drive hybrid cars and care about the environment.

    Now Giggle has IPO'd and is at the mercy of shareholders who can pull the strings.

    I don't like the idea of a company to have access to so much information about individual poeple and is using it for their own personal profit motivated desires. Obviously, this is open to more abuse too. What is stopping their DBA from mining a database for some dirt on someone?

  19. amazon doing that ? by dindi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it is kinda covered by a previous amazon patent, besides displaying an ad on a visitors behaviour exists for a long time:

    e.g.
    My visitor is looking at portable mp3 audio players for the last 5 visits, you want to display an ipod commercial instead of a hairdryer.

    When that user searches for "moby audio tracks" you will present results ranked higher for places that sell mp3 other than LPs.

    Respect to google, but I think it is also a common knowledge patent. I mean what I mentioned is an afternoon of SQL query tuning that I do not want to compare to millions of results organized by google, but at the end that patent seems to cover a bunch of similar practices that fall under the

    "search result ordering based on user behaviour" ....

    the typing issue is a good idea though .... e.g. you can distingush grandma typing 1 letter per 5 seconds, while mr 10-finger-typer geek can type 5+ letters in a sec :) hmm ... strange idea ....
    I guess it also includes typo watch, misspell watch and similar ..... cool idea:) never thought of that ....

    now google will start displaying ads about "quit drinking" or "hangover pills" when compared to my normal daily typing I start typing terribly on a late Saturday night ? ARE YOU DRUNK ? :)

    now google just needs to start putting a HAL-like glowing red eye and microphones into our rooms, an anal implant and urine and stool analyzer to provide perfect results ....

    off topic:

    I mentioned it already , but interestingly the more and more google refines it's algo, the more and more I find myself using other search engines, as some of the things I am searching for provide less and less usable information for me...
    for tech stuff google is unbeatable, however shopping/comparing and travel, I turn to yahoo more and more nowadays.....

  20. Moral code of patents by oddityfds · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lobbying for software patents: Bad.

    Applying for software patents: Sometimes necessary today, but shouldn't be.

    Bragging about granted software patents: Impresses stock market, pisses me off.

    Using patents offensively: Bad.

    Using patents only defensively: Ok.

    We'll see what Google does...

  21. Re:What were you expecting? by InsaneGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I doubt general ISP's have any processes that troll through users emails for marketing information. That just doesn't happen unless you are a search company. It's true that system admins will have access to your account but that is hardly similar to going through customers accounts looking for data to resell to others.