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Open Source Design in risk?

Stylissimo writes "OSWD.org, the biggest source for free open source web templates, has been offline for several weeks, which has caused a dilemma for the large number of webmasters who rely on open source design. While some of the OSWD.org designers are doing their best to keep the open source design scene alive, others are worried that the absence of OSWD.org will hit the internet hard and maybe even kill the scene. Aaron Nikula, administrator of OSWD.org, has published a statement about the situation and the site may be back again."

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  1. Seems like survival of the fittest. by chroot_james · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suspect they're in trouble because they're not performing a valuable enough service. Linux never has trouble finding funding because it's so valuable to people that Linux stay in healthy shape. I've taken a look through OSWD before and found most of the sites were ugly. Not only that, they wouldn't adapt well to a site design I have in mind.

    So it goes.

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    1. Re:Seems like survival of the fittest. by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I suspect they're in trouble because they're not performing a valuable enough service.

      I've never even heard of them until today. Maybe it's an exposure problem i.e. Not enough?

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    2. Re:Seems like survival of the fittest. by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suspect they're in trouble because they're not performing a valuable enough service.

      Is it really a funding problems? Sounds more like a lame technical screw up soap opera.

      Why is this on Slashdot? Some random site has some problems, and that gets a Slashdot front-page story? The fact that they have "open source" in their name doesn't quite merit it. And I love the popup-prevention-circumvention popups at the forum link included in the submission. Nice.

    3. Re:Seems like survival of the fittest. by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I will agree. Web site templates SUCK big time. I mean, if you cannot design a web site, then what are you doing trying to produce one? Also, isn't designing them the fun part? Worst of all, these idiotic templates are often full of bloated code and bad stock photos that lend nothing to the product except to make it look "professional". Good riddance. Replace it with a website on how to design usable web sites. And tutorials on how to never use a stock photo again.

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    4. Re:Seems like survival of the fittest. by Maestro4k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If people cared enough, a replacement would pop up. That was my point. It probably will, but at this time no one but the guy holding OSWD in stasis has access to any of the files. It'll take a while to recreate the site from scratch so a replacement can't just "pop up" in this case. I'm sure the rest of the OSWD community will build a new site but it won't have as many templates as the old site for quite some time.

    5. Re:Seems like survival of the fittest. by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whomever just modded me down as flamebait -- you probably did that because on your last consulting job where you got PAID to design a website, you went to this site and grabbed a nifty template. It worked out too, since executives don't care about bad code and they just LOVE stock photos, especially ones of second rate models in corporate attire giving a laptop a steely stare. Plus the website probably plays sounds and all kinds of "kewl" stuff. I have seen it too many times in my professional experience.

      Website templates are bad. I do not use generalities like this too often, but in this case it is merited. If you cannot design a website, or know enough to hire someone who can, then "resources" like this one will not cover your ineptitude. If you are a good programmer but cannot design well, ask for help. Learn how. Don't take a template and use it. By the time you make it fit your needs, you could have learned something. Better yet, let form follow function. Google should prove to everyone that if it works fast and well, it doesn't gotta be pretty.

      There, that felt good.

      Now THAT'S quality flamebait. Fire away, hosers.

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    6. Re:Seems like survival of the fittest. by estebanf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually the content was provided by the community that shared their designs, not aaron or frank. Aaron is just a lazy web master that don't want to start a new project by himself, and Frank is too busy making a deposit of the profits. This is just a crappy fight between 2 boyfriends. It's only on slashdot because it has the "open source" stamp on it... I will get an OS tatoo on my butt just to check if I can get to the /. frontpage.

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  2. the beauty of geekness by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If someone did died (permantly or not) it will be replaced as soon as it needs to be. Geeks tend to like to have tools ready when they need them. So if one is missing theopen source geeks will start to work on it. No matter the name or brand everything will return from it's death in some form.

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  3. At least we have an explaination now.... by haplo21112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...I've been wondering. The site has been very valuable to me for several months now...infact it had become part of my daily, check this site for new stuff rotation. Hopefully they can resolve whatever dispute is keeping them offline soon, or the remaining interested parties will start a new site to replace it.

    Unfortunately its sounding rather like greed has reared up in the wake of the disaster...

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    1. Re:At least we have an explaination now.... by kmmatthews · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't say greed has reared up - the greed has _always_ been there. This prick (Frank) has always been making money from everyone elses work; now that the site needs to be moved to a different host, the guy is just plain too fucking lazy to do it, and too controlling to let anyone else do it.

      IMO, something new needs to be started from scratch, without Frank being involved AT ALL.

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  4. But open source means... by Phoenix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it is an open source movement and the web site is dead with the possibility of it never going up again, is it not in the realm of possibility that others will pick up the pieces and do another one?

    Isn't that the point of Open Source? The ability that others can take the source and do with it as they wish as long as the results are also open source?

    The death of a web site doesn't mean the death of the OSWD community...unless no one cares and they all let it die.

    Phoenix

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    1. Re:But open source means... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Insightful


      If it is an open source movement and the web site is dead with the possibility of it never going up again, is it not in the realm of possibility that others will pick up the pieces and do another one?


      It seems that it should be possible. But it won't be easy without cooperation. And since the site owner doesn't seem keen to help create a site to supplant his, that cooperation is not forthcoming. This leaves those who wish to "pick up the pieces" with two distinct challenges.

      The first challenge is replicating the content. This is certainly possible to do - a vast majority of the content seems to have come from the community. The site designs are probably sitting on hard drives of the developers and users right now. The problem is getting those who currently have copies to get around to resubmitting them. And that leads to the greatest challenge; network effect.

      The users of OSWD all know about OSWD. It serves as a focus point for those who wish to publish works and those interested in finding those works. The more people who use this site, the more effective (and valuable) it becomes. More users means a larger audience to publish to and more publishers means a larger pool of content to select from. Anyone wishing to create a replacement will have to get the word out about their new site and convince people to begin using it instead of OSWD. Most of these types of sites gain popularity over time so a new replacement will likely have to wait some time before it's built up the same network effect value as OSWD.

      That's not to say it can't happen, or shouldn't be done. There are quite a lot of examples of forked projects. And it helps if a significant portion of the community agrees on the fork and follows on to the replacement. A "good", or otherwise popular, fork will tend to form with a significantly larger network effect than those who begin from scratch. Which, in turn, helps get the word out and leads to a faster recovery (even if the original project remains and leads to a somewhat fractured community).
  5. Markets Adapt by Sweep+The+Leg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the article is making a pretty bold claim. Most of these situations tend to resolve themselves eventually and something as trivial as a website doesn't cause death. This reminds me of the days when a major local warez bbs got busted and the scene was declared "dead." Yeah right.

    What especially strikes me is about the part "webmasters who rely on open source design." If you're a real designer, you shouldn't have to rely on anything like this except your own talent. Things like this site are certainly a great help and can speed things along, but I do not see how anyone can attach "designer" to their name and then feel the world is over when a website they use is down. Furthermore, there are other websites out there that may be smaller, but do a good job catering to this audience.

    Forgive my ignorance, but design sites were around before this site and will be after. Apparently their design didn't accomodate actually hosting content reliably -- perhaps that should be included in their next template.

  6. Then fork by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a project is useful, and the people in control of the project won't help the project evolve in some direction or just sit on it and do nothing, you fork the code. In this case, you might not have access to the website source code, but I would think there would be an archive somewhere.

    This is the reason why there should be at least two independent people in charge of open source projects.

  7. We Can Rebuild It by Bugmaster · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Surely, someone has the relevant OSWD content cached somewhere ? If the site truly does die (as seems likely), how hard would it be to simply rebuild it from cached content, using Slashcode or Scoop or whatever lightweight CMS it was originally using ?

    I find it kind of ridiculous that one man appears to have the power to eliminate a valuable resource used by thousands of users. That just can't be right.

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  8. Domains are cheap by Ofenza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd say, buy a new domain and start fresh, Aaron. Do your thing.

  9. Re:I know frank. by CaptainPinko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if you know frank why don't you ask him to post a statement to inform the community or at least make some of templates available on an ftp server for the meantime.

    Why was this modded funny?

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  10. Re:I know frank. by hatrisc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As I understand it, Frank didn't put up the site again right away because he needed motivation to redesign it. He was unhappy with the current codebase and design and used the server problems as a "fire under his ass" to get the new site done. He has posted a statement on oswd.org explaining the new difficulties which Aaron has caused.

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