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Vatican Rejects Intelligent Design?
typobox43 writes "A Vatican representative has expressed a defense of the theory of evolution, stating that it is "perfectly compatible" with the Genesis story of creation. "The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator"." Of course, it'd probably be best if fundmentalists actually talked to, say, the rabbis who wrote the whole thing down. The Orthodox rabbis I've spoken find it amazingly amusing that people take the creation story as literal truth, rather then a story about YHWH's power.
Put this all together and you get a conjecture that says that this "irreducibly complex" entity cannot exist according to the physical laws of the universe. Not the laws as we know them, but any physical laws of the universe. IDers don't say, "Gee, this looks like it's too complex to exist, therefore we musn't have a complete understanding of the universe." No, they say, "this must be the product of supernatural intervention."
This is a logical flaw in your understanding of ID. Proponents of Evolution state that as part of their theory, everything that currently exists is a product of natural processes. Irreducible complexity is the idea that something is too complex to have arisen by purely natural processes (evolution), not that it is too complex to exist.
I love how this forum is full of people ready and willing to unite against ID and call ID proponents everything from fascists to fundamentalists to horrible people who should be silenced at all costs. I personally don't put myself into any of these categories, but you're free to think and do what you'd like. God knows I can't stop an army of angry mutant evolutionists. :)
Ultimately, the hate I see here comes from a deep misunderstanding of our perspective and, unfortunately, a lot of crap throwing from both sides. So maybe when people like me are silenced, you can go back to attacking each other.
One thing I should mention is that ID proponents are VERY concerned with keeping science separate from religion. We also admit, as some evolutionists might not, that a theory about our origins, scientific in nature and well meaning though it might be, does have profound religious and philosophical implications.