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1 Million Windows to Mac Converts So Far in 2005

UltimaGuy writes to tell us AppleInsider is reporting that according to one Wall Street analyst over one million Windows users have switched to Mac in the first three quarters of 2005. It is speculated that these numbers are a direct result of the popularity gained through the iPod and related technologies in addition to security concerns from Microsoft. From the article: "According to checks with Apple Store Specialists, Wolf also said a larger than expected percentage of Windows to Mac converts appear to be purchasing Apple's higher-end systems and that their transition is fueled by the epidemic of viruses and malware on the Windows platform."

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  1. Analyze this! by Paska · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While I am sure this is probably random guesses and whohar from this one analyst, I actually somewhat believe him from my observations from down-under (Australia).

    As a young man that works for a family owned and quite large computer business I've over the years seen people generally not ask very many questions, to now every day hearing people wanting details on Macs, and how they compare to standard white boxes.

    Now bundle this in with the fact that our local, and only Apple store is constantly flourishing with business as compared to a few years ago when it was rare to see more then 1 person at a time in there, you'll understand why it's possible Apple have converted so many users.

    Just in my direct experience over the last few years, it's converted myself, my brother, my mother and a few friends of mine - (2 to be exact).

    It's also at the point, and while I am growing up and establishing my future that me owning and operating a Apple franchise is highly possible.

    I've also seen the websites I manage, which are local to our area, sky rocket from 5-10 hits per week from Mac users, to now over 250-300 unique Mac users per week and raising.

    Apple are on to something here, and Steve Jobs knows it!

    1. Re:Analyze this! by jma05 · · Score: 5, Informative

      >> Most of this is working on CVS stuff (do a checkout when you have a net connection, edit away, then commit when you get back). I know it can be done on Windows, but it's damn ugly.

      Not really.
      http://www.tortoisecvs.org/

    2. Re:Analyze this! by timeOday · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Macs (just like linux) "just work" when you stick with supported hardware.
      I'm a dyed-in-the-wool "linux guy," but unfortunately hardware support remains my one major complaint with Linux, even when you go our of your way and pay extra for something that's claimed to work. Just skip to the last paragraph if you get bored reading my laundry list of supporting examples:
      • My WG511 wifi card is supposedly supported by the prism54 driver. In fact it locks up the machine in minutes.
      • My All-In-Wonder card was supported by GATOS, but the drivers weren't good enough to be usable so I ditched it for the best linux-supported TV tuner card there is, the Hauppauge. Lucky me, I got one with a new chip revision so it didn't work.
      • OpenGL 3d acceleration on my T40 laptop works, but the machine locks up if you suspend to ram while hardware acceleration is enabled.
      • My webcam is supposedly supported by the ov511 driver, but the images are heavily tinged with red, and the compression module that enables decent framerates doesn't seem to be supported anymore. It works OK under Windows.
      • My Lego Mindstorms kit has a driver through Lejos, but oops! it doesn't work because the usb lego tower is only compatible with one of the usb driver modules (I forget which), which isn't compatible with the usb ports on my laptop.
      • My Epson 1250 scanner, purchased specifically due to Linux support, has horizontal artifacts under Linux but works fine under Windows. (And descreening works.)
      • My Pinnacle IR receiver is supported by Lirc, but the lircd exits randomly and without warning causing the remote to stop working.

      I could go on, but the point is there's a big difference between a green X in a linux hardware compatibility list, and actually having a stable, working driver that supports all the features. And you never really know until *after* you shell out the cash. Macs have limited hardware support too, but from what I've seen if it is supported, it actually works. I stick with Linux because I like its principles, and after you get stuff going it's great. But when my parents asked what to buy for my grandpa it was a no-brainer: iMac.

  2. No Suprise Here by flakier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just wonder what the tipping point will be before we start seeing an exponential rise in Mac malware.

    Then what, the masses start switching to BSD or Linux?

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  3. Onlly reason I haven't... by trib · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... is the prohibitive cost here in Australia. The 15.2" Powerbook I want (with a spare battery and 2Gb RAM as the only upgrades) will set me back in excess of AU$4200.
    I get to play with a Mac a little at work for some of my app testing, and I have serious envy of the guy whose desk it sits on...

    1. Re:Onlly reason I haven't... by danrik · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your mistake is buying 2GB of RAM from Apple. They overchage for RAM unlike anything i have ever seen. Save yoruself some money and buy from someone else.

  4. Mac mini by dots+and+loops · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, it was the Mac mini which caused me to use the Mac as my primary home computer, not the iPod.

    1. Re:Mac mini by booch · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I second that. I bought a Mac mini the day they were released. I'd said since OS X came out that I'd buy a Mac if the prices were reasonable. And to me, the $500 starting price was quite reasonable for a computer to hook up to my HDTV. (I spent nearly $800, including the upgrades.) I'd used Macs frequently before, but never thought they were worth the extra cost.

      Just last week, I recommended a Mac mini to a small business owner whose PC got infected by viruses and spyware. I told them that it would be a lot easier to support a Mac, and wouldn't require all the anti-malware software. The owner ended up buying one for his receptionist as well.

      I wasn't really interested in the iPods at all. In fact, I'm more interested in an iPod nano now, BECAUSE of my Mac. I'm more interested in the NeXT-based OS, because I used NeXTs in college; and the ease of use combined with UNIX underpinnings. For other people, I recommend the Mac mini because of the ease of use, reduced maintenance requirements, and lack of security issues that Windows has.

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  5. Certified A.S.S. by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny
    Apple Store Specialists

    Do you suppose these specialists abbreviate their title on their business cards?

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  6. Re:Is it because I bought a Mac? by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny
    I seriously hope that I'm not lumped in that 1 million figure.

    According to the article, you were the 137,565th person to switch, sorry.

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  7. Malware huh? by Mkoms · · Score: 5, Funny

    They must have not experienced the Adam and Eve virus... you know, the one that takes a few bytes out of your Apple. [Credit: somewhere on the internet]

  8. Startup School by pHatidic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few weeks ago I went to Startup School, a conference for hackers with entrepreneurial interests that was hosted by Paul Graham. I'd say 80% of the people there with laptops had macs. It was one of the most amazing things I'd ever seen, to look back from the front of the room and see an entire roomful of Apple computers. I think Paul is right that most of the new Apple users aren't switchers, but rather are switch-backers. I for one am extremely happy with my powerbook that I bought two years ago, switching back from XP, so I don't think I will ever become a switch-back-backer. The amazing thing is that even though this computer 22 months old it feels brand new, rechargable battery issues aside. I have never had to reformat the hard drive, remove a virus, or uninstall any adware. I know that it is theoretically possible to get viruses on an Apple and there have been proof of concepts, but personally I don't give a damn about theory. All I care about is my last two years of "just works" computing.

  9. Re:Scanned by general_re · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I just scanned the article but where did they get these numbers from?

    Like many analysts, he pulled it straight from his butt. Or, more specifically, he gathered a few anecdotes from Apple salesmen and extrapolated them to cover the entire universe.

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  10. Ah, but how many Linux to MacOS converts? by Bazzalisk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Me for one ... my new machine will be the first I've had since 1997 for which Linux is not the main OS.

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    1. Re:Ah, but how many Linux to MacOS converts? by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I actually switched from Linux to MacOS because I was sick and tired of fighting with my system configuration everytime I updated my packages or wanted to install new software. OS X allows me to run all of the same OSS apps that I loved on Linux (VNC, SSH, irssi, etc) while at the same time being a joy to use.

      I first was exposed to OSX from the leak to x86. After that, I loved it so much I got a Mac Mini (the first mac I've seen which I could actually afford).

  11. The Mac Demographic (Re:Is it because I bough...?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    "I don't particuarly care for OS X at all... it's such a different UI for me that I'm just not all that comfortable using it."
    Well, here's the problem. Mac OS X, and in fact the entire Apple experience, is intuitive for a certain kind of person. Artists, fashion mavens, leftists, and other creative personalities can sit down with a 12-inch PowerBook running the iLife suite on Tiger and comprehend its sensitive, tasteful aesthetic. It's a rare instinct, this appreciation for beauty and truth; accountants and other such pencil-pushers haven't a prayer.

    In summary, unattractive squares should stick to Linux and Windows. Macs are for different thinkers.

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  12. I'm a statistic. by heresyoftruth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My hubby and I are two of those converts out there. After the zillionth windows disaster, we saved up and got a set of powerbooks. I can't say the iPods had anything to do with it because we didn't get a set of those until after we got the powerbooks. I always hated the overzealous mac lover, but it appears I just bought my way into the cult. I can't be happier to have switched, as I haven't had one problem since February. That's definitely longer than I went without having to tweak my PC box.

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  13. Mini by squison · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm sure a lot of those 'converts' were due to the Mac Mini. I know, for me, the #1 reason why I never even tried owning a Mac was because I wasn't willing to spend $1-3k to try something out. $500 is a lot easier to spend than $2k for a PowerMac.

    Then you have an ever-growing application support for OSX. Large games like World of Warcraft coming with a Mac client at release surely can't hurt.

    Plus, damn if the iBooks don't look a lot nicer than my drab, boring Thinkpad.

  14. Portable data Vs Portable programs by systems · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think, as time pass by, and more developer and systems makers realize that as long as the data is portable (.pdf, .html, .jpg, .mp3, .ogg) the system used to access the data becomes less and less relevant, I think more ppl may switch to alternative platform as they learn that their data will move with them.

  15. Slashdot OS X Typo award winner! by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello, you've won the "Slashdot OS X Typo" award.

    You see, in every Apple article on Slashdot, someone always makes a typo when writing three simple letters: OS X. Scientists are divided as to why it's so difficult for Slashdotters to correctly spell this very simple combination of letters (pronounced "Oh Ess Ten," the tenth version of Mac OS).

    Common typo variations are:

    1.) OS-X
    2.) OS/X
    3.) OSx
    4.) OSX
    5.) OSX86

    Related typos include:
    6.) MAC (instead of Mac)

    Yours, sir, is the first insane typo of many in the comments to come when it comes to typing three simple letters: OS X. Be grateful in your glorious splendor! You are a scholar and a gentleman. Good day.

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  16. Re:As a Mac user by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thankfully, there's a culture of excellence in software design on the Mac (and a thriving shareware market you can actually make money in, unlike on Windows). If by crapware, though, you're referring to spyware, I dispute the claim that Windows' saturation is the cause of its woes. For instance, OS X has no open ports by default and doesn't even enable the root account. However, Windows users got to suffer through, for instance, Blaster as it took advantage of full access to RPC. Windows is a poorly designed system that everyone was hoping would get a rewrite with Longhorn. Unfortunately, that did not happen. It looks like the registry is never, ever going to die. That's too bad, because the consumers suffer because of it.

    It's just that spyware and trojans just don't have anywhere to go on OS X, due mostly to built-in UNIX security measures. You can't even install something or have an app modify system settings without a quick password prompt.

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  17. Re:The Mac Experience - not all its cracked up to by MKalus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you had a look at Pages? That may just fit your bill?

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  18. Re:No Surprise Here by Laitment · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, it's based off of the Darwin operating system, and uses the XNU kernel, which is based off of both the Mach and a customized version of the FreeBSD kernel.

  19. Re:why don't you.. by Trelane · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So what you're saying is that we need a reliable Linux hardware vendor?

    I agree totally.

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  20. Re:why don't you.. by TClevenger · · Score: 5, Interesting
    WiFi is a great example. When I open the lid on my Powerbook, it wakes up correctly EVERY time, and before I can even get my screensaver password entered, it has reconnected to my Netgear WiFi router, reestablished all my SSH connections to my Linux servers, checked my POP server for mail and reconnected my iChat to AIM.

    I also can apply patches and updates without worrying about breaking anything, and I can continue to get fully supported OS and application updates for years (yes, even with the Intels coming.)

    Don't get me wrong; I love Linux. It definitely has its place (i.e. my servers.) I just don't have the time to play Russian Roulette with compatibility.

  21. Re:Security is a poor reason to switch... by phillymjs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess some people just cant handle the minimal amount of work involved in staying secure...

    Yes, we call those people "average users," and they are legion.

  22. Re:iTunes, not iPod by mr100percent · · Score: 5, Funny
    Can you imagine if Microsoft had tried to make a program like iTunes?


    They did, and called it Windows Media Player. It sucks.