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Leaked Pictures of Socket F
Robbedoeske writes "Dutch language site Tweakers.net has the first pictures of AMD's Socket F, aka Socket 1207. This socket introduces support for DDR 2 memory and some say it will offer the ability for a integrated PCI Express controller on the cpu. Socket F is meant to be used in systems with more than one Opteron cpu."
For those that can't read Dutch the Socket F looks like any normal chip.
It looks similiar to Intel's new design with the pins, hopefully it isn't as easy to damage.
I'm dutch so I could read the forumpost that started it all.
He actually said he counted all the pins, just to be sure to give enough information.
Funny stuff (being dutch rocks)
This is the sig that says NI (again)
Eerste post???
If true, it is interesting to see AMD moving to pin grid array-style cpu connection. Intel has used this for a little while now with thier socket 775 Pentium 4 chips. While there was concern over broken pins resulting in unusable motherboards, it now seems to be a relatively robust mechanism. I wonder what advantages AMD saw that lead them to this design. I also wonder if their Socket M, 940 pin solution for next years Athlons will use the same socket design.
The more I learn about Apple and Intel the more worried I get.
IBM is cranking out killer PPC chips.
AMD is cranking out killer x86 chips.
And Intel looks like they are ready to compete in some sort of Special Olympics for Computer Chips.
How the hell can AMD be making such better chips and companies like Dell still selling Intel powered crap?
Personally I never imagined integrating a PCI Express controller in a CPU. If this trend of intregation continues, what would be the next logical step?
Ahh nerd porn. While the rest of the world is looking at leaked photos of Janet Jackson or Paris Hilton, we're looking at photos of AMDs new processor.
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Just in case
The first photographs of AMD's Socket F have shown up on our Gathering of Tweakers forum. We wrote about AMD having put its new processor socket on its roadmap last May. The new socket is said to have 1207 connection points and is intended for multi-Opteron servers. To prevent the insertion of a DDR-supporting processor into a DDR2-socket and vice versa, a new socket design was necessary. The extra pins that came available are said to be used for an integrated PCI Express controller. What's remarkable is that there's a clear separation in the middle of the socket. This could indicate that each core of a dual-core Opteron has its own set of contacts and thus is treated as two separate processors.
The photographs furthermore show that Socket F, as Intel's Socket 775, will feature pins that make contact witht he processor. This is a so-called LGA socket: the CPU will no longer feature pins that have to be pushed into the socket. Socket F is also called Socket 1207, but carefull counting reveals that the socket only features 1206 pins. This socket supports DDR II 533-, 667- and 800MHz memory and this allows AMD to compete with Intel's FB-DIMM plans. The latter is scheduled to introduce its dual-core Dempsey platform in April, featuring the Greencreek chipset with support for FB-DIMM memory.
While AMD and IBM make technically superior chips, they simply don't have the mass manufacturing capability to compete with Chipzilla; a side effect of the huge capacity is the ability hae the quantity of procs available to offer deep discounts to high-volume customers (e.g. Dell and Apple) and still make money.
On a side note, the stuff due to be out of Intel by the time Apple switches the PowerMacs doesn't look too shabby at all - of course, we'll have to see what IBM/AMD are offering to compete.
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Yay. I'm still on the fence if all of these different sockets are a good thing or not. I've gone from Socket 7 to Super Socket 7 to Socket A over the course of the last several years. Now it seems that there are way too many different sockets to choose from, and who knows which will show the same kind of longevity that my past choices have. What's a guy to do?
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On our forum Gathering or Tweakers the first photograph of AMD's Socket f has emerged. In May we wrote all that AMD new processorsocket on its roadmap had put. The new voetstuk 1207 connection points would count and is intended for multi-Opteron-servers. To occur that a processor with support for Ddr-geheugen are pricked on Ddr2-voetje and vice-versa, therefore new socket were necessary. The extra pins which become available, could would according to reports be used for incorporated PCI Express-controller on the processors. Striking on the photograph the clear separation in the middle of the socket is. This seems indicate that each core of dual-core the Opteron his own group has contact points and this way real such as two processors it is treated.
First photograph Socket f emerged Yoeri Lauwers - Tuesday 8 November 2005 - 09.49 - sources: Redactie Tweakers.net - Submitter: Thandor - Views: 21,366 On our forum Gathering or Tweakers the first photograph of AMD's Socket f has emerged. In May we wrote all that AMD new processorsocket on its roadmap had put. The new voetstuk 1207 connection points would count and is intended for multi-Opteron-servers. To occur that a processor with support for Ddr-geheugen are pricked on Ddr2-voetje and vice-versa, therefore new socket were necessary. The extra pins which become available, could would according to reports be used for incorporated PCI Express-controller on the processors. Striking on the photograph the clear separation in the middle of the socket is. This seems indicate that each core of dual-core the Opteron his own group has contact points and this way real such as two processors it is treated. On the photograph is further also see that Socket f have equipped, just like Intels Socket 775, with pins which must make contact with the processor. The cpu will have will be therefore no longer pricked in the socket, but it concerns so-called Lga-socket. Socket f become moreover also Socket 1207 mentioned, but just like Socket 479 but 478 count pins, this model will have contact points also only 1206, this way precise telwerk expelled. This processor foot supports registered DDR II 533 -, 667 and 800-geheugen and this way venture AMD the gok to take on the competition with Intels FB Dimm-plannen. This last in April, as it happens, its dual-core will present platform Dempsey, with among other things Greencreek-chipset with support for FB Dimm-geheugen.
No one else is posting a translation. I'm not Dutch, but I'll take a crack at it (I spent a year in Belgium (Leuven) learning Dutch... and I like to practice it every now and then, so here's my chance). I have to get back to work, but I did do the first paragraph (Dutch speakers please feel free to correct me).
The first photos of AMD's Socket F have emerged on our Gathering of Tweakers
forum. In May we wrote that AMD had a new processor socket on its roadmap. The
new footprint should have 1207 pins and is intended for multi-Opteron servers.
To make possible a processor with support for DDR memory on a DDR2-footprint
and vice-versa a new socket was needed. The extra pins that are available are
according to reports for an integrated PCI-Express controller on the
processors. Noticeable in the photos is the clear separation in the middle of
the socket. This seems to indicate that each core of the dual-core Opteron has
its own group of pins, and so works as two processors.
The first thing that came into my mind after reading the parent and its replies, is that this is coming closer to what microcomputers used to be back in the 80s, with the MSX, ZX-Spectrum, etc. Well, maybe the keyboard will remain detachable, as will any User Interactive peripheral, but everything else used to be much closer to the CPU back then.
Op ons forum Gathering of Tweakers zijn de eerste foto's van AMD's Socket F opgedoken. In mei schreven we al dat AMD een nieuwe processorsocket op zijn roadmap gezet had. Het nieuwe voetstuk zou 1207 verbindingspunten tellen en bedoeld zijn voor multi-Opteron-servers.
Oh and....MULTIPASS!
You just made me realize that reading the article description got me as excited as looking at nekked pics of Paris Hilton. The big difference is that AMD CPUs are much more interesting than her and are more talented. They are both about as flat and prickley though.
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They've added the memory controller and now they are adding the pci-e controller. If they keep adding things to the chip soon it will be so big that they'll just put the expansion slots directly onto the cpu. It WILL be the motherboard.
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Every single time I see DDR and compatibility, I think, wait, why do you need anything else with DDR?
-Rob
Biblical fiscal responsibility
...it looks just so sexy... It so big, and there are so many holes...
My GOD... YES... YES...
Sorry... It just came over me...
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Real CPU's have the cooler mountet with two 10mm nuts...
Um, I can go out and buy a 754-pin mobo+cpu TODAY in essentially ANY computer store.
... they make this thing called "heat". Until you can substantially lower the power required you can't stack them, hell placing them adjacent to each other is enough of a challenge. And frankly, 32 processors is not something the bulk of their customers wants which is why they don't do it.
How is it "obsolete"? Obsolete implies replaced. I'd say they have what you'd call "two product lines".
Sure they're not rolling out new designs with it, but I'd say a 2.2Ghz 3400+ is way more than enough for a desktop box. It's hardly "outdated" given the fact the top of the line 4800+ is only 200Mhz faster [but with another core].
As for your idiotic idea of stacking cpus
I say screw your bullshit SMP, I want an LCD on the top of the die so I can see the contents of the registers at all times!!!
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
...600W power supply? :P
A single chip system isn't going to need 5000 pins, as there'll be nothing else (internal) to connect to :)
I can't tell from the photographs--is this socket going to be a pinless processor like Intel's Socket-775 or are we stuck with over 1000 fragile whisker-like pins? I started appreciating my new Socket-775 system after I installed my Socket-754 with all the fragile pins on it. At first I thought it was silly but after straightening out more than a couple whisker-thin pins on my Athlon 64 CPUs I'm hoping Socket-F follows the precedent of using pin pads.
Kriston
God, I hope that was drool.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Isn't integrating graphics on-chip a waste of transistors then? Unless Intel has given up on gamers and are aiming their processors to low-end users and workstations...
Second paragraph:
Furthermore the photo's show that the Socket F (just like the intel socket 775) is equipped with pins making contact with the processor. The CPU will no longer be pinned down into the socket, but the socket is an LGA socket. Meticulous counting showed that the socket F, also called socket 1207, only has 1206 contacts, just like the Socket 479 only had 498. This CPU socket also supports DDR II 533-, 667-, and 800 memory, being AMD's shot at competition with Intel's FB-dimm plans. The latter [Intel] will present its dual-core platform 'Dempsey' in April, with among others the Greenrcreek chipset with FB DIMM support.
I'm fairly certain that people do CPU inserts, not machines, even at places like Dell. Maybe even especially at dell, since one line of machines might change from month to month depending on who they get the board or parts from.
Either way, the point the poster was making is moot. Intel changes their sockets just as much as AMD, and the new CPU's (with the pins on the board) go in almost the same way mechanically as the ones with pins- put CPU in, pull down on a lever of some sort. I don't see how or why AMD would have to "get with Intel" on this issue.
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