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Leaked Pictures of Socket F

Robbedoeske writes "Dutch language site Tweakers.net has the first pictures of AMD's Socket F, aka Socket 1207. This socket introduces support for DDR 2 memory and some say it will offer the ability for a integrated PCI Express controller on the cpu. Socket F is meant to be used in systems with more than one Opteron cpu."

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  1. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    For those that can't read Dutch the Socket F looks like any normal chip.

  2. Yes, he counted them by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm dutch so I could read the forumpost that started it all.

    He actually said he counted all the pins, just to be sure to give enough information.

    Funny stuff (being dutch rocks)

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    1. Re:Yes, he counted them by FST777 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Allright, for the fun of it:

      At our forum, Gathering of Tweakers, the first pictures of AMD's Socket F have emerged. In may we wrote in that AMD has set a new CPU-socket on their roadmap. The new socket would have 1207 connection point and would be meant for multi-Opteron servers. To prevent that a CPU with support for DDR-memory is placed on a DDR2-socket and vice-versa, a new socket was needed. The extra pins which are available with this step are rumored to be used for an integrated PCI Epress-controller on the CPU. Noticable on the pictures is the clear separation in the middle of the socket. This seems to point out that each core of the dual-core Opteron gets its own group of contact-point and is truly treated as a separate CPU.

      The pictures further show that Socket F, like Intels Socket 775, is bestowed the pins that contact the CPU. The CPU will not be put inside the socket, but this is a so-called LGA-socket. Socket F is by the way also called Socket 1207, but like Socket 479 only has 478 pins this model only has 1206, as shown by punctual counting. This socket also supports registered DDR II 533-, 667- and 800-memory and by doing so AMD ventures the competition with Intels FB DIMM plans. The latter wil introduce its dual-core platform dubbed Dempsey coming april, with among other thingsthe Greencreek chipset with support for FB DIMM-memory.


      Even the dutch text was badly written, so excuses for the grammar and spelling. It's always hard to translate anything other than your own thoughts ;)
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  3. EP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eerste post???

  4. PGA by theantipop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If true, it is interesting to see AMD moving to pin grid array-style cpu connection. Intel has used this for a little while now with thier socket 775 Pentium 4 chips. While there was concern over broken pins resulting in unusable motherboards, it now seems to be a relatively robust mechanism. I wonder what advantages AMD saw that lead them to this design. I also wonder if their Socket M, 940 pin solution for next years Athlons will use the same socket design.

    1. Re:PGA by sarahemm · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you mean Land Grid Array (LGA). Pin Grid Array (PGA) is what they've been using since the 486 (386?) days...

  5. AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The more I learn about Apple and Intel the more worried I get.

    IBM is cranking out killer PPC chips.
    AMD is cranking out killer x86 chips.

    And Intel looks like they are ready to compete in some sort of Special Olympics for Computer Chips.

    How the hell can AMD be making such better chips and companies like Dell still selling Intel powered crap?

    1. Re:AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? by pivo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How the hell can AMD be making such better chips and companies like Dell still selling Intel powered crap?

      That's easy: Marketing

    2. Re:AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Marketing money. Intel writes big checks to Dell as "co-operative marketing" funds. Also, Intel maintains its own sales force, including technical support for developers, on the corporate level. Guess how they decide which HW platform to recommend - who's laptops they show up with.

      Finally, Dell isn't much of an engineering company - they need to keep they're offerings simple - both for their supply chain and support. Helps to keep it easy and cheap to acquire and sell.

    3. Re:AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? by NixLuver · · Score: 4, Informative

      How the hell can AMD be making such better chips and companies like Dell still selling Intel powered crap?

      Initially I think you have to consider exactly what Apple is trying to achieve. IBM won't play ball with Apple's laptop designs, and the powerbooks (as much as I love 'em) are being left behind, pretty badly, by X86 stuff. Intel mobile chips, as nearly as I can tell, offer the very best performance per watt of mobile solution at the high end (The G4 still kicks the crap out of 'em at comparable speeds, but since the fastest mobile G4 Mac you can get is 1.67 Ghz, it's a moot point).

      And one thing that the geek community loses sight of is that when we talk about AMD 'kicking the crap out of Intel', it's on a pass/fail basis; overall, they have traded the 'speed lead' several times since the initial offering of the Athlon, and rarely has one lead the other, in dollars per MIP, by more than 3-5%; since most websites that do comparative benchmarks trim the chaff so you can see the difference, the average page scanning consumer or geek gets a warped impression. If we have a scale that's 1000 units long, and Intel's chip does 990, and the AMD chip does 995, and we only show the last 10, it looks like the AMD is twice as fast, when it's really only .5% faster. In these days, a hardware site will pronounce a significant win over a 3% overall difference in performance!

      Application also matters. For instance, I do a lot of recording with pro hardware and software. The fact is that most of the software is optimized for the Intel chips much more so than the AMD, so in side-by-sides, I see about 20% better performance for the same hardware and software on my P4 over my Athlon. In some cases as much as 200-300%; I assume that those are REALLY optimized for the P4. But if I run up games on the two machines, the Athlon is 5-10% faster across the board (With the same video card).

    4. Re:AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How the hell can AMD be making such better chips and companies like Dell still selling Intel powered crap?

      Quite easy when you realize that that majority of consumers don't actually use the full capacity of their CPU very often. If you look at games the GPU is far more important than the CPU, which leaves heavy CPU use to media encoders, compilers and scientic processing. That's not really a big share of the market.

      Civ4 mins: 1.2 GHz or equivalent
      SW Battlefront II mins: 1.5 GHz or equivalent
      Call of Duty II mins: Pentium IV 1.4GHz or AMD Athlon 1.4 GHz or equivalent
      Age of Empires III: 1.4 GHz equivalent or higher processor or equivalent
      F.E.A.R. mins: Pentium(R) 4 - 1.7 GHz or equivalent
      Sims 2: 800 MHz processor or equivalent
      Quake 4: 2.0 Ghz or equivalent

      Those are some of the latest games released. PIV 2.0GHz was shipping in june 2002, so they are over three years behind the state of the art. And games are normally the most intense apps a user has. Basicly, an Intel machine does pretty much everything a computer user wants to do, so does an AMD. The rest is simply mindshare and momentum. Intel can drop their prices at any time if the market is slipping. They are simply balancing out taking out extra profit versus the threat AMD poses. If they don't watch out, they'll take a spanking in the professional market though, where admins are much more aware of what they're buying...

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  6. next step? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Personally I never imagined integrating a PCI Express controller in a CPU. If this trend of intregation continues, what would be the next logical step?

    1. Re:next step? by hal2814 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The next step would be that my co-workers would actually be correct when they refer to the box that houses the motherboard, video card, memeory, etc. as a "CPU."

    2. Re:next step? by pla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally I never imagined integrating a PCI Express controller in a CPU. If this trend of intregation continues, what would be the next logical step?

      Single-chip computers - A CPU, and a totally passive backplane that does nothing but provide real-estate for connectors. And most likely, you wouldn't strictly need any extra cards, with a decent (but not high end, thus the need for a bus at all) GPU included right on-die.

      Realistically, I expect two-chip computers as far more likely. Something along the lines of having your CPU plug directly into your video card, which has the standard video card parts on one side, and standard motherboard connectors on the other. And the whole thing could mount via a SECC-style connector to a power bus, right inside something just a tad bigger than current ATX power supplies.

      Drives? Uhhh... I'll have to think about that one. ;-)

  7. NP by kevin_conaway · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ahh nerd porn. While the rest of the world is looking at leaked photos of Janet Jackson or Paris Hilton, we're looking at photos of AMDs new processor.

    1. Re:NP by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny
      While the rest of the world is looking at leaked photos of Janet Jackson or Paris Hilton, we're looking at photos of AMDs new processor.

      No, no... This isn't even pictures of a new AMD processor... it's pictures of the SOCKET where the processor will go.

      It's more like pr0n pictures of a bra or a bikini, without anyone wearing them... :-(
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  8. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first photographs of AMD's Socket F have shown up on our Gathering of Tweakers forum. We wrote about AMD having put its new processor socket on its roadmap last May. The new socket is said to have 1207 connection points and is intended for multi-Opteron servers. To prevent the insertion of a DDR-supporting processor into a DDR2-socket and vice versa, a new socket design was necessary. The extra pins that came available are said to be used for an integrated PCI Express controller. What's remarkable is that there's a clear separation in the middle of the socket. This could indicate that each core of a dual-core Opteron has its own set of contacts and thus is treated as two separate processors.

    The photographs furthermore show that Socket F, as Intel's Socket 775, will feature pins that make contact witht he processor. This is a so-called LGA socket: the CPU will no longer feature pins that have to be pushed into the socket. Socket F is also called Socket 1207, but carefull counting reveals that the socket only features 1206 pins. This socket supports DDR II 533-, 667- and 800MHz memory and this allows AMD to compete with Intel's FB-DIMM plans. The latter is scheduled to introduce its dual-core Dempsey platform in April, featuring the Greencreek chipset with support for FB-DIMM memory.

  9. Yet another socket by Cerberus7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yay. I'm still on the fence if all of these different sockets are a good thing or not. I've gone from Socket 7 to Super Socket 7 to Socket A over the course of the last several years. Now it seems that there are way too many different sockets to choose from, and who knows which will show the same kind of longevity that my past choices have. What's a guy to do?

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    1. Re:Yet another socket by Jendi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There really aren't that many to choose from -- your choices are basically defined by "server vs desktop" motherboard (eg socket 940 dual opteron/registered memory or socket 939 desktop) and "AMD vs Intel". After that, sure you'll want to stretch your current investment as far as possible, but at some point you have to bite the bullet and replace your motherboard and memory, how else are you going to keep getting loads more lovely memory bandwidth for your system?

      IMHO, I'm going to try and wait until AMD M2 motherboards are available for a vaguely sensible price, and move to DDR2 memory with a dualcore Athlon X2 ... hopefully some time next year -- I reckon that will be the next platform with as much longevity as Socket A gave me.

  10. Re:Someone trasnslate the article by ghamerly · · Score: 4, Informative

    No one else is posting a translation. I'm not Dutch, but I'll take a crack at it (I spent a year in Belgium (Leuven) learning Dutch... and I like to practice it every now and then, so here's my chance). I have to get back to work, but I did do the first paragraph (Dutch speakers please feel free to correct me).

    The first photos of AMD's Socket F have emerged on our Gathering of Tweakers
    forum. In May we wrote that AMD had a new processor socket on its roadmap. The
    new footprint should have 1207 pins and is intended for multi-Opteron servers.
    To make possible a processor with support for DDR memory on a DDR2-footprint
    and vice-versa a new socket was needed. The extra pins that are available are
    according to reports for an integrated PCI-Express controller on the
    processors. Noticeable in the photos is the clear separation in the middle of
    the socket. This seems to indicate that each core of the dual-core Opteron has
    its own group of pins, and so works as two processors.

  11. Back to the '80s by cronot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The first thing that came into my mind after reading the parent and its replies, is that this is coming closer to what microcomputers used to be back in the 80s, with the MSX, ZX-Spectrum, etc. Well, maybe the keyboard will remain detachable, as will any User Interactive peripheral, but everything else used to be much closer to the CPU back then.

  12. Well, all I have to say to that is.... by aicrules · · Score: 3, Funny

    Op ons forum Gathering of Tweakers zijn de eerste foto's van AMD's Socket F opgedoken. In mei schreven we al dat AMD een nieuwe processorsocket op zijn roadmap gezet had. Het nieuwe voetstuk zou 1207 verbindingspunten tellen en bedoeld zijn voor multi-Opteron-servers.

    Oh and....MULTIPASS!

    1. Re:Well, all I have to say to that is.... by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Funny

      Better than the average /. summary.

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  13. Re:Is that a ball grid array I see by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 3, Informative
  14. Egads, nerd pr0n by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Funny

    You just made me realize that reading the article description got me as excited as looking at nekked pics of Paris Hilton. The big difference is that AMD CPUs are much more interesting than her and are more talented. They are both about as flat and prickley though.

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  15. Blast the gaming scene... by lpangelrob · · Score: 3, Funny
    I don't know what came first, Double Data Rate or Dance Dance Revolution, but I curse the second group that used the DDR acronym.

    Every single time I see DDR and compatibility, I think, wait, why do you need anything else with DDR?

    1. Re:Blast the gaming scene... by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Good that Germans made Deutsche Demokratik Republik (East Germany) obsolete :)
      You still can find some products "made in DDR" though.

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  16. That explains it. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Funny
    A new AMD Socket? No wonder the tech room was covered in drool this morning.

    God, I hope that was drool.

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