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Master Chief Revisited

vituperation writes "1UP has a feature up today marking the first anniversary of Halo 2. It's brief, but it manages to cover the hype around its launch, how well Bungie has handled its problems, and how gamers feel about the game after a year. From the article: 'Creatively, though, Halo 2 has been a less clear-cut victory. It's a technical marvel, one of the most visually-impressive games on the market thanks to its solid graphic design and gimmicky tricks like normal mapping. Yet it's also jarringly buggy in places, which has created no end of trouble for those who want a fair multiplayer match.'"

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  1. FIRST BLOOD! by zivr · · Score: 2, Funny

    FIRST BLOOD!

    1. Re:FIRST BLOOD! by tepples · · Score: 1

      "First Blood"? What the heck does the Rambo trilogy have to do with Halo 2?

    2. Re:FIRST BLOOD! by jarquet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nothing. it's just way less annoying that "first post." First blood is way funnier.

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  2. I'll probably get modded down for this.. by daveruiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In its first 24 hours, the game raked in $125 million dollars courtesy of 2.4 million copies sold. By comparison, Spider-man holds the current box-office record for biggest opening weekend take, having earned a comparatively paltry $114 million over three days.

    Not to say anything bad, but this comaprison can't really be made. The last time I checked, movie tickets didn't cost $50 each.

    1. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by emarkp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Last time I checked, $50 is still $50.

    2. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by jchenx · · Score: 1

      ... plus people don't pre-order movie tickets for months in advance. A better comparison might be to the latest Harry Potter book and how well it did the first day.

      Then again, money is money.

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    3. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Not to say anything bad, but this comaprison can't really be made. The last time I checked, movie tickets didn't cost $50 each.

      But on the other hand, a movie is 1.5 hours of entertainment; a video game (especially one with such a large MP component) is potentially hundreds of hours.

      Or, put another way, if a movie ticket is 10 bucks for 1.5 hours, or about $6.6/hour, then playing Halo 2 for just under eight hours, which is about how long it takes for a good player to get through the single player, means you've made the same entertainment-to-dollars ratio.

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    4. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by unixbum · · Score: 1

      The real benefit is the $50 is relative to the production cost, which is about $2 (Maximum) Compared to the same production cost of movies which are sold (by way of ticket) for $10.

    5. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by drewmca · · Score: 1

      I think the comparison has more to do with the total $$ than the number of tickets or games sold. $125 million is still > $114 million, regardless of how it got there. That's still a huge take, worthy of comparison against the film industry's biggest weekend take (and after only 24 hours, to boot). That is a noteworthy comparison. Regardless of what anyone thinks of MS, this says a lot about the growing strength of the gaming industry in comparison to the movie industry.

    6. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1
      then playing Halo 2 for just under eight hours, which is about how long it takes for a good player to get through the single player, means you've made the same entertainment-to-dollars ratio.
      My friends' copy of Halo 2 has easily provided several hundred man-hours of entertainment.
    7. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take someone along with you (co-op) to see a movie, buy drinks and popcorn, and there's your $50! Seriously, though - the cost of a game is for an interactive experience that will last much longer than a 90 minute film.

    8. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by rohlfinator · · Score: 1

      The OP's quote was in response to a comment by Bill Gates that "In the first 24 hours we'll have an opening that's [more] popular than any motion picture has ever had in history."
      Popularity implies total number of sales, not total earnings. 1up (taking a cue from Microsoft, most likely) completely misinterpreted that statistic, claiming that Halo 2's 2.4 million game sales were more impressive than Spider-man's "paltry" tens of millions ticket sales.

    9. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by indytx · · Score: 1
      In its first 24 hours, the game raked in $125 million dollars courtesy of 2.4 million copies sold. By comparison, Spider-man holds the current box-office record for biggest opening weekend take, having earned a comparatively paltry $114 million over three days. Not to say anything bad, but this comaprison can't really be made. The last time I checked, movie tickets didn't cost $50 each.

      On the other hand, I doubt that Halo 2 cost $100M or more to make. How much did Spiderman cost to make?

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    10. Re:I'll probably get modded down for this.. by brkello · · Score: 1

      Actually, it can be made considering gaming is typically a much smaller market than movies. Everyone watches movies...it is amazing to me that they made more than Spiderman.

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  3. Gimmicky? by ludomancer · · Score: 0

    "...gimmicky tricks like normal mapping."

    Yes, it's barely a step up from the games of yore and their gimmicky texture maps.

  4. Play times by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The last time I checked, movie tickets didn't cost $50 each.

    Microsoft's Halo 2* is rated ESRB::M, which corresponds to MPAA::R. When you factor in the ticket price, gasoline, popcorn, and babysitting for your kids, seeing a first-run theatrical release approaches 50 USD faster than you would think. Besides, because of the order of magnitude difference in play times between a video game and a movie, it's slightly more honest to compare a game to a theatrical trilogy (e.g. The Lord of the Rings, or Harry Potter 1-3, or Star Wars 4-6 or *gag* 1-3).

    *Not to be confused with Pretty Hate Machine by Nine Inch Nails.

    1. Re:Play times by imunfair · · Score: 1

      Yeah but that amount isn't factored into how much the movie made. They don't say "oh our movie made $114m, plus it cost consumers $25m for babysitting, so we made $139m!"

      You're right about the play times, BUT if you want to go there, then you also have to factor in the cost of the console, divided by the number of games purchased - accessories could be likened to popcorn I guess, some people buy it, some don't...

      Really though, the whole games movie comparison doesn't show us much - the markets are so totally different.

    2. Re:Play times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the play time on Halo 2 sucked ass.

    3. Re:Play times by RoadDoggFL · · Score: 1

      Sure, for the campaign... but I still play it on Xbox Live, how is that anything but replay value?

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    4. Re:Play times by Rancidlunchmeat · · Score: 1

      Are you going to factor in the cost of the gasoline that you used going to the store to buy your copy of Halo 2? Or the amount of Mountain Dew and Hot Pockets you consumed while playing Halo 2?

  5. Halo 1/2 on XBox 360 looking good at 720p by MBCook · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bungie's Anniversary Page has shots of Halo 1 and 2 on the XBox 360 in 720p (including comparisons with 480p) so you can see how good things can look.

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    1. Re:Halo 1/2 on XBox 360 looking good at 720p by shoptroll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *Yawn*

      Yeah, screenshots look nice. How much of a frame rate does it take when you bump the resolution and crank the FSAA?

      Besides, if I wanted something to look pretty, I'd play it on a PC. UT2004 even looks better than that.

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    2. Re:Halo 1/2 on XBox 360 looking good at 720p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you seriously think that the 360 hardware will have trouble when you turn on FSAA and bump the resolution? Idiots!

    3. Re:Halo 1/2 on XBox 360 looking good at 720p by MBCook · · Score: 2, Informative
      First off, do you really think the XBox 360 (somewhere around a GeForce 8800 maybe) will have trouble with FSAA and running at 720p for a game that is designed for an XBox (GeForce 2.5, maybe 3)? I bet the 360 could produce an image almost as good as an original XBox in software.

      That said, don't forget that this is "free." If you own Halo or Halo 2 and buy an XBox 360 (and with Halo 3 coming some day, many fans (and most all of the hard core will), you get this visual upgrade for free.

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    4. Re:Halo 1/2 on XBox 360 looking good at 720p by hollismb · · Score: 1

      Agreed. When I realized that Halo 2 came out a year ago yesterday, it hit me pretty hard that I've been going an system linking at a friend's house, once or twice a week, for a year, and it's still never gotten old. And before the whiney bitches come in and say crap about Halo being overrated or sucking, it's fun, and it's not the only thing to play on the Xbox. Rainbow Six (not Lockdown), Farcry Instincts, Ghost Recon 2 are just some examples of other good FPS titles on the Xbox as well. To say Halo is the only one worth playing is a little close-minded, IMO.

      But only in Halo can you perform what seem like miracles of gameplay, wherein you're behind in the count, you jack someone out of in incoming Banshee (while under fire and on foot), turn around and kill them with their own ride, then fly full speed across a map dodging a couple locked on rockets, and incoming tank fire, jump out in mid-air, pull out a sniper rifle, zoom in and get a headshot on someone while falling, and land on top of the same tank that was shooting at you, beat on the hatch, toss in a grenade right as the other guy jumps out of it, as you switch to a shotgun and put one firmly in his ear. Sure, it hardly ever works out that way, but it can, and it has, and it's pure gameplay bliss.

      There's a lot of strategy in Halo as well. A lot of people don't realize it, but it's not just about the best weapons, or the best vehicles, but it really is about controlling the map, knowing who has what weapons, playing as a team, covering eachother, and actually thinking about how to best approach a particular situation. Sure, the other team might have a rocket launcher, two tanks, and a guy flying around in a banshee, but if coordinated well enough, and timed properly, there is a way to overcome it.

    5. Re:Halo 1/2 on XBox 360 looking good at 720p by shoptroll · · Score: 1

      Considering this: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/11/ 2110226

      I don't think it's that reaching a conclusion.

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  6. Console gaming's version of crack by SalaciousPucker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Halo 2 may have flaws, but it's still gaming crack. Graphics and technology aside - the gameplay is really what sets Halo apart from other shooters. It's just so fluid, so damn smooth. It doesn't have the twitchiness of Counterstrike or the nonsense of Quake or its like. Yes, the modders and kiddies make you want to reach through the communicator and strangle someone.....but I keep going back, even a year later.

    1. Re:Console gaming's version of crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ".....but I keep going back, even a year later."

      Because there is nothing else worth playing on the xbox...

      And from the amazing amount of attention the ports of Halo and Halo 2 are getting, the 360 looks like it will have the same lack of worthwhile games the xbox did...

    2. Re:Console gaming's version of crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reasons I can think of for why people fall over themselves about Halo 2 is because they either 1) got into gaming recently or 2) are too young to remember the superior GoldenEye 007 or Perfect Dark on the N64. Those two titles really have yet to be bested (we can only hope with Halo 3 and/or PD Zero), with the possible exception of online play. THAT is FPS gaming crack. Anyone else remember all-night GoldenEye marathons with your friends? Or how about hacking out levels for multiplayer that weren't otherwise available with your Gameshark Pro?

      Halo is good, but it's not great.

  7. best...game...ever by manboy9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I never understood why people look down on this game as opposed to he first one or even comparable PC games for that matter.

    In my opinion this is one of the best games to come out in recent years. I have yet to see a game that's mor suited to having four friends gathered on the sofa killing each other long into the night. Console gaming kicks ass in this respect since you do't have to bother with LAN setup, moving your computer, etc. or the lag of playing online. I must admit I've never played on Xbox Live, but if it really does suck that much, why not just get some real friends together (you do have real friends, right?) and play with them.

    1. Re:best...game...ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have yet to see a game that's mor suited to having four friends gathered on the sofa killing each other long into the night.

      Keep looking. Halo's looked down upon because it's overhyped. By a lot.

    2. Re:best...game...ever by steveo777 · · Score: 1
      Umm... I love to frag on Halo as much as the next guy, and I hate playing on Live. In fact, I doubt I ever will again. Every time I give it a chance, some 12 year old whose parent's aren't home physically or mentally makes me wish their parents would take a belt to their backsides and bar of soap in the mouth. Anyway, here's a list.

      MarioKart... pick an iteration. DS version looks to be amazing.
      Perfect Dark on the N64. I had much more fun with this game than either Halo. In fact, when the Revolution comes out, I seriously hope there's a way to up that framerate. More weapons. More strategy (I mean, think about it, you KNOW they can see your screen, so after a while, no Radar doesn't mean anything, now you need to be able to hide!).
      Smash Bros. Either, they're both amazing.
      Donkey Konga, any. Don't knock it 'til you try it. It's amazing.
      Any version of Ghost Recon. One bullet can always kill. And running in the open gives you the same result.
      Super Dodge Ball on NES. You've never played a fun sports game without knowing the joy of slapping Igor in the back of the head while he runs back to his team's side.

      There are more, but I can't remember them right now.

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    3. Re:best...game...ever by mink · · Score: 1

      "I have yet to see a game that's mor suited to having four friends gathered on the sofa killing each other long into the night."

      For some the following are more fun:
      Devil Dice (PS2 version called Bombastic)
      Bomberman (5 players on the Turbo Duo) on ajust about any platform.
      Thril Kill (silly over the top but fast)
      Propeller Arena
      Toy Commander
      The Next Tetris

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  8. PC version vs XBox? by Taulin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I played the PC version of the first one, and I have to say it was pretty boring. I am not saying it wasn't a good game, only there are so many other shooters out there for PC that beat it. I agree with all those before me that say it is the lack of shooters for the system that made it big...PLUS! Many PC players today are actually scared of playing modern day shooters for some strange reason, and feal more comfortable playing console shooters. It is almost like they are intemidated. That and not being able to afford hardware to play PC shooters at a decent level. All these facts put together show why Halo did good in sales and popularity, and that makes it a winner.

    1. Re:PC version vs XBox? by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 1

      Intimidated by shooters? Like many other PC gamers, I own Half-Life 2, Far-Cry, and a plethora of shooters. I'm able to run newer games on two year old hardware without any issues. I'm not sure how you can justify your comment without pulling facts straight out of your ass.

  9. I'll get right on that. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    "That said, don't forget that this is "free." If you own Halo or Halo 2 and buy an XBox 360 (and with Halo 3 coming some day, many fans (and most all of the hard core will), you get this visual upgrade for free."

    This must be some new use of the word "free" I'm not familiar with.

    Where do I get my "free" Xbox 360?

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    1. Re:I'll get right on that. by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1
      Where do I get my "free" Xbox 360?

      I'll forward you an email on how to, I get loads of them every day.
    2. Re:I'll get right on that. by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      The comment was pretty clear on what "free" meant in the context. Do you a good reason to be critical or are you just trolling?

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  10. Halo 2 on Xbox Live was enlightening. by Hitto · · Score: 2, Funny

    This game bridged a huge gap between like minds across whole continents.
    I mean, what other game would allow the unwashed masses of twelve-year-olds to shout "ALLAHU ACKBAR FUCK AMERICA" or "DIE NIGGER JEW FAG" over the Internet so massively?

    Yeah, it's a real classy game.

  11. Halo sucked the first time through... by the_raptor · · Score: 1

    Halo really did suck the first time I played it through. It was a technically good shooter but didn't feel like anything special. And then you played it the second time through and noticed that in large battles the enemy didn't do the exact same thing. And the third time through they did something else entirely. The great thing about Halo was you could replay it and knowing were the enemies where didn't give you much of an advantage. Add in the fact that trying to beat it on legendary requires a ton of finesse and skill with the melee weapon, and it becomes an awesome game.

    It is a poor first person shooter compared to PC ones. But it is a brilliant arcade shooter, and that is what you want in a console. You want to be able to just start up a game and go to a good level and spend an hour blasting away.

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  12. I don't get it by Agilus · · Score: 1

    These pictures don't look that different.... In fact, in the first comparison, I thought the "better" picture just looked more blurry. In the second set of pictures, the enlarged versions were hard to compare because they were different sizes! After flipping back and forth between the larger versions a couple of times, I didn't see a noticeable difference.

    Maybe the later comparisons were more illustrative of the 360's graphical improvements, but I didn't see a whole lot to get excited about.

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    1. Re:I don't get it by Khuffie · · Score: 1

      The comparison in the second picture was this: the Xbox could only handle a 480p resolution for Halo 2. The 360 can handle a 720p resolution for Halo 2.