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California Class Action Suit Sony Over Rootkit DRM

carre4 writes "Lawyers in California have filed a class-action lawsuit against Sony and a second one may be filed today in New York. The lawsuit was filed Nov. 1 in Superior Court for the County of Los Angeles by Vernon, CA attorney Alan Himmelfarb. It asks the court to prevent Sony from selling additional CDs protected by the anti-piracy software, and seeks monetary damages for California consumers who purchased them. The suit alleges that Sony's software violates at least three California statutes, including the "Consumer Legal Remedies Act," which governs unfair and/or deceptive trade acts; and the "Consumer Protection against Computer Spyware Act," which prohibits -- among other things -- software that takes control over the user's computer or misrepresents the user's ability or right to uninstall the program. The suit also alleges that Sony's actions violate the California Unfair Competition law, which allows public prosecutors and private citizens to file lawsuits to protect businesses and consumers from unfair business practices. EFF has released a list of rootkit affected CD's and Slashdot user xtracto also has a list."

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  1. I understand the first two... by RandoX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But how did Sony's actions prevent people from suing? Was there a clause in the EULA that prohibited it? Since they're getting their asses sued off anyway, can't the judge throw this one right out?

    1. Re:I understand the first two... by canuck57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      can't the judge throw this one right out?

      He probably could throw it out but I hope the opposite happens. Toss a big fine and bad publicity to Sony for this. DRM went too far with a root kit and two wrongs don't make a right. Sony is going to have to learn this. But the worst may yet come for Sony, I for one will no longer buy Sony products.

      And of all things, to remove the root kit you have to run an Active-X control from an untrusted site. Just what we in the security business tell people for good reason not to do.

      So I support dragging Sony through the mud on this.

    2. Re:I understand the first two... by pendor17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't that (making it hard to read) exactly the point? I think that many companies write their EULA so that you don't WANT to read it, and writing in CAPS (which many people construe as "shouting") is certainly a "turn-off". In much the same way, many manufacturers setup their rebate programs so that you forget to send in the rebates in by the deadline. After all, this is capitalism - a corporation like Sony isn't looking out for YOU...

    3. Re:I understand the first two... by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you agree to not hold someone responsible for anything that they do to you, well, you're a moron who practically deserves to get taken advantage of.
      I don't think this is true, and a lot hinges on it. The problem is that in today's world there's practically no way to know what you're "agreeing" to.

      First, you may never see the contract. Maybe you are tearing the shrinkwrap off a box of software with some disclaimers hidden somewhere inside. Maybe you're sitting down to use software installed by somebody else along time ago.

      Second, the contracts are too long and complicated. It would be impossible for a company to conduct business if every customer who came in to spend $20 had their own unique multiple-page legal document that had to be scrutinized and accepted by a company lawyer. Not because companies are lazy or stupid but because it's economically infeasible. Yet somehow that's what we demand of private individuals (with no legal training) in dealing with dozens of companies every week. It's simply not workable, and gives the upper hand to businesses which conduct all end-customer transactions under the same contract (their own).

      Third, even if you know all the jargon and have all the time in the world to read the contracts, you really can't interpret them without knowing the entire legal framework. Which parts are actually enforceable by law, and which are just wishful thinking by a company lawyer? Do you know all the applicable state regulations? How about for all 50 states, or do you never order things from another state?

      The enticing ideal of two parties with mutual understanding entering a contract simply isn't very applicable to the myriad of little transactions we carry out on a day to day basis, and yet we pretend it is. That's why its such a mess.

  2. "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." by KitesWorld · · Score: 5, Insightful

    bleh.

    Anyway, It's good to see this happening. It's important to make sure that the major labels realise that while DRM is legal, there are limits to what people will tolerate - and damaging peoples machines is not something that people are going to tolerate.

    Heck, with luck they might even water down Blu-Ray as a result. I can dream :)

  3. Great, yet another reason ... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    not to buy CDs. Like I needed more reasons. They are already too expensive and they force me to buy tracks I don't want just to get the 1 or 2 I want. I know Sony *thinks* they are *adding value* which will incent me to buy CDs, but obviously they miscalculated.

    If only someone would offer a digital download service with CD quality content.

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  4. The mp3's have no DRM by psergiu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to buy a lot of music CDs. But after this wave of incompatible discs i just resorted to download mp3s as its sure that i can play them on whatever device i want.

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  5. Serious work issue by RoboProg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This poses a potential problem for me, as I like to listen to my CDs at work (ripped to MP3 format, of course). Security is a real issue at work, to their credit. I can't have my music installing spyware on my employer's PC.

    HELLO SONY! You are making your stuff unusable! Cease & desist, and all that.

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  6. DMCA defense? by hrm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope this goes to court and triggers Sony into mounting an DMCA based defense ("this is our copy protection system, and you don't mess with that shit even if does screw your PC"), then maybe people would get a better understanding of what a rotten law the DMCA actually is.

  7. I see stupid people. by Phoenix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And people wonder why I haven't bought a single CD in the past 5 years that didn't come from an independant artist. Sony will just have to lable me as a heathen devil commie mutant anti-social pirating slime bag since I now get all my music from other sources besides the traditional record industry. First it was a copy protection that killed my CD-Rom drive and my Car Stereo, now we have a major company turning into a @#$%ing hacker with intent on screwing up my system just to keep me from using thier music in THIER OWN MP3 PLAYER.

    Yes, I love the fact that Sony wants to sell me a MP3 player and MP3 compatable CD and DVD players, but doesn't want me to actually USE the damn things to listen to thier music.

    Go Figure.

    The other stupid thing is the simple fact that there is no copy protection that has lasted more than 2 weeks before it was cracked, and at times in the most embarrasing way imaginable.

    The one that cost millions to develop and was cracked using a $1.25 Sharpie marker jumps to mind.

    Frankly I hope the music industry dies. I'm just so utterly sick to death about the whole goddamn thing I want it gone.

    Phoenix

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  8. Re:"Nothing for you to see here. Please move along by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    t's important to make sure that the major labels realise that while DRM is legal, there are limits to what people will tolerate - and damaging peoples machines is not something that people are going to tolerate.

    It's not simply a question of tolerance or not; some DRM may be "legal", but (IANAL) installing a root-kit on someone's machine without notification or permission almost certainly isn't. If they get away with this, it'll be because they have better lawyers, not because by any reasonable judgement it is "legal".

    Of course, I hope it kicks up a stink for Sony too, but that's beside the point.

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  9. Re:Serves them right by pfrCalif · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's a good quote, would be work well for my buddy:
    "Most of the girls I've been with don't even know what rapid spreading gonorrhea is, so why should they care about it?"
  10. Re:No more DRM discs from Sony! by malchus842 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and just in California

    Except that CA is so huge that to market a disc in CA that was different than the rest of the US just wouldn't be worth the cost. Especially since CDs are bought online, etc. No, if CA wins, Sony will end up dropping THIS particular DRM method. And others will be less likely to do something like it.

    Also, CA isn't the only state with such consumer protections. Others will follow suit if this one works, or even before.

  11. The end of democracy by tomcres · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The California suit is really nothing when you look at the big picture. The reality is that we have surrendered our freedom, in fact, surrendered our supposedly democratic government, to rich people with capital interests in restricting our liberty. A lot of this has to do with the invention of incorporation, the idea that a company can be viewed as a "person" under the law. But just take a look at who makes up our government and what kind of laws they enact. You almost have to be a millionaire political party contributor or fundraiser to be nominated for office, and once in office, the politicians are not representing the will of the people, but the will of the lobbyist and big money contributors. If laws like DMCA or any other copyright or patent legislation were put to public referendum, they'd be defeated _easily_. However, because RIAA and MPAA and their associates put billions of dollars into the Republicans' and Democrats' pockets, they enact legislation that absolutely no one outside of those industries wants!

  12. Re:Serves them right by iainl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most division presidents don't even know what their precise bank balance is, so why should they care if a fraudster helps themselves to a couple of hundred?

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  13. Re:Buying a new computer by ad0gg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Umm.. if its not your insurance company, you don't have to follow their rules. Remember it was the others guys fault. Its there responsibility to pay for the damages they caused, they should be the ones calling dell to get the old parts. They want to be dicks about it, i'd say i'm starting to have neck problems and tell them i'm seeing a chiropracter. They'll settle right on the spot.

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