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OpenDocument Gains New Fans

An anonymous reader writes "The OpenDocument format is gathering steam, as several influential companies seek an alternative to Microsoft Office." From the article: "The ODF Summit brought together representatives from a handful of industry groups and from at least 13 technology companies, including Oracle, Google and Novell. That stepped-up commitment from major companies comes amid signs that states are considering getting behind OpenDocument. James Gallt, the associate director for the National Association of State Chief Information Officers, said Wednesday that there are a number of state agencies are exploring the use of the document format standard."

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  1. Unfortunately... by keraneuology · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unfortunately, under the terms of MS licensing these companies are prohibited from using MS Office to draft documents or emails discussing using an open document format.

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  2. I suggest by karvind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Goo' ol' ASCII for text and figures.

  3. Prediction by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Three years from now OpenDocument will be pervasive (the momentum is getting too great for it to fail now, especially when organizations face just as big of a transition to OfficeXML if they decided to go that route), and the #1 implementation, by far, will be Microsoft Office. All of the state governments will be running Office 12+OpenDocument SP1, and interacting just like they did previously. Of course a document opened in OpenOffice, or others, will be slightly different, and users will attribute it to quirks of OpenOffice, further marginalizing it.

    Sidenote: That bloody PIX SPORTS ad does more to encourage ad blocking software than any counter-commercial advocate.

    1. Re:Prediction by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are the mods huffing kittens or something?

      Several posts were bizarrely moderated. I think a very angry person got mod points today. :-)

      I agree that Microsoft will try (RTF, anyone?), but long term I think that Microsoft just has too many anti-trust watchers breathing down their necks at the moment

      While I could imagine some division heads or rogue employees putting intentional "quirks" in, I think just as a nature of the beast OpenDocument isn't an absolutely literally interpreted format (e.g. it isn't an output layout format like PDF), so like HTML there will be some variations in the way it is interpreted. If Office becomes the dominant platform, it will also be considered the "right" platform, regardless of how correct or not that is. If you layout a document in a certain manner in Office, and it displays differently in a different client, then clearly the other client must be "wrong".

      Honestly I don't think I was being pessimistic - in the Office wars I do think Microsoft has a vastly superior offering, and if it's just a matter of supporting this format to make some states happy, then after a brief resistance I think they will. Everything will go on just like it was, albeit with a new document format.

    2. Re:Prediction by IANAAC · · Score: 5, Funny
      Several posts were bizarrely moderated. I think a very angry person got mod points today. :-)

      That's because it's... Thursday. The last time something like that happened was on a Wednesday.

  4. Apple by pubjames · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know this has been speculated on many times before, but I'm convinced that Apple is going to pull something out of the hat with regards to this, may be as soon as next year.

    Perhaps an Apple version of openOffice 2.0?

    They have to really -- their reliance on Microsoft to produce a Mac version of office has had them in a vice for years, but their agreements are coming to an end and Microsoft's grip is slipping.

  5. Who is James Gallt? by faqmaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who is James Gallt? Him? Why he's the associate director for the National Association of State Chief Information Officers.

    Oh, JOHN Galt. John Galt. It's, "Who is John Galt?"

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  6. Re:Unfortunately... it reminds me of Fight Club by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny
    (Now watch as this gets modded +5 for no reason!)

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  7. OpenDocument Vs. "Microsoft Is Always Teh Winner" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is amazing to see the reactions a certain group of people have to the surge in OpenDocument adoption.

    This is one of those no brainer moves that would be unremarkable in any other industry. Technology makes the inevitable move to commodity status over time so companies can focus on competing in areas that actually give value to consumers.

    But with Microsoft there is a strange group of people who can only be described as "Microsoft Is Always Teh Winner" believers. The computing world standardizing on OpenDocument in no way negatively effects them and the continued use of the proprietary Microsoft formats in no way benefits them, but they have become so emotionally attached to Microsoft they see it as a personal affront that anyone would ever dare to not use the obvious choice of whatever the Microsoft solution is.

  8. Re:How much will it change anything? by Bob_Robertson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, that money will still be taken by government from the poor and mid-class people who would otherwise use it to improve their and other peoples lives.

    Software upgrades are already figured into the budgets, and a government agency will spend their money on anything, not matter how silly, before they will let their budgets be cut by even a penny.

    Near the end of every fiscal period, any money left over in the budget is very quickly spent, because if there is anything left over at the end the auditors assume that the department obviously didn't need the money and the next years budget will be reduced by that amount. This punishes efficient management and rewards sloth, abuse and waste. But this is government, and thereby I merely repeat myself.

    Bob-

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  9. Re:How much will it change anything? by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fair competition is always good for the consumer. A document created by a poor child for school under a freely available word processor on an older used computer will be accepted by the teacher. The idiot teacher will not be able to force the child's parents to trade a coat for a wordprocessor. Think I'm kidding, my niece had a science project fail because the document produced in Open Office didn't produce on his MS Word a lower margin of 1 inch, it created a lower margin of 1.25 inches, yes the idiot used a ruler. When he was told that the document was produced in Open Office, his response was "What's that? I said to use Microsoft Word!" and my sister who was an Airman Basic making $800 a month paid $399 for it!

  10. I don't get it. by Risen888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is there a reason that all OpenDoc stories must be filed under Linux?

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  11. DRM in OpenDocument by robbarrett · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article:
    The OASIS committees will seek to improve OpenDocument-based products for people with disabilities; add digital rights management features that would interoperate with Microsoft Office-based DRM systems; and standardize spreadsheet formula formats, Sutor [Bob Sutor, IBM's vice president of standards and open source] said.
    (emphasis added)

    Do we really want a standard that enables DRM? Is there such a thing as acceptable DRM? Why is this a good thing for OpenDocument?

  12. You are so correct. by jocknerd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have worked in local governments for the last 8 years. This is exactly what they do and why open source has a hard time making inroads here. The thinking here is that we have to spend money or we lose it next year. So around here, we have the latest copies of Windows XP and Office 2003, but we don't seem to have any money to buy a decent office color laser jet that prints duplex. Where are there priorities? Obviously, not on production.

  13. Re:How much will it change anything? by Risen888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me explain it to you. You can go down to your local courthouse right now and look at deeds, birth certificates, etc., from 1905, or 1805. A hundred years from now, people will need to view documents from 2005. Open document formats facilitate that in a way that proprietary formats do not.

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  14. A pretty easy sell by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 5, Funny

    to: ceo@oracle.com ; ceo@google.com ; ceo@novell.com
    subject: pissing in Microsoft's corn flakes

    Dear sirs.

    Would you like to lend your names to an initiative that will annoy Microsoft, and may eventually cut into their gigantic MS Office revenues? (Revenue they use to subsidize the parts of Microsoft that *your* company competes with.)

    This initiative involves a segment of the software industry that none of you compete directly in.

    Hope to hear from you soon.

    Sincerely - Open Document Guy.