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Five Linux Companies Buy Software Patents

An anonymous reader writes "In order to protect themselves against patent grabbing 'trolls,' major Linux companies are buying software patents through a nonprofit company called Open Invention Network. This nonprofit company will then offer royalty-free licenses to companies and individuals that agreed not to assert their own patents."

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  1. Do you have to have patents to join? by RandoX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or can you agree not to assert future patents?

  2. Maybe necessary by external400kdiskette · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whilst frivolous patent are inherently bad and shows the system doesn't work in the real world it might be a necessary defence to avoid future legal problems. So just hope they can stay non-profit :)

  3. The five companies are :- by wongqc · · Score: 2, Informative

    The five companies are :

    1) International Business Machines Corp. (IBM)
    2) Sony Corp
    3) Philips Electronics NV
    4) Novell Inc. (SUSE)
    5) Red Hat Inc

    1. Re:The five companies are :- by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 2, Funny

      2) Sony Corp

      Hmm... since we've already had today's Sony DRM article... lemme check my Slashdot manual...
      flip, flip, flip... ahhh here it is...
      Yes, since we've alreay had today's Sony DRM article, the newer Sony "Defender of Freedom" article means that we must express undying love for Sony until the posting of tomorrow's Sony DRM article.

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    2. Re:The five companies are :- by oolon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually this could be very good for the 5 companies involved, it kind of a devils bargin, as anyone who signs up for it can never use patents of their own again, however the founders are not so limited aways giving them an edge on you. I would also wonder if it is acceptable under the GPL, as patents require a non conditional/royalty free grant (for the GPL) to be used. It would have been better for them to say all the patents could be used in GPL programs and if you give up your right to enforce patents also in non GPL ones. This would drive alot more programs to become GPLed, and perhaps otherwise would have been overlooked as it would give them (the program) an added edge/protection.

      James

  4. I knew I recognised this by myspys · · Score: 4, Informative
  5. Gentlemen, start your engines by gringer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Okay, so the way to get modded up for comments to this post, is to pick a +5 comment from the following post, then give it a slightly different spin to account for the 23 hours passed since then:

    http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/10/ 1321238&tid=136&tid=233&tid=106

    I guess it's not a complete dupe... the linked article for this post is different.

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    1. Re:Gentlemen, start your engines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Looks like you've got a choice of eight posts. To summarise:

      1. It's odd that Sony is one of the companies
      2. Sony is a big company
      3. Sony is a big company
      4. Sony is a big company
      5. It's surprising to see so many heavyweights in an anti-patent trust
      6. "Fuck you Sony" gets misspelled on occasions
      7. Sony will help with cross-platform root kits
      8. We shouldn't treat software patents as acceptable

  6. That Didn't Take Long by campaign_bug · · Score: 2, Informative

    The story the other day seemed to indicate they were just going to try to protect their customers from litigation. I read that as "providing legal backing" etc., as opposed to actually buying all the patents!

  7. Patents are not a defence by Gopal.V · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Mutually assured destruction with patents work when the other company you are dealing with is a technology company shipping real software which could violate one of your own. It just doesn't work when you are dealing with the modern lawyer companies which hold patents merely to sue the pants off the big/little/ guy who comes under their sights

    IBM, Sony, Phillips and Novell aren't really Linux companies - they know that Free/Open/Libre software is the only way they are going to utilize the vastly under-utilized creative urges of the hackers of the world to fight their own enemies. GNU/Linux is just a primary weapon in their arsenal and they just want to keep it sharp.

    Even more sadly, the more we use patents to fight patents, the less backing the fight against software patents is going to get. To quote:
    They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither.
    1. Re:Patents are not a defence by xigxag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ^ True, but this may accomplish two things:

      1) Keep the alliance members in bed with one other, similar to the way that royal families throughout time have used marriage bonds to create extended relationships and maintain peace among kingdoms.

      2) Dissuade Microsoft from exercising its "nuclear option" in a desperate measure to fend off the rise of Linux.

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  8. In other news by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Funny

    King Aethelred of Wessex announced that he had purchased protection from the Viking raiders that have plagued our shores. "It was really easy," announced Aethelred, "all I had to do was pay money to another bunch of pirates to protect us from the first bunch. Now the problem is solved for ever, and I can't see any potential downsides." On the news, shares in PlunderCorp rose 35% in anticipation of a rich and ongoing new revenue stream.

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  9. anti-patent by doyoulikegoatseeee · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The idea of an anti-patent patent trust is as old as the hills, but to see this much corporate clout behind it was unthinkable not five years ago. It feels like there's been a sea-change and I like it. More important than helping IBM and Sony fight Microsoft, if this idea gained momentum it could seriously roll back a lot of the current technical stagnation on account of software/algorithm patents.

    Color me cautiously hopeful.

  10. Not an effective counter to threat of swpats by Sanity · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What about all the non-linux open source projects, or the small companies that create innovative closed-source software?

    Additionally, patent trolls are immune to this kind of patent pool since they tend not to create any software themselves and are therefore not vulnerable to software patents.

    The real fix here is to wrestle the patent system back from the "intellectual property maximalists" and get rid of patents on software which do not motivate innovation (just try to name one useful innovation in software we wouldn't have were it not for software patents - they are occasionally a by-product of innovation, but never a motivator for it).

  11. Fried air market by Nuffsaid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Patents aside, I wonder how much of current global economy is fueled by this kind of nonsense. $A_COMPANY gettin money from $ANOTHER_COMPANY, as long as $A_COMPANY's lawyers don't do $LEGAL_ACTION to $ANOTHER_COMPANY's lawyers while they are litigating $YET_ANOTHER_COMPANY about what they shouldn't have done to $A_COMPANY according to an agreement which wasn't to be disclosed except in front of $REGULATOR_BODY's lawyers... and so on ad nauseam. Maybe a lawyer could find a sense (wrong, of course) in the previous sentence, but it was intended as an example of the insanity of an out-of-control system where wealth is exchanged on the basis of what one doesn't do.

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  12. USTPO never wanted to grant software paten by MECC · · Score: 4, Informative

    The patent office never wanted to grant patents for software. They were forced to do so by the supreme court in the 1981 Diamond v. Diehr.[bitlaw.com]

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  13. So how long will this last? by mothas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What concerns me about this is what happens when a company changes its mind.
    There have historically been no shortage of bad actors (ex: SCO, Rambus, MSFT, etc). I can envision a scenario where a company might join until their encumbered tech gets into the guts of Linux, then change hands/die off/spin off divisions/etc. so that the entity bound by the agreement is no longer the one holding the patent rights.
    Even IBM's affection for Linux is unlikely to be eternal - are they equipping themselves with a big 'off' switch to use later?
    This plan looks to have some nasty ethical & financial failure modes. Of course, I'm not a lawyer and haven't seen the details in any case, so my fears may be groundless.

  14. A Tale of Two Dudes by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dude A is a MicroSoft sales rep. He was foaming at the mouth about new workflow solutions pouring out of Redmond. I asserted that there haven't be any new ideas in computer science in decades; the real issues are organizational, not technical.
    Dude A loudly protested that there was constant innovation.
    So I asked Dude B, who is among the hardest-core propeller-heads I've ever met. Dude B thought that packet switched networks were probably the last genuinely new idea.
    Clearly, as a working stiff, I have no idea about these things. The fact that the PTO keeps puking new patents for these ideas must mean that there is some basis for them, no?

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    1. Re:A Tale of Two Dudes by sukotto · · Score: 2, Funny

      no :-)

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  15. Won't work by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is, of course, that this will not work against patent trolls. Patent trolls have no use for the patents themselves, they are only interested in sueing others. So the OIN might hold off Microsoft, but it won't hold off sleazy extortionists whose only business is patent litigation.