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EBay Drops Charges for Developers Network

Rob writes "Seeking to make its presence in third-party rebranded commerce applications more ubiquitous, eBay Inc is lifting all of its API and transaction charges for developers. It's the latest action a series of moves to expand the eBay developer community. Last summer, the company opened up a collaborative website, the eBay Community Codebase, to provide a hosted project developer site for anyone willing to open source their code."

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  1. A huge win for everyone, just one more thing... by Shayde · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a huge plus for everyone involved. Much of eBay's usefulness as a remotely accessible database resource has been nullified due to these annoying charges. Without having a fee associated with access to their very own information, eBay is really opening up for third party developers to generate decent applications, rather than hav eto depend on scraping the HTML to get functionality. I've used JBidWatcher a lot for sniping, which relies on HTML scraping, and I'm glad we can move away from that.

    And before folks start going on about sniping, eBays very own policies make sniping the -only- way to do business on ebay with any effectiveness. Becaused they won't implement the simple policy of extending an auction based on most recent bid (a very simple solution to the problem of sniping, and one that would be an elegant, simple, and beneficial solution to eveyrone), sniping is now 'de rigeur' for any auction.

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    1. Re:A huge win for everyone, just one more thing... by Shayde · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RE: the sniping argument. What you said is totally accurate, but in reality doesn't work quite that way.

      People like buying things for less than they're willing to pay. That one fact alone is why sniping works. "I'm -willing- to pay $50 for this item, but damn I'd be excited as git out to pay $35." - if that $35 bid holds, I'll be a lot more interested in getting the item than I would be if it were $50. That's why sniping works. The difference between 'willing' and 'excited about'.

      If sniping were removed, this dynamic would change, and things would work as you suggest. Prices would walk up to the comfort level and stay there. I'm comfortable paying $50, you're comfortable paying $45. Things end, I win.

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    2. Re:A huge win for everyone, just one more thing... by mopslik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In fact the snipers are often shooting themselves in the foot with their technique ... - an item unnaturally low up until the end

      Again, this is why sniping works. With a few exceptions, other snipers aren't putting in their max bids. They're putting in bids a few bucks more than the current price, trying to get the best deal. The one or two people that put in the max bids at the last second are the winners, barring any overly-competitive bidders as you suggest.

  2. Does anybody use Ebay anymore? by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I seem to remember in 1998, I made my first eBay purchase, and it was a fantastic deal. Great stereo receiver, fantastic price, easy transaction and no headaches... it still works great to this day.

    Anymore if I happen to hop on eBay, all I see are hundreds (if not thousands) of the same HOT TICKET, LIMITED AVAIL, CANT FIND THIS ANYWHERE regurgitated items being sold over and over again to the public and over-inflated prices (dont even get me started on shipping at ebay).

    It's less and less a viable place to do business, as a consumer or a retailer, as the site is flooded with the same crap, mostly imitations, be hawked as hard to find, rare items that are actually useless junk. I don't even want to start talking about all the dam *FAKE* items out there, where you can buy INFORMATION leading to a purchase...

    I'm done with you eBay.

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    1. Re:Does anybody use Ebay anymore? by slackmaster2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah I don't buy on eBay anymore. Last time I used it, several years ago, it was definately a seller's market. Items were going for prices that were *higher* than regular online retail. So, a great place to sell something, but not a great place to buy something.

      That said, eBay can be a good resource if you know specifically what you're looking for. That way you can specify a good search and not be hit with so much clutter.

      I wish they'd make a "private seller only" version of eBay. None of this ebay merchant crap. When I use eBay it's to find second hand goods from real people at fair prices....not new stuff at retail prices from shady businesses.

    2. Re:Does anybody use Ebay anymore? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 4, Informative

      EBay doesn't give a shit. I discovered a scam, which is still going on two years later, where theives would build webs of bogus accounts and buy/sell stupid shit like $0.99 recipies and similar items between accounts. I found one account that was buying 50-60 <$5 items a day for a few weeks. They leave comments like "Great TV, supar ebayer A++++++" and "Laptop shipped on time A++++++ ASSET TO EBAY" for rolls of yarn or supermarket coupons.

      Then they stop all eBay activity.

      And then the thief doesn't do anything for about 3-4 months. At that point a regular user cannot get any details on the users history... Then the guy starts selling nonexistent laptops, iPods, etc.

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    3. Re:Does anybody use Ebay anymore? by pclminion · · Score: 4, Interesting
      And then the thief doesn't do anything for about 3-4 months. At that point a regular user cannot get any details on the users history... Then the guy starts selling nonexistent laptops, iPods, etc.

      A friend of mine got jacked for $4000 trying to buy a PowerMac and various accessories. The seller had spent 15 months building up a huge positive feedback (and she WASN'T scamming, but actually selling real items to real buyers!), then decided to "cash out" and skip town. She ripped off over a dozen people to the tune of about $250,000.

      Unfortunately, she wasn't that good at hiding, and she got caught. She got a suspended sentence and was ordered to pay back the cash, which has never happened. Almost four years later and my friend still hasn't seen a dime of the 4 grand.

      What baffles me is that this seller was running a successful eBay business and actually making a profit! Instead of scaling up her business and making a legitimate killing, she decided to steal people's money. Even if she'd gotten away with it, it is unlikely she could have repeated the performance without somehow giving herself away. It just doesn't make any sense. Some people just suck.

  3. EBay Drops Charges for Developers Network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!

    Oh, wait...

  4. Codebase Link by GreggyBUIUC · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since its not in the headline:

    https://www.codebase.ebay.com

  5. Sniping simplified (one opinion) by mopslik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    all of this sniping nonsense just proves how ridiculous people treat an auction like ebay (which usually leads them to grossly overpay).

    While a good number of people do indeed overbid because they get drawn into the competitive spirit of winning the auction, there's a simple reason why sniping is still effective: savings. Sure, you can enter your maximum bid straight away. But there's also the psychological advantage of deferring your bid until the end, for items with no bids on them. As a simple example, let's say that I see some widget for which I would pay up to $20. I place that $20 max bid right away, starting at $1. Somebody else sees that there's action on the item, and places their max bid at, say, $10. Instantly the bids increase to $11. Is that someone else going to get caught up in the action and bid $21 or more? Possibly, and in that case, I simply walk away because my max was exceeded. Or I could win it at $11. Or at $12. Or up to $20. Whatever.

    On the other hand, I know that a great majority of eBay bidders are into sniping themselves. If there's no bids on that widget with only 30 seconds to go, that other person might try to snipe it for $5. Having sold a few items, and bought quite a few more, I know that the most activity usually comes in the last minute, and usually for fairly low amounts. Me, I'll be entering my $20 maximum in the last 10 seconds. In this case, I'll walk away with my widget for a paltry $6 after bids. I seldom get outbid by someone who has the same strategy as this -- everyone else puts in a low bid, and maybe one more marginally higher bid before the time expires.

    Sure, this is all relatively unknown info -- there's no guarantee there will be another bidder, there's no knowledge of what the bids will be, etc. But it's a pretty good approximation of how a lot of eBayers purchase items, so I'll try to use that past behaviour against them to get me the best bang for my buck.

    The only way bidding before-hand benefits you is if a second last-minute sniper enters the same or a lower amount as you have previously bid. If you enter your max right at the last minute, you're guaranteed to get the same results as early bidding, but with a greater potential to save a few bucks.

  6. Can you actually BID yet? by lorcha · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Can you actually BID through the eBay API yet?

    If not..... <YAWN>.

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  7. There's actually just cause for this... by HerculesMO · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because Google has been rumoured to be releasing an eBay competitor, as well as a PayPal competitor into the marketplace. Combining their ad program with a simple and easy to use auction site can only increase their ad revenue because of the way the content is generated and who's viewing -- all by end users. Thus the AdSense program can adopt and learn market behaviors, as well as track buying habits, and only create more targetted ads.

    And since Google has released damn near everything (tm) for free -- including Picasa, WiFi, and today the Web Analyitics tools (which are awesome by the way) -- eBay is going to have to make their preemptive move against a Google entry. Google's name recognition and sheer dollar value will allow them to muscle their way into the market on this. But developers know that Google's API is lacking, especially compared to Yahoo and others, and eBay is already trying to capitalize.

    Either way, I look at this as a precursor for eBay to lower their auction rates and PayPal rates. Win-win for me. If Google does release what they are 'rumoured' to, then there's only more competition for my money and since I have good history with both companies, the lower price will probably win.

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  8. I snipe because by lorcha · · Score: 5, Interesting
    of the phenomenon that you mention. That people don't enter their maximum price when they bid like they are supposed to.

    Instead, they follow one of the following models:

    1. The emotional bidder: Bidding is war to this person. He bids and each time he is outbid he bids some more. He gets so caught up in the bidding that he doesn't realize he's paying 150% of retail for a used item and 200% of what he thought he was willing to spend on the item at all.

      Sniping helps deal with this problem by not allowing an emotional bidder to raise his bid once he is outbid. If he had truly entered his max bid like he was supposed to, and if his max bid is more than my snipe, then he's winning the auction anyway. But if he failed to correctly identify his max bid and my snipe is higher than what he entered, then I win and he can't get emotional about it. He should have bid properly to begin with.

    2. The minimum bidder: This person bids the minimum, gets outbid by the proxy system, bids the minimum again, and again, and again... then gives up. This drives up the price of the item unnecessarily, because the bidder was never serious to begin with.

      Sniping helps deal with this problem by not revealing my bid until it is too late for the minimum bidder to do his minimum bid cycle. He should have bid properly and entered his maximum bid into ebay, if he wanted to win. Instead, he just raises the price for me, which is not preferable.

    However, the biggest advantage to sniping has nothing to do with other bidders at all.

    Let's say that I want to buy a commodity item like a 1GB SD memory card. There are many auctions for such an item, which retails for about $60. Let's assume that I want to pay no more than $40 (~35% discount), but most auctions close for $45-50. Realize that there are hundreds and hundreds of auctions for 1GB SD cards, most of them end within one or two minutes of each other.

    How do you expect me to get my $40 SD card? I can't bid on one auction with 3 hours to go because I'll miss hundreds of auctions that close before the one that I bid on. And I can't bid on any of those hundreds of auctions that close earlier, because how will I know if I won the first auction? It hasn't closed yet! And I certainly do not need 2 SD cards. Just one. I can't even bid on an auction that closes in 10 minutes for the same problem.

    With sniping software, I group all the 1GB SD card auctions together, give it a maximum price including shipping, and then let it bid for me in the final seconds. It can see whether I won or not and if I won, it will quit bidding. If I lost, it will bid on the next one, and the next one, and the next one... until I win or realize that my price is too low and bump it up.

    I'm sorry if you think that I should sit in front of the ebay website all day and compulsively bid on each SD card auction, but I'm too busy compulsively hitting reload on the slashdot homepage, trying to get the coveted first post.

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  9. What a litigious society we live in... by daVinci1980 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Was I the only one who read the headline and then tried to recall who EBay was sueing?

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