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Brit TV Won't Go Digital Till 2012

judgecorp writes "While the US switches off analog(ue) TV in 2009, it stays on in the UK till 2012, according to a timetable, the Digital Dividend Review released by the UK regulator Ofcom. And while the US taxpayer will fork out $3 billion, there's no mention of government subsidising the switchover in the UK - apart from the licence fee which Brits pay for the BBC, or course. The good news is that the 112 prime MHz of spectrum freed up will be used for wireless broadband, rural coverage for wireless services, and unlicensed spectrum for data. All things that will keep us so busy, we won't bother to watch TV, anyway."

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  1. Inaccurate headline by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've got digital TV now. Millions have. The headline should read "Brits will keep analogue TV around until 2012". This isn't about getting digital telly, it's about how long we keep analogue around for the people who don't upgrade.

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  2. I don't care by dorkygeek · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't care if the signal is delivered in analog or digital form. I am only interested in getting more fscking pixels than with the old PAL standard!

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  3. No "hard" date required... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with the Masked Engineer. Don't have a hard date, merely print "a label on every single device with an analog TV tuner explaining to consumers that there will come a day when that tuner will cease to function and an 'adapter' will be needed at extra cost."

    That puts the consumer on notice and allows broadcasters to make the switch when they're ready. If they're ready sooner, the consumers were warned. If it's later, it's later.

    http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Masked-Engine er/f_mario_orazio-09.21.05.shtml

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  4. Re:There's probably no mention of subsidizing by taskforce · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually no, the UK government doesn't own TV any more than the US Governemnt does. The BBC (by no means the only broadcaster in the UK) recieves a liscence fee from the public who have a TV. This fee is only charged if you have a television (In theory, although they often have a hard time believing you don't have one if you actually don't) and the money is never seen by the governemnt. It is not paid for with taxes.

    In addition, the BBC wouldn't actually be the ones paying for the switchover, so the liscence fee is in fact a mute point here.

    The subsidisation in the US is supposed to be on Digital enabled TV sets for consumers; which the governemnt certainly don't "own" in the UK.

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  5. Re:damn it by taskforce · · Score: 3, Informative

    We have nationalities, we're not from Britianland. Yah... we're from Britain, which also includes the letters "Brit". Personally I've never minded being called a Brit and have always thought of it as a semi-affectionate term... I could be wrong on that but nevermind.

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  6. Whereas in Sweden by k98sven · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In Sweden they've already started shutting down the analog networks. Phase one (the island of Gotland and towns of Gävle and Motala) just started a month ago.

    It's proceeding stepwise but all analog transmitters should be completely off-line by Dec 13.

    Of course, Swedes aren't quite as TV-addicted as USians. (IIRC the statistic is an average of about 2 hours a day vs 4.5)

  7. There's something unnerving... by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Funny

    about seeing an American flag behind a British TV story.

  8. Several things by jfengel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Partly, it's about resolution; HDTV has more pixels, which makes for a nicer picture. And screen shape: the new digital TV supports wide-screen, which will make for better movie-viewing without having to compromise on full-screen vs. widescreen.

    It's also a lot about bandwidth. The new digital signals are more efficient than the analog ones, so you can cram more channels into the spectrum. (Which means you don't always get higher resolution; they can cram 4 old-resolution channels into the space for one high-def signal. And a station can choose.)

    And there's even more flexibility: a digital signal makes it easier to encode other kinds of signal: foreign languages, hypertext, etc.

    But mostly it's about freeing up a certain set of frequencies so that they can be sold off for cell phones, wifi, etc. That's very valuable bandwidth at a frequency which can be better taken advantage of by small, hand-held devices. Some of it is allocated to emergency channels.

  9. What happens in 2009 by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happens in 2009 when everything is supposed to be digital, and Canada still hasn't gone digital. Will it cause interference in places close to the border? I haven't heard of any plans for canada making the switch.

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  10. How about.. by hangareighteen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Giving some of that "prime" 112Mhz of electromagnetic real-estate to
    the Police, Fire, and Emergency response departments across this country.
    Because, you know, they need it. But first, a short story.

    HDTV first came to the United States partially as a ploy by the
    broadcast companies in this country. Congress got together and suggested that
    the public broadcast companies (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, and even WB) weren't even
    making use of 1% of the UHF broadcast television spectrum, and put forth the
    crazy idea that some of these businessmen give up a resource that they didn't
    even have plans to use.

    Of course, the industry response is predictable. They launch a
    lobbying and marketing campaign at full strength; the subject, HDTV. They
    get all their cronies from Japan to put together all this neat-looking fancy
    broadcast equipment and flat-screen high-definition televisions. They talk
    about all the capabilities, the greater services they will be able to
    offer the public through this new technology.

    The catch? HDTV needs more bandwidth. Oh, by the way, we suddenly
    have plans to use that UHF spectrum you were talking about. All of it. The
    broadcast companies basically strong-arm congress by telling them that if the
    public is thinking of taking "their" excess and unused bandwidth away, then
    they won't have any way to bring this new HDTV stuff into the country. And
    you know how Americans are about TV, and you especially know how American
    Representatives are about Big Corproate Money (of which TV has *tons*).

    Congress, of course, capitulated. They did, however, tell the
    broadcast companies that they had a limited about of time to make the switch.

    This, of course, was all the way back in the 80's. Since then,
    we've heard more and more from the broadcast regime about how cool HDTV is
    going to be, and how we're already making the technology better before
    we've even deployed it, and how hard it is to implement a brand-new
    nation-wide television standard, and how expensive the components have to
    be because this is high-def afterall.

    The FCC has delivered a deadline. Rescheduled that deadline, allowed
    the industry to go past that deadline, and then reschedule again. Congress,
    for the most part, has been pretty much unconcerned with this whole mess.
    And the American public is as uneducated and clueless as ever.

    The whole reason congress got together on this issue way back in the
    80s is because Police, Fire and Emergency departments were starting to feel
    the crunch of their own bandwith limitations. In order to operate as
    efficiently as possible, these organizations were among the first to start
    using digital packet radio networks to convey data to the field. They also
    have other constraints as police forces get larger, and criminals become
    more sophisticated. Adding even more to these problems is the fact that
    many large American Cities have many large American Buildings that make it
    more difficult to get a radio signal through.

    All of this became disaterously apparent on 9/11. Police and Fire
    response units even a SINGLE FLOOR away from each other found it impossible
    to communicate using their current radio equipment. None of the ground units
    were able to coordinate with the units actually in the building. No one
    standing on the ground could even tell those people risking their lives about
    the buildings imminent collapse, or to provide them with information that

    1. Re:How about.. by TheSync · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is totally BS. Spectrum is wasted in analog TV because analog NTSC TV has tremendous problems with interference between adjancent channels and same channels in neighboring markets. Digital ATSC is less vulnerable to these kinds of interference, and more channels can be packed tighter, reducing overall spectrum needs.

      Also there is absolutely no shortage of spectrum for "first responders." There were communications problems on 9/11, but they had to do with systems that were not tested properly, not interoperational between police and fire, not operational (like a repeater that wasn't turned on), and human error during a trying time. RF bandwidth was not an issue.

      Digital ATSC takes up the same bandwidth as analog NTSC, 6 MHz, although channels can be packed tighter on the dial. The 6 MHz provides about 19 Mbps using 8-VSB modulation, and those 19 Mbps can deliver a single-program MPEG2 transport stream, or a multi-program one, including mixes of high definition and standard definition resolution programs, or even multicast IP encapsulated in MPEG2 transport packets.

      For example, one school system uses their ATSC transmission to provide 4 SD program channels and deliver IP video-on-demand to classrooms.

      Now I won't argue that people are not making money on the digital transition, but they sure are not broadcasters. Right now, digital is a money hole for broadcasters, with their money going to transmitter manufacturers, MPEG transport stream server and multiplexer companies, HD camera and master control switching companies, HD editing software companies, and the consumer money is flowing to HD set manufacturers.