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Cisco Moving On Set-Top Boxes

nevermindme writes "Cisco has agreed to plunk down a whopping $6.9bn for Scientific-Atlanta, hoping to take a major share of the set-top-box market and push video efforts. The networking giant will pay $43 per share in cash for Scientific-Atlanta ($5.3bn) and swallow $1.6bn in debt. With the buy, Cisco acquires one of the more dominant set-top-box makers. In addition, it pushes well beyond the data center to touch consumers where they live."

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  1. Oh by Spazntwich · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What does Cisco bring to the table that nobody else does or can?

    Maybe I'm a short-sighted idiot, but I thought Cisco did networking products. I guess if I saw them getting involved in the set-top box market, it would be in designing hardware to setup a background infrastructure for other set-top box makers.

    1. Re:Oh by PDXNerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You haven't used cable in an upgraded market lately. With a cable modem you get your Internet, and if you plug it into your cable set-top box you have streaming TV, movies on demand, dating on demand, news, weather, etc.

      The cable box of the future will not be picking up the "cable" frequency per se, but rather handling a large amound of streaming traffic coming into the house. Perhaps Cisco might even make a cable-box/cable-modem/router all-in-one.

      The future of cable is right around the corner. By the time Cisco adds their IP to a box and gets it to market, it will be here.

    2. Re:Oh by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly; they want in on what's going to be a big market. And this way, the cable/DSS companies buy Cisco routers to talk to Cisco cable access multiplexors or DSLAMS to talk to Cisco cable modems/DSL modems, (plugged into Cisco home gateway appliances, thanks to Linksys) and Cisco set-top boxes, hooked up to your Cisco VoIP phone. And so on.

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    3. Re:Oh by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cisco does all sorts of things. They are constantly aquiring companies. You know those Polycom office conference phones? Those are Cisco now too. Cisco does just do IOS (thier propritary network management OS), they do Linux and other operating systems too. They have hundreds of Java developers as well. About the only thing Cisco hasn't gotten into yet is storage appliances, but I can only imagine that would be the next thing.

      What does Cisco bring to the table that nobody else does or can?

      Nothing. But the real question is, what does Scientific-Atlanta (soon to be a Cisco owned property) bring to the set top industry. What happens is these companies get aquired and are spun into a BU (business unit), and Cisco manages them and provides resources to the developers.

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    4. Re:Oh by AstroDrabb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What does Cisco bring to the table that nobody else does or can?
      Consolidation? I have a "digital" house. We have digital cable, digital Internet access and digital phone. My digital phone comes in to a digital phone/cable router box and then goes into a Linksys cable/dsl router. My digital cable comes in through a Scientific-Atlanta set-top-box which offers video on demand, HD and 100's of channels. What I would like to see is ONE box that can bring digital goodness to my house. I don't want multiple devices in my house. I want one. I cannot get VOD on my computer because only gets digital Internet. With one set-top-box in the house, any device could get any of the offered services. I can see an one-in-all set-top-box from Cisco that lets me have digital cable, digital Internet, digital phone, home router, VOD on any TV/computer, and WI-FI covering the house, media streaming, etc. Now that would be something I would like.
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  2. Set-Top box + DVR + Cable Modem + Router + Wifi? by TimeForGuinness · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So will I be able to buy a Set-top box with a DVR, cable modem, Wifi and Router capabilities?

    Nice.

  3. Cisco's been in the home for a while... by carlcub · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ever hear of Linksys? Cisco bought them a while back. Lots of people have their stuff. Probably not as many as have cable, but it's still a substantial number of households.

  4. All media... by Private+Taco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally I think it's about time the Internet, Phone, TV, music, and movies all become condensed into one distribution system.

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  5. No, you get a clue by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Scientific Atalnta is in1.6B in debit. Thus, when Cisco "swallows" them up, they are also "swallowing" 1.6B in debit.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with the purchase price of $43 per share, or 5.3B, other than the fact that the transaction will essentially be a 6.9B red mark on Cisco's balence sheet (minus SA's revenues).

  6. Too Much by Jay+Tarbox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cisco is trying to do too much crap. All sorts of acquisitions over they years that are all over the product map. They're trying to be everything to everybody and the house is going to fall down. There's already backlash from people (customers and potential customers) that think they're too arrogant and disorganized.

    1. Re:Too Much by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > ...trying to be everything to everybody...too arrogant and disorganized

      As may be, but Cisco is becoming the next Ma Bell (or at least Western Electric). They already have a lock on backbone and enterprise routing and switching; with Linksys they have a large chunk of the consumer Ethernet market, and here they are moving into the consumer cable plumbing market. Every byte you get from the Internet goes through a dozen Cisco boxes before it gets to you. Now we're going to start seeing the same thing in cable as well.

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    2. Re:Too Much by Fatal67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Close, but no cigar. Juniper actually has the largest share of public backbones. Cisco owns the edge and the IT networks.

      Cisco buying SA is a good thing for SA. Their IP platforms have historically not been the most reliable around. Almost anything they have with IP on it is a product they resell for someone else. Cisco can actually give them the IP interface they need. As everyone knows, Video is moving to IP, and currently, noone stands out as the main player for video delivery. Alcatel has a head start, but Cisco could quickly make up that ground. Sounds to me like Cisco can now sell a "headend in a box". Cisco has long held a position in the cable infrastructure with their CMTS. This is not a new area for them.

  7. Convergence of technologies and services by Fox_1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Cisco has been one of the leaders in VOIP technology -their office phone systems are really quite good-, as well as their more dominant role as a networking equipment provider. I can see them anticipating the convergence of network, phone, and tv services and acting to position themselves to be the dominant hardware provider. I know here I can get phone, internet, tv services through my local cable company, just as my local telco offers TV in addition to Phone, and Internet.

    Here is MSNBC coverage . Somewhat more info on the Cisco viewpoints.

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  8. sensible by peterjhill2002 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This story is almost 24 hours old... Cisco most certainly wants to integrate itself into every part of digital data transmission. Since there are alot of people watching "digital tv" it is a sensible purchase.

    Look at what else Cisco has done. They have a voip phone that integrates with Skype
    http://www1.linksys.com/international/product.asp? coid=52&ipid=821

    If you get vonage, you often get a Cisco ATA box to turn your analog phone into a digital signal...

    It is a great strategy for Cisco. They want to sell both parts of the package, the core routers for the Internet. DSL and cable modem concentrators for the central office. DSL and cable modems.

    I wonder if they will keep the company name or roll them into Linksys as a consumer product. I also wonder how microsoft will react. They want to get a version of their OS on cable boxes.

    Time will tell

    1. Re:sensible by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny
      > ...Microsoft...want to get a version of their OS on cable boxes.

      Oh my god. I can see it now.

      You have successfully changed the channel. You must restart your TV for the new changes to take effect. Would you like to restart your TV now?

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  9. Convergence by dana340 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I agree with the fact that Cisco is looking toward the conversion of data systems. Right now companies are offering cable TV, internet, and phone all through coax. In about 10 years from now, I predict that television entertainment will still exist, but it will evolve into something that cable carriers will stream into homes using their network connection to your home via coaxial connections, or via fiber. It makes perfect sense for Cisco to go into this market. it secures another market for them in the future, they can offer some of the equipment to make such the switch. And besides, who goes out to the store to buy a cable box? They're often provided by the cable companies themselves to be compatible (and expandable) with their existing infrastructure.

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  10. It's actually a very good fit.. by omgwtfroflbbqwasd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    [Disclaimer: I am an S-A employee] Scientific-Atlanta and Motorola are the main players in the Hybrid Fiber-Coax (HFC) infrastructure that the entire cable industry, and thus all of cable-based broadband Internet runs on. With the telcos getting into this market (SBC and Verizon), there is going to be a huge shift in the cable TV industry over the next few years. Cisco and S-A together will have the capability to merge cable (which consists of IPTV, Video on demand, DVR's, real-time video compression and content management), VoIP, and traditional Internet together in a way that no other vendor will be positioned to do. The HFC networks are already IP-based and interactive services will leverage this even more going forward.

    1. Re:It's actually a very good fit.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's completely not true... I was part of a Cisco acquisition myself. The company I came on through did eventually get disbanded during the 2000/2001 layoffs, but that was due to product readiness and profits within the business unit. I've personally worked on many acquisitions and 95% of the people are glad to be acquired and most everyone stays with Cisco.

      It's been over 5 years since I was acquired, and I can't think of a good reason to leave. It's tough to watch all of the Cisco bashing here on Slashdot... I understand everyone's perspective, but I think if everyone saw the big picture, they'd better understand Cisco's position. Cisco has a 96% retention rate, and it's definitely not because of the salaries....

  11. Re:Set-Top box + DVR + Cable Modem + Router + Wifi by Microlith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That would suck.

    It'd give cable companies the perfect means of making sure they bill you for every PC you put on your network.

    I'd like to keep my network seperate from theirs as much as possible, thank you very much.

  12. Linking the dots... by droopycom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    - Cisco buys SA (Scientific Atlanta)
    - Cisco recently bought danish company Kiss Technology - now part of the linksys division (Some of you might remember them as the first company coming out with a Mpeg4/Divx set top DVD player)
    (http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2005/corp_072205.h tml)
    - Kiss has a long standing relationship with chip maker Sigma Designs, Inc.
    (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kiss+Sigma+Designs )
    - Sigma and Microsoft are working together to enable Windows Media CE product, including Kiss products
    (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/nov 04/11-30sigmadesignspr.mspx)
    - Sigma is working with Microsoft on their MSTV IPTV platform.
    (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/sep 05/09-08SigmaIBCPR.mspx)
    - SBC plans to release IPTV service using the MSTV platform.
    (http://www.microsoft.com/tv/content/PressReleases /SBC04_IPTV.mspx)
    SBC will use Motorola and SA set top boxes for this (service.http://www.sbc.com/gen/press-room?pid=480 0&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=21772)

    Obviously Cisco wants to be a player in the IPTV space.

    This article is interresting also, cisco was not named, so they must have realized that their were getting out of the loop. Not anymore with the SA acquisition: http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2005/09/09/tv -broadcasting-microsoft-cx_dl_0909autofacescan06.h tml?partner=yahootix

  13. Makes sense to me by peterdaly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Contrary to what seems like the opinion here seems to be, I think this makes perfect sense. Set-top boxes are really only a portion of the SA business. The rest is in cable networking components.

    From network components to cable set-top does seem like a little bit of a jump, where buying up a company that makes cable networking equipment in general is right up Cisco's alley.

    I used to work for the division of Philips that made commercial cable equipment (no longer in business.) A modern cable system is really a modern day addressable network.

    My thinking is "wall-street" folks come in contact with the set-top boxes, so that's what they percieve the SA business to be all about.

    -Pete

  14. Article wrong.. $1.6b cash not debt by tpengster · · Score: 4, Informative

    I believe the article is wrong.. SFA has $1.6b in cash, not debt. CSCO will be paying $6.9b, but the effective price will be $5.3b since they will be acquiring the cash on SFA's balance sheet.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=SFA

  15. It already exists by Gobelet · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sagem is already making something like this in France, with an ISP called FREE.

    You get 20 mbps, digital cable, Internet, phone, router functionality, Wi-Fi coverage, along with Ethernet and USB ports... VoD is almost here. The box is called a Freebox.
    They added a few months ago something cool: you can stream media from your computer to the set-top box, which is plugged into a TV.

    And you get all this digital goodness for something like $35 a month (30).

  16. Register is wrong, it is CASH not DEBT by omgwtfroflbbqwasd · · Score: 2, Informative
    As previously posted, they are paying $5.3B net since the other $1.7B cash is for $1.7B cash. S-A has no significant debt, and definitely not $1.7B worth. Refer to these (correct) articles:

    As quoted here:

    Scientific-Atlanta also comes with a bushel of excess cash. The money in its bank vault will go to Cisco, shaving the ultimate price tag for Scientific-Atlanta from $6.9 billion to $5.3 billion.

    Or here.

    Cisco said that the net cost of the acquisition would be $5.3 billion after subtracting Scientific-Atlanta's existing cash balance. It also plans to assume outstanding Scientific-Atlanta options.