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Barenaked USB Drive

CryptoKnight writes "The Barenaked Ladies are releasing their next album via a reusable 128 MB USB flash drive. From the Seattle Post-Intelligencer article: 'Rather than distribute via CD, DVD or download, the Barenaked Ladies are making their newest selection of songs, videos and exclusive material available on a USB flash drive. Nettwerk Music Group is releasing Barenaked on a Stick beginning today, says the Hollywood Reporter. It plays on PCs, Macs and any other audio product with a USB port -- like some car stereos -- and costs $30.'"

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  1. If I had a million dollars... by altoz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd buy this thing...

    $30 for some songs?!?

    1. Re:If I had a million dollars... by gwait · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lets see:
      Ebay plain 128 MB USB drive sells for $15 - $20 US

      Average BNL cd sells for $14 to $15 US on amazon, shipping extra..

      So, it's not an absurd price.

      Oh, and a few details from the amazon page:

      # 128mg Flash Memory USB drive (2.0 technology, also maintains compatibility with USB 1.1)
      # Contains nearly 30 tracks of music (in MP3 file format), PLUS in-studio video snippets, live concert excerpts and more
      # Reusable drive can be used for any and all file types (limited to capacity of flash drive)
      # MP3 files included are completely DRM-free

      Also, it's 29 songs, cost you $29.00 on itunes for the works.

      It's not out of line, an interesting way to attract attention!

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    2. Re:If I had a million dollars... by skiflyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But they're compressed... what a bummer, the reason I don't use iTunes is because I don't want compressed music... now they're not even offering CD Quality music with their new release?

      How much for the 1gigabyte version with the flac songs?

    3. Re:If I had a million dollars... by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But they're compressed... what a bummer, the reason I don't use iTunes is because I don't want compressed music... now they're not even offering CD Quality music with their new release?

      Even CD's are compressed down to their sample rate. Of course, they're also compressed to maximize volume thus destroying their dynamic range.

      I'd rather have a cassette that was mastered well than a modern CD that has been smashed up against the noise ceiling. A 256 kbps VBR MP3 in the hands of someone who cares will sound a lot better than a studio producer in a Porsche mashing 100 years of audio engineering in a misguided attempt to be louder than Howard Stern.

  2. Won't work well with significant others... by The_Rippa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Girlfriend: Hey, what do you have on that flash drive?
    You: Barenaked ladies...why?

    SLAP!

  3. Re:Let me get this straight... by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're charging $30 for an album with compressed audio? No thanks.

    No, they're charging $25 for a USB memory card and including a double album of compressed audio for $5.

  4. Full credit for trying something different... by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Barenaked has always been a great band that does things a little different.

    In this case the sum of the parts is greater than the items. Sure the music can be delivered cheaper and a memory stick is cheap. But the willingness to try something a little bit different just to see what happens is worth some applause.

    By the way, these guys produce good music. They are worthy of support.

    1. Re:Full credit for trying something different... by BobNET · · Score: 5, Informative

      From another article:

      [Steven Page] said he believes if someone purchases a CD or a download, then they should have the right to copy the music to cassette for their car, to CD for their home stereo, or to their iPod.

      "I think largely the paranoia about people sharing music is a construct of the music business trying to find a way for itself to stay relevant."

      BNL didn't always feel that way. In 2000, the band sent out fake songs over the Internet to thwart downloaders. Instead of getting BNL music, people who illegally obtained the songs discovered pitches from the band to purchase their latest recording.

      However, that last paragraph isn't exactly accurate. What you could download was the whole song, but into it was spliced (and not mixed, so it was easily undone) several of the band members encouraging people to go out and buy the album. One segment was an outgoing answering machine message...

      And in 2003 they put instrumental versions of most of the songs on their then-current album on the P2P networks. Not that encouraging karaoke is that great a thing to do, though...

  5. Don't be so down on it by jimmyhat3939 · · Score: 5, Funny
    If you buy one you can copy the songs off onto your computer and then copy whatever you want onto the USB drive.

    Think of it. With this device you can keep 128MB of raw data under there.

    Hah! I just made you say underwear!

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  6. Everyones complaining... by Sinryc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyones complaining about the price, and yet no one is happy that mainstream bands are staring to use technology in a cool way. Also, if yourtoo lazy to RTFA.... "This 128 reusable drive contains 29 songs, including the band's 2004 "Barenaked for the Holidays" album, in MP3 format along with live tracks, in-concert spoken quips, album art, photos, videos and more."

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  7. Re:wow by MikeXpop · · Score: 5, Funny

    *Police Chief Wiggum pulls out a cassette tape*

    Lisa: Hootie and the Blowfish?
    Wiggum: It's cheaper than blank tape.

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  8. A glimpse of the future (sort of) by Devil's+Avocado · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is interesting to me because I think it's a glimpse of music distribution in the near future. No, I don't mean that USB sticks will be the medium of choice in the near future, I mean that music will be released *without* CDs or even DVDs. There's a certain camp of DRM apologists who say, "but I can always just buy the CD and rip the songs myself if I don't want the DRM from the iTunes music store/Napster/whatever, therefore the DRM on those services is OK." Those people don't seem to understand that in a time when CDs are painfully hard for music companies to control (just ask Sony), their sales are plummetting, and iTMS has shown that people are willing to buy DRM-infected music online in large numbers, the days of getting new releases on CD are numbered. If I were a music exec (eew, slimy!), I would be just itching for the day I could do a full-DRM release without releasing CDs at all.

    By the way, I *do* understand that in TFA the tracks are unencumbered MP3, but my point is about the limited future for CD distribution. No slight against BNL is intended, though I'm not thrilled that they're only distributing lossy encodings.

    -DA

    Oh, and by the way, here are a few stores where you can buy unencumbered music electronically:
    www.magnatune.com (lossless even!)
    www.bleep.com (lots of great electronica, including Boards of Canada)

  9. Marketing by Hoch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Barenaked Ladies publicists/marketing cooked up a winner here. The truth is that none of us, bar some small minority care about BNL, but it made it to the front page of slashdot. This is called a Press Hit. Their publicists are getting a fat check on this one.

    We seem to enjoy missing the point, so we start arguing about whether other bands will follow. I will put this in for kicks:

    Some might, but upping the distribution costs that much is not profitable long term since consumers wont pay $30 for the same thing everytime.

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  10. Tech Front Runners by DNA+Beast · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Barenaked ladies have always been at the forefront of using tech to get their music out there.

    I've bought their last three CD's online (including a solo project by Steven Page) with great ease and little expense. The last two were available in flac format so no lossless problems there. They even came with all the album artwork and lyric sheet info available in PDF format.

    When 'Maroon' was released they were one of the first bands to provide dummy versions of the song on file sharing networks. (You could download a 40 meg uncompressed file where the song started up but then to band members came on and started shilling their CD in a good natured way over the top of the tunes)

    When 'Everything to Everyone' was released a few years ago, I recall trying to get a copy of it from a file sharing network because here in Australia I couldn't get my hands on the CD for months. They flooded the network with all the tracks from the new album without the vocal tracks, so I had to wait. Now, because of their embracement of selling on the web, I don't have to.

  11. Re:Way to stick it to the man. by jaseparlo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Considering that you have broadband, you get the content faster and without the physical waist.

    That's weird, having broadband and fast content have increased my physical waist.

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  12. Where did it say 128Kbps? by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I agree that 128Kbps is too low a bitrate for audio that is supposed to be CD quality, but where is TFA does it say the songs will be at 128Kbps?

    Barenaked Ladies' previous album Maroon contains 12 tracks at about 47 minutes of music. I ripped the CD to MP3s with a bitrate of 192Kbps resulting in about 65MB. That's just over half the available space on a 128MB USB drive.

    Just for the sake of argument (this is Slashdot after all) let's say that they release an even bigger album on the USB drive--a full hour of music. That gives us:

    • 122MB of available space (about 95% of the claimed 128MB)
    • 60 minutes or 3,600 seconds of music
    • 124,928KB of space divided into 3,600 seconds of music gives us 34.7KB of space available for each second of music
    • Multiplying by a factor of 8 gives us a final bitrate of 277Kbps for an hour of music

    That is not bad at all. Considering that 192Kbps is very good quality and 256Kbps is considered to be at least CD quality audio (there should be no noticeable artifacts even to the most astute listener), this sounds like a good deal.

    If I were to guess, I'd bet they encode the files with a constant bitrate of 256Kbps. Using this bitrate they could fit about 65 minutes of music on the 128MB USB drive.
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  13. Re:Dude! You gotta stop buying Britney Spears CDs! by Howzer · · Score: 5, Informative

    > As a side note, why do audio discussions bring out the vitrol in people?

    I'll (probably foolishly) assume this is a serious question.

    Audio "wars" happen for a variety of reasons, but mainly because it's in the interests of so many people to "stretch the truth" about sound.

    From the makers and sellers of audio equipment (500 watts per channel!!!!) to the goldenears who run mastering studios (gotta have NS1s, dude, anything else is, like, seriously shit) to amateurs who want to justify the fact that they paid $70 for 7 cents worth of copper cable (most of the quality loss comes betweent the amp and the speaker, you know).

    All those people -- the first two categories, you'll notice, could be referred to as "audio professionals" -- are lying, or at the very least being very casual with the truth in an effort to either sell more product, book more business, or not seem like a schmuck.

    Your original post, and your confusion about what "compression" actually means wrt mastering techniques is a classic example of a classic misunderstanding that's been banging around in pro-audio circles for a long, long time, and has its origin in the "tape wars" of the 1960s. That war was started by the proponents of the two different ways of aligning the magnetic bits on a section of tape.... needless to say both ways worked, but there were two competing sales teams at work.

    The article you linked to suffers from a combination of diseases: the "good old days" virus combined with a heavy dose of the "misunderstanding basic physical principles" 'flu. Someone else, in other words, wanting to sound like an "expert" on sound so they can "we don't do that shit here" in their sales pitch and grab a few more customers.

    Please, don't think I expect you to believe me! I only worked fixing the computers in one of the world's top mastering studios for 4 years, and kept my ears open, so what the f*** do I know? You gotta bi-wire _everything_ dude, it's the only way...