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Breakthrough for Quantum Measurement

said_captain_said_wo writes to tell us that PhysicsWeb is reporting that two teams of physicists have developed a new method for measuring the state of quantum bits in a quantum computer without disturbing the state. From the article: "In the future, the Josephson capacitance could be used for operations in a large-scale quantum computer," says Mika Sillanpaa of Helsinki University. "The Josephson inductance and Josephson capacitance together would also allow us to build new types of quantum 'band engineered' electronic devices, such as low-noise parametric amplifiers."

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  1. Re:Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not sure

  2. Re:Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? by arrrrg · · Score: 5, Informative

    > Wouldnt this violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?

    Reading a qubit doesn't violate the Uncertainty Principle by itself; if qubits couldn't be read or written, they'd be worthless. The issue you are probably thinking of is that entanglements between qubits will be destroyed by the reading process (and there is no way to "read" such entanglements without destroying the individual qubit values).

  3. Re:Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? by arrrrg · · Score: 5, Informative

    I should clarify: reading the qubit will destroy all quantum effects (superposition as well as entanglement), effectively making the qubits look like ordinary bits (when you open the box, the cat's either dead or alive, not both). However, quantum computers are designed with this in mind; reading the output destroys any quantum properties it may have, but a computation can be repeated many times to get an idea of what uncertainty was present in the output.

  4. Implications in reverse order by Flying+pig · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Talk about looking for grant funding! Problem is, scientific illiterates in Government etc. think they understand what a quantum computer can do (application a long way in the future if at all) but not what you can do with very low noise parametric amplifiers (which might be relatively near term applications.) In terms of exciting progress in studies of brain function, small scale biochemistry, remote sensing and signal processing, very low noise amplifiers are critical components, whereas quantum computers don't yet exist, and by the time they do conventional computers should be adequate to deal with a lot of the data processing.

    Not to knock the discovery, which is very interesting, but it's a pity quantum computers have to be dragged into everything to justify research. I doubt that Tom's Hardware will be reviewing millikelvin coolers for your qubit box any time in the next 20 years (though I'd like to be proved wrong)

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  5. Re:Is quantum computing useful beyond decryption? by smeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quantum computing is also good for solving problems in quantum mechanics. No, really.

  6. Re:Is quantum computing useful beyond decryption? by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In particular, something like rendering an environment in real-time won't be helped because there's an unpredictable input (the human).

    Durring the 1/60th (or less) of a second that your system is rendering a single frame in that game, the state of the scene and all objects (as well as light positions, textures, and overlays) is very static. It just doesn't seem like it to you, because you are very slow compared to your computer.

    There could be hundreds of applications of a Quantum Co-Processor in a game, from testing for occlusion in a 3D scene, to making AI decisions in computer controlled characters.

    Quantum Computing may very well not be immediately useful in many traditional computation tasks ("While this value is true then do that") but it will open up whole new ways of tackling processes that are time consuming with today's methods ("do any of these things give us this, that, or something in between?").

    Just thinking about it gives me that Fuzzy Logic Feeling...

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  7. Physicist in the House by anomalousman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They can do what they say, but it's a lot more trivial than measuring the entire quantum state of the system, which is, as others have suggested above, impossible.

    The Heisenberg Unccertainty principle implies that measuring a quantity must add noise in the conjugate quantity. For example, measuring the momentum of an object spreads out the wavefunction. Another example, measuring the state of a qubit (whether it is a zero or a one) destroys the relative phase between the zero and the one.

    So the "non-destructive" measurement they are talking about means that they aren't changing it from a zero to a one or vice-versa. But they are (and must) destroy the information about the phase of the qubit state during the measurement. For a more in-depth discussion, look up "quantum nondemolition measurements".

  8. Credit where it's due. by kimmop · · Score: 5, Informative
    The article isn't totally clear about it but the Finnish university in question is the Helsinki University of Technology (in the city of Espoo) and not the University of Helsinki. These are the largest two universities in Finland and both have Physics departments so the distinction is important.

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  9. Crap! by werewolf1031 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I changed the article by reading it! Someone tell me what it says now...?

  10. Re:Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The uncertainty principle just states that you cannot know both
    the position and momentum of a particle at the same time ... in
    other words you can know both but not precisely, if you know one
    precisely you do not know the other ... because you have interacted
    with it.

    If you know that the particle is in a certain band, you do not need
    to know its location ... that IS its location ... or it is essentially
    trapped .... you do not care.

    If you have your cow in a pasture, you do not care where it is, as
    long as it is eating grass or hay in the pasture and how not escaped. ... best I can do.

  11. Re:Unchanged State by quoll · · Score: 5, Informative
    The article seems misleading in its wording. It says "read the value of a qubit without changing its value." This can't mean that it doesn't change the original quantum value, as this makes no sense. Reading a quantum value (a qubit) collapses the probability to the value read, by definition. This means that the value is no longer quantum. The original probability function cannot be read (though it can be calculated).

    The statement without changing its value must refer to reading the value reliably. When reading the state of an individual subatomic particle it is extremely easy to have the result perturbed by noise. Given that there is a probability of reading an alternative value, then it is not normally possible to tell when the wrong value was read. It appears that this makes the process much more reliable.

    IAAQP (I Am A Quantum Physicist). Though I could still learn a thing or two about subatomic physics.

  12. Re:spooky action at a distance by gauge+boson · · Score: 5, Informative

    presumably, given entanglement [wikipedia.org], measurement of qbit state allows potentially for instant communication ?

    No, it doesn't. The closest you can come is instant synchronization of states, but you don't get to choose what state that is. For example, you can have two particles entangled to have the same (or opposite, as in the EPR thought experiment) spin orientation, but you can't send a signal from one to the other by choosing the orientation. Instead, it's random whether each one is spin up or spin down - the only guarantee is the relationship between the measurements. This would be great for things like cryptographic key exchange, since you can't have a man-in-the-middle attack if there is no middle, but it's useless for sending information. See: The No-Communication Theorem (warning: requires crazy math skills to avoid the MEGO effect)

    nothing can travel faster than light.

    I call bullshit. Relativity prohibits* local superluminal motion; non-locally, it's fair game. See, for example, the Alcubierre Warp Drive - the only question of whether it's possible or not (aside from new physics) rests on whether there's any local superluminal energy propagation at the edge of the spacetime bubble. Plus, QM allows for lots more in the way of non-local effects (even if you assume hidden variables, since Bell's Theorem rules out local hidden variables based on current experimental results), though, as I noted above, it still doesn't allow for superluminal communication (or teleportation, for that matter).

    * Minor caveat: this is not counting tachyons, since nobody knows if they exist.

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