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Toxic Moondust Bounces Like A Cannonball

Jotii writes "A new NASA article says that moondust fetched to Earth by Apollo 17 is now being studied. From the article: 'Zen-like, he studies the a single mote of dust suspended inside a basketball-sized vacuum chamber for as long as 10 to 12 days.' Moondust is apparently very static, and bounces like cannonballs. Another article from NASA emphasizes the dust's toxicity: 'In some ways, lunar dust resembles the silica dust on Earth that causes silicosis, a serious disease.'"

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  1. flubber by know1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    whee, it's flubber! i bet those scientists had lots of fun. that is a long time for somehing to bounce, but i would imagine in a vacuum with no air resistance any bouncy ball would go on for a long time

  2. Previous Information? by lachlan76 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have any of the astronauts who were on the moon missions suffered from damage because of this? No doubt they would be exposed to it at some point during the mission...

    1. Re:Previous Information? by jcr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm totally sure the Apollo astronauts opened up their visors

      They did once they got back into the LEM. There certainly was an issue with moon dust inside the spacecraft.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Previous Information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not only the silicosis issue, but the Moon is also unshielded from UV (and higher frequency) radiation. This tends to break up molecules on the surface of the dust and makes them very reactive.

      One of the worries on a Mars mission (similar UV situation to the Moon) is that if a persons skin comes in contact with rocks they will be burned (chemically). This is also the reason why it is extremely unlikely that life is observable in the first couple of millimeters of Martian soil. I would imagine that Moon dust has the same hazards.

      Of course if you are trying to breathe Moon dust you are either inside your capsule or have much greater worries that the chemical reactivity of the dust.

    3. Re:Previous Information? by andreMA · · Score: 4, Informative
      As I recall, either Armstrong or Aldrin noted a smell "like burnt gunpowder" in the LEM following the EVAs. This was attributed to the dust.

      As to health issues, isn't silicosis the result of chronic exposure? I doubt the dozen (18 if you count the guy in the CSM being exposed on the way home) folks with the most exposure were exposed to enough, for long enough, to have any impact.

      If/when we have a long-term presence on the moon, this may be an issue. I suspect one easily solved by taking a quick shower in the airlock on your way back in. Obviously you'd recycle the water, distilling it if need be to leave behind the dust. Though I suspect that in the presence of water and being allowed to sit a while, it might form a sludge that settles. Failing that, I'm sure there's something that could be added to bind it into a harmless solid.

      Filtering the air, electrostatic precipitation, etc. would also likely be a good idea.

    4. Re:Previous Information? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative

      As to health issues, isn't silicosis the result of chronic exposure?

      Silicosis is the result of chronic exposure to crystalline silica, and it was believed that the illness was caused by mechanical irritation and subsequent scarring (plaques) of the lung tissues. Amorphous silica was considered to be safe since its rounded aspect meant it could be removed by the body's macrophages relatively easily.

      We do know now though, there is a form of acute silicosis which is caused by inflammation of the lung tissues in contact with large amounts of silica (chemical toxicity). The onset is much more rapid (weeks or months instead of years) but it is likely it will be a treatable illness where chronic silicosis is not.

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  3. Suggestion... by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think that if this study proves that moondust can be dangerous, any astronauts stationed to a moonbase should probably just stay inside. Or at least, cover their mouths while they're roaming around outside. No sense in risking your health by walking around outside on the moon without any kind of protection for your lungs.

  4. Re:If you find yourself breathing moondust... by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah.

    Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicolunarconiosis.

  5. bounces like cannonballs? by OBeardedOne · · Score: 4, Funny

    Last time I tried to bounce a cannonball I was thrown off the team.

  6. Re:I'm confused by Potato+Battery · · Score: 4, Funny

    They tested it by firing it at a model of the USS Constitution carved out of a grain of rice. The moondust cannonballs were found to be much more effective at doing damage to the hulls of an armada of less-well crafted microscopic ships of war.

    I think the "cannonball" reference indicates the powers that be have let slip a little too much:

    • there is life on the moon
    • it has attained a level of technology roughly that of 16th century through 18th century Europe
    • they are very little
    • we are planning to fight them on their terms
  7. statically bouncing by xfletch · · Score: 5, Funny
    I for one welcome our statically bouncing moondust neighbours

    I think the poster has grasped the less than clear point that 'bouncing like cannonballs' means not bouncing at all. Perhaps 'bounces like watermelons' would have been better, but then again 'melons' and 'bouncing' in the same sentence may have distracted some of our younger readers...

  8. Moondust is toxic by brainwash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the same NASA site, there's an article about the toxicity of moondust. It appears that because of its small particle size (10 microns), the moondust gets embedded into lungs, just like quartz used to do in the old mining days, causing silicosis.
    The astronauts did inhale some of the moondust, with effects similar to a hay fever.
    Not only that, but the dust is statically charged because of the Sun and lack of humidity, so it will stick to just about anything, causing abrasion.
    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/22apr_dont inhale.htm
    There are plans to build a "microwave lunar lawn mower" that will melt the dust into something useful and stop it from bouncing.
    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/09nov_lawn mower.htm

  9. Re:Zen-like, he studies the a single mote of dust. by lxs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Moondust bounces high
    Suspended in emptiness
    A scientist coughs

  10. Re:Watch out NBA by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cannonballs bounce nicely when fired from a cannon. I've read descriptions of American Civil War battles that noted how cannonballs gracefully bounced across the battlefield. Although fascinating to watch, they were still extremely dangerous to anyone in their path.

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  11. Re:Watch out NBA by sweetnjguy29 · · Score: 5, Informative
    If everyone would RTFA, the actual quote is Eventually, the repulsive charges become so strong that grains are launched off the surface "like cannonballs" not "Moondust bounces like cannonballs" as the slashdot summary states.

    However, as the previous poster mentioned, cannonballs do in fact bounce. However, I doubt that it would be possible to actually see the bouncing cannon ball itself, as it is probably moving at least 300 m/s or so. (I imagine that most of the collisions were highly elastic...allowing a bounce) especially since archeologically recovered canonballs dont have too much damage to them. However, you could probably see the dust rising from where the canon ball is skipping...as well as the effect on any troops in the way. I remember watching a show on the Military Channel where they filmed different types of cannon shot...in slow motion...so you could see how the ball skipped/bounced and lost energy.

  12. Re:Watch out NBA by Perf · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think you are assuming too much...

    Personal accounts by a Civil War era soldier (my great grandfather) say that the cannon balls looked like softballs bouncing across the field. He said that you would think you could put your foot out and stop it, but if you did, you'd lose your leg.

    Also, when the light is right, I've seen 22 bullets in flight. (22 Long Rifle) I was a doubter until someone showed me.