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Diebold Threatens to Pull Out of North Carolina

foobaric writes "A North Carolina judge ruled that Diebold may not be protected from criminal prosecution if it fails to disclose the code behind its voting machines as required by law. In response, Diebold has threatened to pull out of North Carolina." From the article: "The dispute centers on the state's requirement that suppliers place in escrow 'all software that is relevant to functionality, setup, configuration, and operation of the voting system,' as well as a list of programmers responsible for creating the software. That's not possible for Diebold's machines, which use Microsoft Windows, Hanna said. The company does not have the right to provide Microsoft's code, he said, adding it would be impossible to provide the names of every programmer who worked on Windows."

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  1. The headline should read: by chris_mahan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Diebold forced out of North Carolina.

    "Under pressure to comply with State Law, Diebold insead chooses to leave the field to its competitors."

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    "Piter, too, is dead."

  2. Re:Proprietary shitware by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Usually when you develop an embedded system, you demand code escrow from your suppliers. Microsoft is a special case though, because when they enter the conversation everybody seems to become stupid. If they had gone with any other vendor (I'm not just talking Linux here... They could have used VxWorks, QNX, BSD, one of the various DOSes...) they would have had code escrow. I bet they do for every other third party bit of software on their machine.

    The list of developer names is pretty unreasonable, but code escrow is something that happens all the time, and only Microsoft manages to get out of it.

  3. Aren't these guys using Windows CE? by Utopia · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows CE source code is available
    http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/Li censing/WindowsCE.mspx

    With Windows CE, "OEM customers worldwide can create and distribute commercial derivatives of the Windows CE 5.0 operating system source code for shipping in commercial devices without notifying Microsoft or sharing their derivative works with the embedded community."

  4. as well as a list of programmers by everphilski · · Score: 3, Informative

    as well as a list of programmers responsible for creating the software.

    If they were using Linux, do you really think they could provide a list of programmers? I mean come on think of the thousands upon thousands who have contributed, many times without mention...

    -everphilski-

  5. Re:*Who* threatens? by killjoe · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's what happens in a free economy. Alas when dealing with govt purchases there is a tremendous amount of corruption and backroom dealing. Chances are the spec was written to make sure only diebold machines qualified. This is a common tactic when the bribes have already been received, hands have already been shaken, winks and nudges have already been traded.

    If Diebold pulls out and somebody else steps in Diebold will sue the state for choosing a vendor which did not qualify under the original bid.

    Most often laws and bids are written to benefit just one company like when a law gets passed exempting "any aluminum processing company which employs more then 300 people in a designated enterprise zone" meaning the alcoa plant down the street.

    Procurement is the same. The specs are written so that only product complies.

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    evil is as evil does
  6. Background info by OWJones · · Score: 4, Informative

    Note: I have been working on voting integrity issues in North Carolina for a little while now, and advised the committees that drafted the bill in question.

    The state passed a pretty comprehensive election reform bill, which included the provision that all vendors must hand over all code that runs, is installed on, or is otherwised used in the operation of the voting machines. No if, ands, or buts.

    Our State Board of Elections did not like this. They want paperless voting machines, and badly. Like a six-year-old that's been told to clean up its room, they're dragging their feet on enforcing these (and other provisions). When writing the Request For Purchase (bid requirements), some staffer added a "clarification" that the vendors only had to hand over "available" software, and simply explain why they couldn't hand over the rest. In other words, "Here's why I'm going to be breaking the law today."

    Lawmakers were not happy. The SBOE, however, didn't particularly care. They didn't see a problem with only handing over a portion of the code, and wanted to interpret the law as loosely as possible.

    Diebold pointed out that "available" was different than "everything", and actually got a restraining order that prevented the state from suing them for not complying with any of the new provisions of the law. This case essentially overturned that ruling, saying "Uh, no, you actually have to comply with the law." Technically it says, "Ask your lawyers for legal advice, not the court, we're not going to pre-judge the law before there's an actual conflict (i.e., you actually get sued for violating these provisions."

    So Diebold is going to take their ball and go home, since they would actually have to play by the rules. Oh well.

    On a side note, I didn't see any evidence that Diebold actually tried to get a Shared Source license from Microsoft, which would actually let them escrow the code. Maybe Diebold didn't actually want to escrow, well, anything?

    Imagine that.

    -jdm

    1. Re:Background info by OWJones · · Score: 3, Informative

      To be honest, I think that the software's the wrong thing to be looking at. Simply require an audit trail that's independent of the machine count and will let you verify whether the machine tallies are correct without having to assume any part of the machine side is accurate, eg. a paper ballot printed, inspected by the voter and deposited in a ballot box handled seperately from the machine's memory packs.

      The law also requires that. But examining the source code also gives you insight into the development process, not just the product.

      Then mandate random comparisons of a sample of the machine results with the audit trail, with any significant discrepancy triggering an automatic across-the-board audit.

      The law also requires that. It's a pretty good election reform law, across-the-board.

      -jdm

  7. Re:Message Loud and Clear... by greed · · Score: 4, Informative
    And really, what would be the point of having access to half of the software stack?

    You haven't read Ken Thompson's famous bit on how to trojan the compiler and a particular application so that you can't find any trace of the trojan in the source code for either one, then? (Was the first hit on a Google for "compiler trojan trust".)

    Basically, if you don't have the entire stack, and a completely independent way to compile it, you have no idea what is happening in a completed stack. Especially if the code running at high privilege; you could have your I/O drivers replacing code blocks on load so that the application suite audits correctly.

    Look at how much spyware for Windows works by intercepting basic system calls. Unless you have a trustable, independent way of re-creating the software stack, and then verifying that exact stack is actually running on the machine, you've got no reason to trust the box.

    So, for any environment where trust is important, almost any operating system is too complicated.

    Maybe not "COMMODORE BASIC V2", even though it's from Microsoft.

  8. Re:Proprietary shitware by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Informative

    First of all, Insightful my ass. The moderators of your comment should be shot.

    Second, your comment is interesting, considering two things:

    First, that this is an article about how Diebold can't profide North Carolina with source escrow because it can't provide the Windows code. (You did read the article, right? Or perhaps you'd like to borrow some clue?) Regardless, the shared source license it part of the marketing bullshit that Microsoft uses to create their special case, and you've completely bought into it. Source escrow typically guarantees your right to continue to redistribute and advance development a third party product should the producer cease to exist or to terminate support for a particular product. Find that guarantee in the Microsoft Shared Source license. If Microsoft terminated production of CE, people who make products based on it would be screwed. The shared source license is not even close to equivalent to source escrow.

    Second that it's naive to think that any developer list is complete, or that there is even a remote chance of proving it either way. Require it all you want, but in the end you're going to end up with a worthless list of names with no way to know if it's complete, or correct.

  9. Re:Proprietary shitware by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh, one more things.

    Only some of the code from the operating systems your listed is available under the shared source license.

  10. Some Diebold programmers were criminals by JimMarch(equalccw) · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's true that getting a total list of programmers in an open-source system would be impossible.

    But as a practical matter it's impossible to name all of the Windows programmers either. The court wouldn't expect that of Diebold any more than they'd require a total list of Linux programmers from an open-source voting project.

    What Diebold could easily do is name their own programmers.

    Except there's no way in hell they'd want to do that.

    In 2002 Diebold bought Global Election Systems, which became the Diebold Election Systems unit. Global was founded under another name in 1988 by Norton Cooper, Michael K. Graye and Charles Hong Lee...all with damned interesting resumes (footnote 1):

    Norton Cooper - jail for a year mid-1980s for fraud against the Canada government; ordered out of stock pitch schemes and was part of the collapse of the Vancouver stock exchange - ordered by decree not to pitch stock after 1992 or so because he caused havoc every time. Written up by Barron's and Forbes as a "hazard to avoid at the golf course". First convicted of political corruption in 1974 - look up a Canadian case titled "The Queen v. Norton Cooper" 1977 Canadian Supreme Court.

    Charles Hong Lee - stock schemes; Cooper's partner pitching deals. Defrauded Chinese immigrants, $600,000(Can) court-ordered restitution mid-90s. Sold "real estate" which was actually the bail for the third partner below to the tune of about $300,000(can) circa 1995ish.

    Michael K. Graye - nailed for stealing $18mil from three companies in the '88-'89 era, caught in '94, jailed in the US for stock fraud around '94 re: Vinex wines, released around 2000 - 2002(3?) in the US, brought back to Canada, still in jail there. Arrested for tax evasion and money laundering circa '94.

    Those three in turn hired even more "colorful" staff:

    John Elder was a cocaine trafficker, in a WA prison early/mid 1990s...fellow inmate was Jeffrey Dean (see next entry). Handled ballot printing for Global late 1990s. Seems to have been the one to bring Dean into Global.

    Jeffrey Dean was convicted early '90s of 23 counts of computer-aided embezzlement. He was a computer consultant for a large Seattle law firm and defrauded them of about $450,000 in what US courts called a "sophisticated computer-aided scheme". In a statement to Seattle PD, he claimed he needed the money because Canadians were blackmailing him; in that country, he'd gotten into a fistfight and the other guy had died. (Yes, I've seen the police report.) He joined Elder in the Global ballot printing business late '90s, and with Global's introduction was doing computer consulting with the King County WA elections division - they had no idea of his criminal record. By 2000 he was doing programming for Global and by early Oct. of 2000 he was a full employee and lead programmer for the GEMS vote-tally product still in use. By late Oct. 2000 and shipping in time for the November election, GEMS ver.1.17.5 contains the first "double set of books" problem where all votes are recorded twice internally and don't need to match...long story but it apparantly hides some forms of vote fraud. At the time Diebold bought Global in 2002, Dean quit and was immediately hired back as a consultant via management decision made within the division. This appears to be an attempt to keep Dean's criminal past out of Diebold corporate head office's scrutiny.

    At the time Diebold bought Global, Dean owned 10% of Global's stock.

    We don't know how many other lower-level progammers within Global/Diebold have criminal records. It's rather obvious that Diebold sure as hell doesn't want us finding out.

    Footnote 1 - see also "Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering In The 21st Century" by Bev Harris, esp. the "Diebold" section at the end of Chapter 8. Free PDF downloads can be found at: http://blackboxvoting.org/

  11. Re:WTF - here's the criminal records! by JimMarch(equalccw) · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.bbvdocs.org/dean.pdf

    http://www.bbvdocs.org/elder.pdf

    There's their criminal records.

    Mention of both are extensive in the various online databases of Global/Diebold's internal memos between 1998 and early 2003. Go google:

    "Jeffrey dean" diebold ...and you'll get about 350 hits, so this is real well known among people paying attention to this stuff.

    To be fair, at the time Diebold bought Global Dean was moved to consultant status, possibly to avoid the Diebold corporate background check. They damned well know about him NOW of course ever since Bev Harris broke the news.

    Look, Global was based out of Vancouver BC. Bev and others have gone up there to talk to current and former employees...a LOT appeared to be "coked up" or talked about rampant drug abuse up there. If what we're hearing is anywhere close to accurate, Global acted like the set of a John Belushi movie or something.

    Trust me on this: ain't no WAY Diebold will want to publish lists of programmers.

    Notice how Diebold talks about source code escrow as the issue in NC? It's a red herring. Diebold does source code escrow in California no problem.

    The issue is the programmer names. Major-grade doom involved.

  12. Diebold DOES have the WinCE source code! by JimMarch(equalccw) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Little known fact: the source code for WinCE is fully known to the hardware vendors.

    It's unique among Windows versions in that it's not a finished product - each hardware vendor has to finish it for their own weird gear. WinCE was made to run on hardware that is NOT industry standard, everything from PDAs to TV set-top boxes.

    Up through CE 3.0 you could download the entire source code from Microsoft's website. I think once they included the .NET stuff they stopped doing that but I could be wrong.

    At the central vote tally box, the Diebold GEMS central tabulator runs on top of WinNT/2000 series so they can't put THAT source in escrow.

    Fun fact about GEMS: not only was convicted embezzler and admitted murderer Jeffrey Dean in charge of development for at least a couple of years, the program icon is a hoot. It's a fist holding a globe, basically a day-glow-colors version of the corporate logo for Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers movies :).

    We should prowl around Diebold HQ looking for midgets, bald cats and sharks with unusual head prosthetics...

    Jim March
    Black Box Voting (staff)