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The ESRB Gets An 'F'

GamePolitics reports on a failing grade given to the ESRB by the National Institute on Media and the Family. The report card did not look good for the ratings board, which almost immediately fired back at the organization. From that article: "The reality is that publishers understand that retailers largely choose not to stock AO-rated games, and so in the interests of producing marketable games, publishers will oftentimes revise and resubmit a game that was initially assigned an AO by raters in an effort to produce an M-rated game. When this happens, the process starts again from the beginning, and each new version of a game is reviewed independently. The call to issue more AO ratings has little to do with rating accuracy, and more to do with NIMF's real agenda, which is to destroy the commercial viability of games it deems objectionable. Unlike NIMF, ESRB's job is to be a neutral rater, not a censor."

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  1. I "hate" Christians... by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...who spend their time on this garbage. I am a Christian myself. I know the NIMF isn't an openly religiously motivated group, but I see how churches support them.

    [open rant]
    These ratings are no replacement for parenting. Instead of wasting time complaining, work a few more hours a week and donate the money to your church marketing fund.

    Stop trying to make non-Christians become like you by using the force of government or nanny groups. Instead, work within your group of Christians to help keep those kids moral and loved and ethical. Christian kids are the worst because their parents are blind to reality.

    I hate my label as I'd never tell a non-Christian to stop swearing or stop drinking or stop screwing around or stop watching porn. I'd never use government or a nanny group to further a Christian agenda.

    My job as the Bible mandates is to enforce responsibility in my brothers and sisters in Christ, and be a model for non-believers. I can not control a non-believer and using Caesar to do so is wrong.

    Your job as a parent is to be involved 100% in your child's life. If you want a good Christian child, be a good Christian parent. Try to live sin free, and stop forcing your child to be perfect if you are not perfect yourself.

    1. Re:I "hate" Christians... by LordKazan · · Score: 1, Interesting

      1 foolish
      2 even more foolish than 1 - if 1 wasn't foolish then 2 still would be foolish
      3 i agree from a completely secular perspective
      4 foolish
      5 so long as they deserve it
      6 Defense (and i don't mean "preemptive defense") is always justified - especially defense of the weak when you are strong (saving people from genocide?)
      7 you're damn skippy! (ie 100% agree)
      8 Taxation is not theft - go take an economic class - you wouldn't even HAVE a job and money if it wasn't for the fact you pay taxes to maintain police, roads, courts, hospitals, power, gas, water, etc etc etc.
      9 Yup
      10 completely moronic, espeially the anarcho-capitalistic "business regulations are wrong" - please take economics 100 - even ADAM SMITH (you know, father of capitalism) recognized THERE MUST BE RULES otherwise there will be abuse

      3/10 on the "correct statments"-ometer

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    2. Re:I "hate" Christians... by swid27 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You may want to revise your list of religious beliefs; if your Slashdot posts at all indictive of your general outlook at life, you do seem to worship at the altar of Austrian School/anarchocapitalist economics...

    3. Re:I "hate" Christians... by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I serve my family better by following God's mandates.

      Funny, I thought I served my family better by thinking about what is in their best interest before acting -- rather then following the "mandates" of a deity that I can't prove exists.

      Every action can be prepared for. I defended against 2 muggings and 1 carjacking by displaying my weapon. I've never fired a shot in a stressful situation.

      You spew "don't kill - war is never justified" and yet you carry around a firearm for self-defense? Doesn't that strike you as a bit hypocritical?

      Read Rothbard's "What has Government done to our money?" It's $5ish and explains the theft of inflation and taxes.

      So, no taxes. Who pays for the road? Who pays for the police? The fire department? The justice system? And how the hell do you suggest getting rid of inflation? A return to the gold standard?

      If they pollute your land, it is trespass.

      What about if they lower your property values? You think taxes and inflation are stealing but you are in favor of unrestricted zoning? It's not stealing from your wealth if somebody opens his porn shop next door to your house and it kills your property values?

      My church does more with my 10% voluntary tithe and 1 weekly day of service than your government does with your 50% forced tax payment. My church can help the crackhead quit and get a job, government wants them to continue breeding losers so government continues to grow and be needed.

      The government needs people to be dependant but your church doesn't? That is such a bullshit argument! Historically there has been a great many cases of various churches going to extreme lengths to keep people brainwashed and dependant on the Church. It still goes on today -- if my girlfriend and I were to get married we'd either have to promise to raise whatever kids resulted from the marriage as Catholics or she'd have to forgo a Catholic wedding.

      I may not agree with everything that the Government does but don't give me this crap about how much better for society your church and religion is. For every example of honest charity conducted by a religious authority I could point out two others where they used the charity as a front to proselytize.

      Fuck organized religion!

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    4. Re:I "hate" Christians... by Corbu+Mulak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "...if they beleive in a giant-turtle god..."


      See the TURTLE of enormous girth!
      On his shell he holds the earth,
      His thought is slow but always kind;
      He holds us all within his mind.

  2. Mediawise in general by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just gotta say, Mediawise's slogan ain't so bad:

    "There's only one way to really know what video games your kids are playing
    Be MediaWise®.
    Watch what your kids watch. "

    I don't understand... common sense?

    Also, Mediawise's parent organiztion is the one that took extra pains to distance themselves from Jack, for the tactics he uses.

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  3. Interesting by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It says the board of the "National Institute on Media and the Family" is: David Walsh, Ph.D.; Douglas Gentile, Ph.D.; (his wife) Erin Walsh; Nat Bennett; Brad Robideau; (his daughter) Monica Walsh, MA; Sarah Strickland, David McFadden.

    What are the odds?

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  4. Violent games in the right context... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have no problems with replacing all the monsters in Doom 3 with that purple-loving freak named Barney. Pokemons will work just as well. That should changed the M rating into a T rating. :P

  5. Gee, I wonder why it got these grades by porkThreeWays · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ratings Education: C+
    Retailers' Policies: B
    Retailers' Enforcement: D-
    Ratings Accuracy: F
    Arcade Survey: B-
    Industry's 10-year cumulative grade: D+

    To begin, most parents I know don't enforce video game ratings in the same manner they do movie ratings. Most of us grew up with games unrated and turned out fine. The fact that retailers don't heavily enforce the policies goes to show how many people think the game rating system is silly in the first place.

    As for the rating accuracy getting a failing grade, I whole heartedly agree that given the organization handing out these grades is politically motivated, they just want to push violet games out of the market by making as many as possible Adult Only. If this were a real issue, we'd have droves of pissed off parents with 16 year olds they thought were playing a different game. In reality, AO has the stigma of being equivalent to hard core porn. These games aren't the equivalent, and this really is more a political group crying they aren't getting their way. Uh oh, we've got a baby down. I repeat, baby down! Someone call the wah-bulance!!

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  6. Re:Why is it so difficult... by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I worked at Target last year during the holiday season, in the electronics section. We carded every M-rated game we sold, as standard policy. I carded grandmas. (Partly so that they knew the game they were buying was M-rated, in case they were just working off a shopping list given them by some 8 year old...)

    In many places this is policy. Where have you seen that it isn't?

    (Of course, not all of my co-workers would card everyone. They'd let you slide if you looked old enough. But everyone carded anyone who we were in doubt about.)

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  7. Three ways that the government does it by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's only censorship when the government does it.

    When

    1. the municipal government's zoning board denies the right to use land for a video game store that sells AO games,
    2. the government denies the right to advertise that a publisher publishes or that a store sells AO games (as happens widely in Europe), or
    3. the government's patent office denies the right to make a console specifically for AO games,
    then "the government does it". Now what point are you going to make in order to avoid the term "censorship"?
    1. Re:Three ways that the government does it by mebollocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      2. the government denies the right to advertise that a publisher publishes or that a store sells AO games (as happens widely in Europe), or
      Huh, widely happens in europe? Speaking as a european, living in Holland, where not only can I walk down around the corner to streets of legalised prostitution while smoking a joint and go home and watch daytime TV that shocks every USian I've ever met here.
      Where on earth did you get the idea that the 'government' prevents publishers from advertising that they publish in Europe? Or from a store advertising that it sells AO games? Christ I can barely avoid nudity during the day on TV let alone, simple ads for games. Linkage please?!
      Now what point are you going to make in order to avoid reality?

  8. NIMF has a political agenda, ESRB doesn't, mostly by Firethorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't really see anything the original post doesn't cover.

    A more or less neutral rater(ESRB), pretty much the gaming version of the MPAA, gives games ratings. Just like the 'NC-17' or the old X ratings, Movies intending to have a presence on the mass market theaters will work with the board to get a better rating. They'll edit the movie to get down to an R or PG-13. A PG-13 movie has a much wider viewing audience than a R, so there's pressures to make films even milder if it's a marginal R. And, just like the MPAA, there are going to be oddities on how they rate certain marginal films. The rating is being decided upon by a board of humans, on what can be called a piece of art. You can't necessarily make up a metric based on number of deaths, that'd sink movies like the titanic, war movies having battlegrounds. Neither can you measure by 'punches thrown'(what if it's a documentary about a boxer?), amount of curse words, etc. It's all relative.

    NIMF appears to be an organization of fear mongers, trying to control society through the cry of 'it's for the children!'.

    If they want more games to be assigned an 'AO' rating, well, then they should actually work on convincing stores to stock them. Otherwise you'll get a number of 'borderline' games, where, just like in films, they edit and tweak to get the lower rating so they can actually have a physical presence in stores like Best Buy, Walmart, Target. Heck, even places like Gamestop and such don't stock AO games.

    I was allowed to rent and watch R rated movies, with my younger brother, from when I was 12. My parents had to submit a signed letter with the rental place for me to be able to, but they did it. Why? They felt that I was able to handle the difference between fiction and reality. Of course, ratings were tougher back then, to the point that today, people today would scratch their heads and go 'They gave THAT an R?'.

    If NIMF has it's way, it'd end up having to call for legal enforcement of the ratings systems, because adults would be ignoring them even more, like my parents did for the R ratings. Their only restriction was a verbal 'no horror films'. Of course, they usually watched with us.

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  9. It's killographic! by Peldor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As stupid as this NIMF report is, the invention of the word "Killographic" is utterly brilliant. I'd put it right on the front of my box if I was a game designer.

    I'm not just a gamer, I'm a killographer!

  10. How to Prevent Kids from Playing Certain Games by el_gregorio · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Parents, here's a tip for getting your kids to stop playing a game you disapprove of: learn how to beat them at it. Once you can smoke your kid in a deathmatch, chances are he's gonna quit playing that "lame" game of his own free will.

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  11. Re:Why a generic rating by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I disagree. I think that kind of rating should be the purview of private industry. There is plenty of room for a ratings system that would rate things on the basis of their content, for example a "foul" word hit frequency log, number of scenes with [insert behavior here], et cetera. Plus, reviews written by a number of panel interviewers from specifically chosen walks of life, like "fundamentalist christian", "new-age feminist", "atheistic libertarian", et cetera. Each reviewer can have a bio so you can find out if you want their opinion or not. I think that the basic review chart should be sufficient to create the most important ratings, and if you want to know more, there should be a resource available to you that doesn't cost the developer anything.

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  12. Re:Sheesh! by AllahsAvatar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes they did look at games.

    FTFA: To illustrate the degree to which video games have become more violent, more sexual, and more crude we compared six M-rated games representative of those featured in report cards during the late 1990s to six M-rated games from 2004.

    With such a large sample size, I can see how they have conclusive proof that the ESRB is not doing their job.

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  13. Re:There are many Christians like us. by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (Then there's the 99.3% chance that consciousness is just an illusion and there is nothing after we die and the 1.0-1e-37% chance that even if there is a supreme being, he is nothing like anything described in any particular religious canon.)

    Our brains control our perception of time (which is another way of saying that, ultimately, we control our perception of time). How do you know that the "afterlife" isn't the creation of the consciousness that is aware that its support system is shutting down? Would our minds simply stop recording time and infinitly time-stretch a perfectly real dream?