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The Scripts of J. Michael Straczynski, Vol. 1

chromatic writes "It's hard to overestimate the influence that Babylon 5 had on American television, especially science fiction and dramas. When it debuted, it was a smaller, scrappier competitor to Paramount's revitalized Star Trek franchise. When it ended, it had proven that not only could you tell a complex, layered story over multiple years (and through the demise of syndication, yearly struggles with funding, and often frustrating and unexpected troubles with schedules and actors), but that a lean, creator-driven show could succeed artistically." Read on for chromatic's review. The Scripts of J. Michael Straczynski, Vol. 1 author J. Michael Straczynski pages 454 publisher Synthetic Worlds Publishing rating Worth reading for B5 fans and television students. reviewer chromatic ISBN none summary Notes on and scripts to the first half of Babylon 5 season 1.

Through the course of the show, its creator J. Michael Straczynski (JMS) wrote 92 of the 110 episodes filmed, including every episode of seasons three and four and all but one episode of season five-- a record-breaking achievement. Now he's publishing all of his scripts, as written, in multiple volumes from Babylon5Scripts.com.

There are plenty of books about screenwriting and many include a few examples of actual scripts (another book from JMS himself reprints the script to the Hugo-award winning second season episode "The Coming of Shadows"). Yet what other book or series of books even promises to show the development of a series from inspiration to the final frame of the final episode? What's in the book (and the forthcoming volumes) for a Babylon 5 or sci-fan, let alone someone interested in the mechanics of television?

The Scripts of J. Michael Straczynski, volume 1 includes the first five JMS-penned episodes from season one, as well as the unfilmed draft of the pilot movie "The Gathering". Each episode includes a short essay with notable information about the writing, planning, or filming of the episode. There's also a short section of photos at the end, along with seven memos from the start of the project through the filming of the pilot.

Subsequent volumes reportedly will include similar information. The second, including the remaining seven episode JMS wrote for season one, is out and shipping now. The rest will follow every few weeks. Positives

The big draw, of course, is the scripts themselves. In particular, the draft of the pilot episode, "The Gathering", has a few major changes from the filmed version. Delenn, the Minbari ambassador, is still a masculine character in this draft. Kosh, the Vorlon ambassador and victim of an assassination plot, has a lifemate travelling with him on the station. For the most part, the changes made before filming are obviously for the better. (Though cutting Kosh's lifemate was the right choice, losing a line of dialogue about one reason for the Vorlons's obvious paranoia about their biology was a pity.)

The scripts appear as written, including typos and, occasionally, vague hints to what will occur later in the series. For example, the first appearance of a First Ones ship (the Walkers at Sigma 957 in the episode "Mind War") has an explicit note that the as-yet unmentioned "Shadowmen" ship will look very different. Another suggestion during the scene of the battle with raiders recommends using real-world physics for the Starfury crafts to differentiate from other dogfights-in-space shows.

If you're interested in scriptwriting, directing, acting, or editing, comparing the script to the finished product may be very educational. Straczynski writes sparse action, leaving most of the interpretation out of the script. Of course, the episodes so far are mostly character and background pieces with comparatively few action or effects scenes needing guidance. It may be that larger battles and flashbacks have more description; it's too early to tell.

The new material is interesting, and in a few places tells stories that never actually left the set. One explains why the change of station telepath from Lyta Alexander to Talia Winters took place between the pilot and the first episode. Another expands on the trials of pitching a show to television executives, especially during the first few attempts of the late '80s. None of this is essential to enjoying the show, but it does provide background for why things in the series happened the way they did. Drawbacks

Other scripts contain scenes that never actually aired. It's not always obvious whether this was due to time constraints, edits, or other decisions. Aside from a few mentions in the episode introductions, there are no notes in the scripts themselves related to what did and didn't make it to the screen. This may not be a drawback; they're much more readable this way and serious students may want to watch and read the episodes simultaneously anyway.

Though the scripts represent the bulk of the show and the introductions and memos provide some detail, there are plenty of decisions made during filming that don't actually have explanations in the book where you might expect them. Walter Koenig's character of Bester, the Psi-Cop, has a crippled hand, yet the book doesn't mention this at all. It's difficult to know how much detail to include -- and the permissions and availability of the material may make it difficult to include (production notes? director notes?) -- but this is by no means the whole story. Keep the Lurker's Guide handy for more details.

The book itself is solid but not remarkable. The script formatting reproduces faithfully an actual shooting script in length and layout. The print quality is good.

Very picky readers may quibble about the length and weight of the book -- most of the non-script material uses whitespace a little too generously, with large top and bottom margins and more than double-spaced type allowing only around twenty lines of text on a letter-sized page. Hopefully subsequent volumes will tighten the layout somewhat. Conclusion

While it's always possible to find bootleg or transcribed scripts online or at conventions, often at vastly inflated prices, the chance to read the official versions as filmed is worth considering for serious students of film or television as well as Babylon 5 fans. The bonus materials are nice, but they're probably more interesting to fans than students; more information about the process of how a script went from the paper to film might satisfy both groups.

The quibbles are minor; if you're already a Babylon 5 fan, you know what to expect here. If you're not a fan or a screenplay geek, this isn't the place to start -- but if you find the creative processes behind television or movies fascinating, this is an easy way to soak up wisdom and hard-earned experience. It's well worth your time to compare a few episodes in script and filmed form.

chromatic's life goals include writing a novel (done), a comic book, and an episode of a television series. Then he can sleep. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

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  1. Huh? by flyinwhitey · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It's hard to overestimate the influence that Babylon 5 had on American television, especially science fiction and dramas."

    No it's not, you just did it with that sentence.

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    1. Re:Huh? by Kelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hey, if nothing else, they were able to convince networks to pick up a non-Star Trek sci-fi show. That was one of their biggest obstacles to getting on the air: networks thought there was only room for one space-based science fiction show on the air at a time, and that was Star Trek.

    2. Re:Huh? by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I remember vividly that the networks premiered several other non-Trek sci-fi shows around the same time. It's just the rest of them were flops, while B5 was a (very) modest success.

      SeaQuest DSV: 1993
      Adventures of Brisco County Junior: 1993
      Time Trax: 1993
      Earth 2: 1994
      Sliders: 1995
      Space - Above and Beyond: 1995 ... the list goes on.

      Oh... and then there was this other little sci-fi show which came out a year before B5 which did pretty well. It was about two FBI agents investigating aliens. Maybe you've heard of it.

      In terms of getting sci-fi accepted on TV, I would say that "Quantum Leap", "Alien Nation", and "V", all shows from the 80s, were vastly more important than B5.

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    3. Re:Huh? by Kelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, did you miss the "space-based" part of "space-based sci-fi?"

      And B5 first aired in January 1993 (the network chickened out and aired the pilot as a stand-alone movie, so the series launched the following year), so I'm not sure what you're trying to say with Earth 2 or Space: Above and Beyond.

      As for the big sci-fi launch of '93, all I can remember is B5, DS9 and Space Rangers. JMS had been shopping B5 around for about 5 years, much longer than DS9 had been in development, and I seriously doubt anyone spent much time on Space Rangers.

    4. Re:Huh? by theStorminMormon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Space: Above and Beyond was my favorite show of all time until Firefly.

      I miss that show.

      B5 had just a little too much "Hercules" or "Xena"-style cheese for me (Andromeda, anyone?), although in general it was much, much better.

      The fact is that sci-fi is a genre: and that means you're always going to have people who try to capitalize on the built-in audience rather than try to tell good stories. Same thing happens with mysteries and fantasies. Yet for some reason, sci-fi fans seem desperate enough to lap up the most artistically-flawed crap imaginable. They'll just ignore plot holes, utterly ridiculous dialoge, internal inconsistencies, and see-through, 2-d characters as long as we have:

      1. space ships
      2. lasers
      3. at least one moderately-hot chick per

      (you get extra points for having strange facial prosthetics with one sub-crowd and the other sub-crowd likes superficial political commentary)

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    5. Re:Huh? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      B5 had a grubby feel to it when compared to ST TNG and weird character appearances for anything that wwas not human. Like they were trying to look strange. I never got pulled in to it.

      That's a bit unfair. Considering the budget that JMS was working with and the fact that CGI was still pretty new back then I'd say he did pretty damn well. As much as I love TNG, they had about a million dollar per episode budget if I recall correctly.

      Of course, I'd make the argument that all the dependence on CGI actually has taken something away from Star Trek. Watch the TNG reruns on Spike TV. The Enterprise-D had graceful lines. It almost seemed magical to watch it move through space. They did all that with two shooting models -- a four and six foot if I recall correctly. The level of detail that they put into the sets and layout of the ship is still amazing to this day. I'd wager that we know more about the Galaxy Class Starship then any other fictional vehicle before or since.

      Fast forward to DS9 or the Enterprise finale with the CGI images of Galaxy Class Starships. The CGI model of the Enterprise-D in ENT comes to mind. They just seem very fake to me. The magic is gone. The Enterprise-D represented a vehicle that could take us anywhere our imagination wanted to go. I started to lose faith in the Star Trek franchise when Paramount decided to destroy it for the sake of eye candy in Generations :(

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    6. Re:Huh? by Golias · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Somebody should start a network that does no other programming than picking up and continuing the shows that FOX kills too soon with the same cast & writers. Just think what their line-up would be like.

      Arrested Development
      Tru Calling
      Firefly
      The TICK (both animated and live-action)
      Greg The Bunny
      Action
      Wonderfalls
      Titus
      Andy Richter Controls the Universe

      There's three evenings worth of perpetual TiVo subscriptions right there, and I know I'm forgetting a bunch more.

      I fear for "House." It's the best show on TV right now, and it's on FOX, so it doesn't really stand a chance.

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  2. Fifth Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The first 3 posts were sabotaged, and the fourth disappeared.

    1. Re:Fifth Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "But the fifth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest post in all of Slashdot."

    2. Re:Fifth Post! by jafac · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't knock it fella, that's our last best hope. . .

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  3. Well... by GmAz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I tried so hard to get into that show, but just couldn't. I saw it as corny just too out there. I do like Star Trek, but am not a devouted trekkie thinks everything else sucks, but that is just my opinion.

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    1. Re:Well... by julesh · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't say as I blame you, actually. Despite the fact that I think B5 was some of the best TV ever produced.

      The problem is, most of the episodes in series 1 sucked badly in many ways. And watching the rest without season 1 is difficult, because it relies heavily on backplot that you pick up in the early stages of the show to have a clue what's going on.

      I don't have a solution. Perhaps just try to ignore the low budget, bad acting and clunky scripts. And skip the worst episodes (TKO stands out, in my opinion, but there are other bad ones). Look at the listing on the lurker's guide (linked in the article above) and watch the ones that are described as important arc episodes, but skip anything else you think is corny. I promise you, by half way through season 2 you'll be hooked.

  4. come on... by mangus_angus · · Score: 3, Funny

    When you have Will Robinson in your show you know it's going to be a hit!

  5. Well, no wonder! by daeley · · Score: 3, Funny

    including all of seasons four and five and all but one of season five -- a record-breaking achievement.

    I can see why no one had ever been able to do that before! ;)

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    1. Re:Well, no wonder! by Kelson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It darn near killed him, too. I'd seen him at various conventions during Babylon 5's run, and it was clear the stress was getting to him. I saw him again at this year's San Diego Comic Con -- 5 years after the show ended -- and he looked 10 years younger.

    2. Re:Well, no wonder! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Time stabilizer damaged. JMS unstuck in time. Zathras warned, but no one listen to Zathras, no.

    3. Re:Well, no wonder! by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Informative

      I noticed that too. The poster meant "all of seasons three and four and all but one episode of season five." And also failed to note that he only stepped aside in season five for Neil Gaiman.

    4. Re:Well, no wonder! by chromatic · · Score: 2, Informative
      No one previously had managed to write as many scripts for Babylon 5.

      No one previously had managed to write every script for a full season of any American television show. As I understand it, that's a record -- especially because he wrote the scripts for over 50 episodes in a row.

      You may not care, but I think that's quite an achievement.

  6. B5 by tenchiken · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's easy to forget in the world of Firefly, Stargate, Farscape, etc just how hard it was to get any real sci-fi series that were not named Trek on the air prior to B5. Babylon 5 struggled it's entire existance with ratings, but the fact that someone actually aired a 5 season arc without having to dumb it down, and change it radically to accomidate the Least Common Denominator is impressive.

    My dream is that some day we will get JMS and Joss Whedon to sit down and do a sci-fi series together. With JMS's strengh in plotlines and story development and Joss's characters it would be one of the best series ever. Certainly better then the upcoming SW:TV series. Han with wookies indeed.

    1. Re:B5 by dmleach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree completely about a Joss x JMS collaboration. Their strengths and weaknesses tend to complement each other. JMS has an amazing gift for story but his dialog tends to be clunky. Whedon, on the other hand, writes incredible dialog but his stories can be flaky (of course, who knows how "Firefly" might have turned out).

    2. Re:B5 by Sketch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > JMS has an amazing gift for story but his dialog tends to be clunky.

      I once read that JMS's characters don't have conversations, they make soliloquies at each other.

      I love B5, but I can't help but think about that when watching it anymore...

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  7. Syndication was poor by saskboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "(and through the demise of syndication, "

    I had wondered as a kid why CTV suddenly stopped showing Bab 5. It used to be on right before Star Trek TNG on my CKCK TV station, then poof it was gone, or moved to Saturday afternoon. Then it was on here and there, and I realized they were trying to kill it off. There were times when I felt I couldn't go on, not knowing what was going to happen next on Bab 5, but I sadly got over my addiction and ended up not watching most of the last two seasons since they weren't readily available to me. One of these days I'll have to get ahold of the DVDs and watch the series in its entirety...

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    1. Re:Syndication was poor by Jardine · · Score: 2, Informative

      I had wondered as a kid why CTV suddenly stopped showing Bab 5. It used to be on right before Star Trek TNG on my CKCK TV station, then poof it was gone, or moved to Saturday afternoon.

      For quite a while, the regular time slot for my local station had it at 5pm on Saturdays. One week I turned on the TV and tuned to the same station to watch it and this show I'd never seen was on. They had replaced Babylon 5 with Homeboys in Outer Space.

  8. So ... this is about Hill Street Blues? by podperson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When it ended, it had proven that not only could you tell a complex, layered story over multiple years (and through the demise of syndication, yearly struggles with funding, and often frustrating and unexpected troubles with schedules and actors), but that a lean, creator-driven show could succeed artistically." Read on for chromatic's review.

    It seems to me that Babylon 5 was an attempt to produce something a little like Hill Street Blues in space. It wasn't as well written, acted, or ... good as HSB. By the time Babylon 5 appeared, there were numerous TV shows imitating HSB's layered stories, mixture of short and arc plots, ensemble casts, etc. -- including thirtysomething, St. Elsewhere, and so forth. Almost all of these shows were better than Babylon 5, they just weren't science fiction.

    1. Re:So ... this is about Hill Street Blues? by ajs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, by the same token, Hill Street Blues was a non-SF Blake's 7... and of course there were other ongoing stories before that... BUT, for the most part they weren't multi-season arcs that were designed as a single story. That was a first, and so far, there are very, very few other examples of that style of storytelling. Firefly was designed around a loose arc, but was cancelled. Nothing else I can think of has used that model in the U.S.

      HSB was a great show, and yes, everything that came after it drew from that greatness, or was the worse for not having learned its lessons. I don't think that changes the impact that B5 had, though.

      It was a splash of cold water to the networks. They were SURE that the SF&F markets had no interest in stories. They wanted phasers and green babes as far as they could tell. When the B5 audiences swelled, the big question was: why? When it started to win awards, there was a sort of cautious optimism. When it went a full 5 seasons, and swithched to a real network, "non-episodic" became a hollywood buzzword, and "B5-like" was a phrase applied by the marketing teams behind quite a few shows that you heard about and would never think had any connection.

      Granted, there was no real, general understanding of what they had on their hands. The sequel series (Crusade) was horribly broken from day one as a result of a torrent of "notes" from TNT that destroyed any sense of what the original concept was. The suits also misunderstood the nature of the structure. They thought that X-Files and B5 had the same structure, and any attempt to explain the book-like structure of B5 was met with blank stares (I'm generalizing, this was not a universal failure, of course, just the norm). Still, there was a real change in the way Hollywood made TV, and every SF show and MANY of the non-SF shows to air since have had B5 to thank for that change. Buffy, The West Wing, Farscape, Firefly, and many other shows would likely not have been possible without B5s influence on the BUSINESS as well as on the writers, costume designers, make-up, special effects (call it cheesy now, but NO ONE thought you could do computer-generated effects for a series on-budget before B5 came out, doing it initially on Amigas).

      B5 changed so much that, in retrospect, it's almost impossible to understand. You just can't bring yourself to accept that one show pushed the envelope in so many areas. JMS is an obsessive, territorial, hard-ass who many people in the industry have come to dislike, but credit where credit is due: his show was a turning point.

  9. Re:J. Michael Straczynski by Kelson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds like you want this fan site.

    Mainly he's writing comic books -- Amazing Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and an original project with Colleen Doran called The Book of Lost Souls. (I haven't read his Marvel Universe books, and Lost Souls is too early to tell.)

    There's also a couple of potential TV series coming up next year, but the TV industry is volatile enough you never know until the last contract is signed whether you've actually got a deal. JMS has a habit of not letting too much slip until the deal is finalized, which is probably a good business practice.

  10. B5 was fun, but.. by penguin-collective · · Score: 2, Interesting

    B5 was fun and entertaining, but I wouldn't hold it up as an example of great writing. I think in the end, the show was just taking itself too seriously, and I could never quite shake the suspicion that JMS seriously believed that he was conveying some profound philosophical message with B5.

    1. Re:B5 was fun, but.. by ab762 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I always thought that the hidden message of B5 was remedial 20th Century history for the Slashdot generation (and others who weren't listening.) People who thought 1984 was out-of-date, and didn't twig to "Ministry of Truth". People who never heard of the Reichstag Fire or the Beerhall Putsch.

      Ignore the spaceships and the funky haircuts on the aliens. Who is G'Kar? Who's asking you "What do you want?" in that seductive tone of voice. Who's being held in who's cellars, out of sight and out of mind? And remember, B5 had come and gone before any of us heard of Abu Ghraib!

  11. Re:All or all but one? by Kelson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just a typo. He wrote all of seasons three and four, and all but one episode of season five.

    So with one exception (Season 5's "Day of the Dead," written by Sandman writer Neil Gaiman) he wrote three entire seasons in a row -- plus more than half of the first two seasons' scripts.

  12. Re:A Bit Late Maybe...? by gilroy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Blockquoth the poster:

    It seems a bit after the fact to be reviewing a show that everyone who ever had an interest in it probably already knows as well as the reviewer.

    Indeed. That's probably why the reviewer didn't review the show. He/she reviewed a book about the show.
  13. Re:J. Michael Straczynski by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He was going to try to get Paramount to accept his ideas for a new Star Trek show (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, anyone but Beavis & Butthead), but he heard from his contacts that Paramount wanted the show to sit for a while. As a result, he took an offer to run the television show Jeremiah.

    He's had an interesting career in SciFi, and got his start in the little known show, "Captain Power and the Soliders of the Future!" Sadly, the show went off the air just as people were starting to get into it. Stupid networks. :-(

  14. Re:The creative processes behind television or mov by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Back in that time, those effects were not bad.
    Believe me.
    You might not remember it, but back then, when the enterprise of STNT had only canned model shots and only moved left/right, the quality downsides of the rendering was vastly offset by the increase of in creative possibilities.

    And you know that Star Treck had about 4-5 times as much money per episode?

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  15. Re:The creative processes behind television or mov by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those Video Toasters were state of the art back then if you wanted to do it in house, on time, and within budget.

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  16. B5 guide, quotes and game by Lord+Satri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting. B5 changed my life at the time. It helped me see things differently. Even it this is the past and I'm focusing on other issues now, B5 will always have place in my heart.

    Some great links:
    Babylon 5 Lurker's Guide
    http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html
    B5 quotes I gathered (and published in an open book):
    http://www.alexandre.leroux.net/quotes/quotes_e.ht ml#b5-anchor
    Free B5 great game:
    http://ifh.firstones.com/

    Cheers :-)

  17. Re:J. Michael Straczynski by Kelson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, Jeremiah predated his Trek pitch by a couple of years. He basically went straight from B5 to Crusade to Jeremiah, then dropped out of TV for a while. (Well, dropped out of TV that's aired. He's had several deals that fell through before ging into production, like Global Frequency.)

    The Trek pitch was, IIRC, either 2004 or 2005 -- after it was clear that Enterprise was foundering.

  18. Give it up, man... by Trolling4Columbine · · Score: 2, Funny

    "It's hard to overestimate the influence that Babylon 5 had on American television" Sorry pal, it ain't going to be THAT easy for you to validate those hundreds of hours you wasted watching TELEVISION.

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  19. You can't save them all! I can try. by Leontes · · Score: 2, Informative

    Midseason three and season four are when it really gets to be excellent, like biting the nails, I, Claudius, excellent.
    Payoff for all the previous crud you had to shift through. Keep the netflix faith. It's worth it.

    Season 5? You can pretty much skip it entirely.

    1. Re:You can't save them all! I can try. by GJSchaller · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those not familiar with the series, or the antics behind it, JMS was told that Season 4 *might* be the last one - so he wrapped up the plotline he had in mind by the end of it. He then got confirmation that Season 5 would happen, and had to fill in all the space he just freed up by moving it into Season 4.

      The end result is that the latter part of Season 4 feels rushed, and all of Season 5 feels like it was filler, mostly because it was - not due to poor planning on the author's part, but due to constraints placed on him from outside sources.

  20. One of B5s major pluses: lack of cliches! by hellfire · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of the biggest things I loved about B5 was that this is the first Sci fi show I could remember in a long time that copious amounts of sarcasm, quips, snide insults, clever philosophy, and unique circumstances. JMS tried to do something new, and that's what sci fi fans want. Your hard core sci fi fan doesn't want what they saw before and they want something edgy with good dialog, good plot, and a healthy dose of snark. Before B5, the snide sarcasm was something left for the last 3 minutes of a Star Trek episode.

    Have you noticed just how much snark made it's way into original sci fi series these days? B5 started it. SG1 made it a sci-fi standard. Joss with buffy/firefly turned it into a fine art worthy of hanging in the l'ouvre, if one could hang such things. Even Andromeda, which is an okay sci fi series, still has loads of snark. Snark and sarcasm are the highest forms of humor (I feel) and require intelligence and attention span to get. US TV executives of major networks shoot for the lowest common denominator and these are not traits most Americans have.

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  21. Who really poisoned Kosh? by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I still want to know who was really behind the poison attack on Kosh in The Gathering, but I guess it's a bit late to learn more about Vorlon internal politics, although the comment about "losing a line of dialogue about one reason for the Vorlons's obvious paranoia about their biology" perks my interest.

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    1. Re:Who really poisoned Kosh? by xVladx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apparently it was intended to be Laurel Takashima (the second-in-command during the Pilot). She was supposed to stick around on the show for a while, shoot Garabaldi in the back during Chrysalis, then be revealed as the person with the sleeper personality (instead of Talia) later on.

      For reference, here's the explanation from JMS on the Lurker's Guide:

      "Think hard about the pilot for a moment. Whose job is it in the observation dome to monitor incoming ships...but apparently let the spider transport slip through unnoticed? The station's skin should have (and likely did) detect something clamping onto it...but apparently someone over-rode that for the spider transport. Someone had to PRE-arrange access via the computer for the assassin, since it easily palms its way into Varner's quarters. (And what is the name of the person the access computer recognizes?) Someone had to arrange for the transport tube to be delayed, and then *erase* that information from the computer system. Someone who knew *exactly* when the Vorlon ship would be docking. We see, at various times, the following people interacting with the assassin, in different capacities: Garibaldi, Lyta, G'Kar, Londo, Dr. Kyle, and of course, much later, Sinclair. Who did we never see in direct contact with the assassin? Who was put in charge of the station after Sinclair was removed?

      Do you notice a pattern developing? Do certain things here point to a certain individual...who may, or may not, have been acting on her own volition?

      And yes, this is something we planned to explore, though it wasn't on a *direct* line to the arc of our story. It definitely impinged upon it, of course. This has been modified due to the change in the character of the Lieutenant Commander, and this now won't go where it was going to go...but we still have some very interesting plans for our secondary character, not at all along the Takashima lines (which is why this isn't a spoiler), but certainly intriguing on their own terms. "

    2. Re:Who really poisoned Kosh? by Kelson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not sure it's ever been explicitly stated, but here's one way to connect the dots:

      The assassin was a member of the Minbari Wind Swords clan. The Wind Swords sheltered Deathwalker, the worst war criminal among the Dilgar. The Dilgar have been implied to have been allies of the Shadows. At least some Shadow allies are known to have been active since the Earth-Minbari War or earlier. This suggests that the Wind Swords clan is either allied with the Shadows or has been infiltrated by Shadow agents.

      It's entirely likely that the Shadows, or their agents, recognized Babylon 5's significance -- as they recognized Babylon 4 -- and wanted to destabilize it before it beame a threat. What better way than to strike at a likely pivotal figure (Sinclair) by killing a Vorlon and sparking a potential conflict with the Vorlons themselves?

  22. Firefly versus Farscape by GlenRaphael · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Firefly == suck
    [...]
    Farscape == As far from suck as one can get. Nothing short of a masterpiece from beginning to end.
    That's odd; I had the exact opposite impressions. Based on the DVDs I thought Firefly was the best TV show I'd ever seen in my life (though it lagged a little towards the end), and Farscape was so bad I couldn't stand to watch more than the first DVD. Farscape reminded me of those cheesy seventies kiddie shows like "Jason of Star Command". Really dumb plots, reasonably dumb one-note characters, cheap-looking Dr. Who-caliber sets. Does it get better later on? How many bad Farscape episodes does one have to slog through to get to the good ones?
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  23. Re:J. Michael Straczynski by Kelson · · Score: 2, Informative

    What wrench? JMS has gone on record saying:

    Since it's no longer an issue, because the show was not picked up, the series I'd mentioned that had come to me to talk about coming aboard as an EP was Warren Ellis' Global Frequency. I'd met with the people involved, been approved by the network, went by to meet Warren during filming in Vancouver, who seemed like a very nice sort, and was waiting for the next round of serious conversations...but the show has not been picked up by WB.

    He wasn't involved with the pilot, but he would almsot certainly have been involved in the series.

  24. This post is not "5 miles long..." by Nitewing98 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have seen at least one post here decrying someone's enthusiasm as mistaking their personal opinion for fact. So I won't make broad statements about how B5 changed TV, or Sci-fi, or even the room temperature. That being said, I will say that B5 affected me stongly. It was not just a question of the characters or story lines, but the underlying philosophy. Example, when Sheridan is at Zaha Dum and is being interrogated by (assumably) Lorien. When he's asked if he has anything to live for, he suddenly remembers Delenn, and that turns the tide of things. There are other examples, but that's the most obvious. There was an underlying hope and gentleness to the series that I really enjoyed. nw '98

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  25. Re:The creative processes behind television or mov by blincoln · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, who thinks "Special Effects? Lets get some old Amiga computers and use this 'Video Toaster' software. That works great!."

    I think you're forgetting the general quality of computer graphics in 1993. The Video Toaster was still the best reasonably-affordable system back then.

    B5 looks a bit dated now, but so does any CG- or model-based sci-fi from the early 90s.

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  26. Are you kidding? by bill_kress · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nearly every show now has a multi-season arc. These were inexistent when B5 was created (aside from the occasional and rare cliffhanger). Joss picked it up for Buffy, Angel and Firefly. The last few seasons of the X files started to concentrate more on scripting ahead. DS9 and Enterprise started making use of larger arcs (although still lacked any sense of long-term continuity), and it enabled the multi-season dramas like Lost. It heavily affected/enabled nearly all the following sci-fi series like Stargate, farscape and Battlestar Galactica.

    The thing nobody has been able to match is to have an END. This sounds stupid, but it implies closure and a pre-written script that arcs over multiple seasons. It allows you to set up character attributes in season one that they will not make use of until season 4, and when done right it makes for a fantastic viewing experience.

    Pre-scripting the story arc also allows for a continuity that would stop you from making a mish-mash of abandon technology and general stupidity like you always get in the Star Trek universe.

    And I'm STILL understating it.

    1. Re:Are you kidding? by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing nobody has been able to match is to have an END. This sounds stupid, but it implies closure and a pre-written script that arcs over multiple seasons. It allows you to set up character attributes in season one that they will not make use of until season 4, and when done right it makes for a fantastic viewing experience.

      More importantly still, it allowed his characters to develop like real people, ie. permanently. What Hollywood still doesn't really get is that this adds verisimilitude that you can't SIMULATE. People change, and change in permanent ways. With a finite arc (in X years, we are DONE), you can kill characters, change them radically, do whatever, and (here's the key) they don't return to their original "character concept" by the end of 45 minutes or a couple of episodes. Really, as a viewer you never know when you're going to be handed a major character change...which is neat.

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    2. Re:Are you kidding? by Kelson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've been re-watching B5 with friends who haven't seen it before, and it's been interesting watching their reactions to, say, G'kar over time. The intertwining destinies of Londo and G'kar form one of the best arcs in the show.

  27. Re:Gimme a break.. by Sassinak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, so you have claimed quite a few were bad. And you site Battlestar Galactica as a good example (which quite frankly makes you very suspect in my book). Any others that you feel deserve merit?

    As a person who has seen all of them, am something of a sci-fi fan, not for its sci-fi nature, but a good story is a good story (backdrop is not REQUIRED). B5 was indeed a good story. Please half the people in the NYT review section claim that the every video and movie clip longer than 5 seconds is the greatest thing since sliced bread (no George Carlin replies please). I am not going to say it was perfect, because NOTHING ever is.. If it finds a strong following in one camp, it will not in another. One has to remember that Sci-Fi has ALWAYS been viewed as a niche market (stereotypical demographic is: male 12 - 35, unmarried, and loaner).. Time is proving that to be wrong, but you can't fight what they want to believe. Becuase of which, anything that does not pull numbers like crazy and has an immediate following is snuffed.

    A good story takes time to tell, but a good story that takes time to tell doesn't sell ad bucks the way they want.. And lest we forget, THAT is why stations put stuff (good and bad) on the air.. to sell AD space. If they don't feel they will get the market demographic they want in front of the tube at that time, they will move it, or cancel it, to find some other palp that will bring in the dollars.. (Big Guns (above and below the waist line), humour so bad and transparent that my blind dog gets it, and a plot line so thin that it takes 2 minutes to wrap it up, the rest being just filler).

    Think of most of the sucessful shows on TV (and the even smaller set of sci-fi).. Very few have a story arch that spans more than 3 episodes, why because most people can/will not follow something that requires some knowledge of the previous. People don't want fantasy rooted in reality, they want fantasy with no basis, so they can shut off the brain.

    Its a bit of a rant, but come on, lets understand what we are dealing with, a system that is not driven by quality, but by quantity (of dollars, ad space, etc..).

    And before I hear the words Nelson Ratings come out of the woodworks, understand, the nelson households try to find what they believe to be a "typical" household demographic that in theory represents the nation as a whole. Does anyone here feel a show like "Jerry Springer" or "Sisters" or "2 guys and a Kid" represent them?..

    Just my 3.5 cents

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  28. Bester's crippled hand... by Pancho+Pistolas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know if you'd know this, but I do remember hearing it from Walter Koenig himself at a Con... Bester wasn't _scripted_ to be played with a crippled hand, but Koenig came up with the idea and suggested it (it was an unspoken thing and didn't in any way change the earlier scripts as they were originally written). JMS decided to allow it.

    It wasn't something JMS came up with or had originally penned, hence I could see how it wouldn't have a place
    in his original notes for season one.

    I have mixed feelings about how it adds or doesn't add to the character, thought it certainly makes Bester _seem_ a little more three-dimensional or "realistic"...

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  29. Re:Am I the only one by mink · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you tried Encounter, the new KOSH shell?

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  30. Re:Nope, you're wrong too, nothing new by bill_kress · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The difference is that B5 was scripted as a multi-season arc before hand. Soaps have had multi-season stories for ever, but they were not scripted before hand, leading to inconsistencies, poor storyline progressions and horrible emergency arc terminations (or they just never get closed like half the crap on X-files).

    Also, the concept of an "Arc" implies pre-written and thought-out scripts. Saying that a soap has an arc is kind of an insult.

  31. Prescient? by Mindbridge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am curious, do people feel that B5 predicted the current political events quite well? Some of the quotes and behavior of the NightWatch, the use of external threats (often exaggerated) to cause and then justify actions that people would not stand for otherwise, the arguments used to rationalize a grab for power, etc.

    Once a viewer said that such features of a dictatorship could never occur in an established democracy. JMS responded that they are bound to happen as long as people think they cannot happen (paraphrased). I fear he was right.

  32. Re:Nope, you're wrong too, nothing new by Kelson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not the same thing at all. B5 was designed as a 5-year story with a beginning, middle, and end. It was designed to end after 5 years, which is why instead of a sixth season, they did a couple of stand-alone TV movies and a spinoff.

    Details changed, things got moved around, the first half of season 5 was mainly filler because those stoies got moved up to the end of season 4 -- but it was about the journey from point A in the first episode to point B in the last, and all the points along the way.

    The soap opera model is designed to keep going indefinitely. You're not working toward an ultimate destination, you're working from what you have in place to see where you can go next. Even if you have things in mind to resolve one long-term story, you always have another one to launch to keep things going.

    JMS has always likened B5 to writing a serialized novel for television. The soap opera model is more like standard super-hero comic books*. You might have a complicated, multi-year X-Men story, but you don't expect it to tell the entire story of the X-Men wrap it up with an epilogue and end the series when you're done.

    * I'm not saying this to disparage soap operas or comics, and I'm well aware of comics like Preacher or Sandman that use the other storytelling model.

  33. Re:Nope, you're wrong too, nothing new by Kelson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wait, you're telling me that Dallas, Falcom Crest, and Dynasty were launched with 10-year story arcs already sketched out?

    And I'll admit I may be misremembering, but isn't a telenovela generally either intended to run for one season, or at least designed one season at a time (like Buffy)?