"The Ad Hominem argument. The last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt."
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA. Oh the delicious irony. I bet you don't even realize why that statement makes you look stupid.
"Usually a sure sign someone's lost a debate."
No, a sure sign someone has lost the debate is when they resort to pointing out logical fallacies in order to avoid answering. Like you did there. It's even better when they use that very same logical fallcy in the next fucking sentence. Like you did there.
It proves that in response to a "grossly misleading" article, an individual went out of is way to set up a test that supposedly proves he is correct, and the article is not.
Of course, the fact that the article WAS correct isn't addressed at all, but instead it is discounted for being "grossly misleading".
I read the original article. I understood what the situation was, and how the outcome occurred. I was not misled.
What this proves is that regardless of what you say about Macs, if it's bad, you'll get shouted down. It also proves that despite the fact that he is behaving like a fanboy, calling him one will also get you shouted down.
It's incredibly sad that the response to a security problem was to sweep it under the rug. What's the point of having a contest when you've already made up your mind about the outcome?
Also still there. I'm sure you'll spout off about examples that you think prove me wrong, but that will be your ignorance of what the law actually allows as in the next example...
"restriction in free movement (no-fly list et.al.)"
Lie. Movement isn't restricted, using a SPECIFIC FORM OF PRIVATE TRASPORTATION is restricted. You're free to walk/run/drive/charter a private fucking airplane/helicopter etc. It's factually incorrect, intentionally inflammatory comments like yours that have ruined this forum.
"spying on US citizens without cause and without judical oversight."
Another lie. The provisions for this were
A) present before the PATRIOT act and B) don't allow what you've erroneously claimed they do
Why are you in such a blind rush to make up lies about the PATRIOT act/ United States?
I just don't understand why seemingly intelligent people turn into babbling idiots when discussing this subject. Care to explain why you did?
"They believed they were being called in to fight just a regular fire."
At a nuclear power plant. With a humongous, gaping hole in it.
They knew. They may not have been told, but they knew.
And here's the REAL question you need to ask yourself, would it have mattered if they had been told? I doubt very seriously that firefighters would refuse to do their job regardless of the circumstances.
"Just to point out, that if you are against stem cell research, you must be against Invetro Fertilization because the cell are harvested from the discarded matrial of Invetro."
Just to point out, this statement isn't logically consistent in any way. In fact, it is completely backward logically, and makes no sense.
"I wouldn't mark your post as troll or flamebait, just ignorant."
Stones, glass houses, can't put together a coherent argumment but is snotty enough to call others ignorant...
No, I'd call your post a troll. Don't worry though, it's also ignorant.
"You'd be just as up in arms as I would if someone you knew died because the doctor unknowingly walked into an area where someone had decided they didn't like people taking cell phone calls."
Sure I'd be pissed. I'd wonder why someone who is on call didn;t have the foresight to make sure he could recieve communications. Would I be pissed about the building blocking his communications?
NO. IT'S THEIR BUILDING, THEIR BUSINESS, AND THEIR RESOURCES. NONE of what you've said changes ANYTHING about my point. It's the doctor's responsiblity to be available, and ONLY his. Failure to answer his call is HIS failure, and attempting to make it seem otherwise is just dumb.
Also, save the "my mom is a teacher" crap. NO PHONES in classrooms is the rule for most schools, and even if it's not, I'm certain you remeber the intercoms from your school days. Your mom doesn't need her phone in her class, and if she and you both claim otherwise, you're liars.
ANd to the point of the field trip, they have to let the school know exactly where they'll be. Admittedly, in a crowded venue tracking her down would take a few minutes, but this statement
"there is no other way of getting ahold of her (i.e. you can't just call the school and have them give her a message"
is an even worse lie. The school will know where she's at, and if they don't, it's because she's not following procedure. More importantly, SHE COULD TELL THEM.
You're reaching for justification, but it's not there. Just let it go.
"If you gave it any thought you would realize that just based on stupid things such as stickers on hair dryers that say to not use around a bath."
I understand perfectly your desire to post AC after making amoronic comment like this.
If you can't tell the difference between the hair dryer situation and this situation, then you'd be better off removing the sticker from the hair dryer and using it incorrectly.
Now, why you post at all is a mystery, seeing as how you openly admit no once gives a shit about your opinion. How so?
"Anonymous Coward"
That's how. How does it feel to be so worthless that EVEN IF you said something useful (which has about as much chance of happening as you getting some ass) that NO ONE would care?
Yeah, if I were you I'd want to end it all too, so why haven't you yet?
"As has been pointed out in the parent comment, the would paint "punish" my mother for discreet, extremely important use of her cell phone."
All right, I've had it with this idiotic response being parroted repeatedly.
YOUR MOTHER IS NOT BEING PUNISHED. SHE IS CHOOSING TO PLACE HERSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE HER PHONE MAY NOT WORK. SHE HAS THE OPTION OF NOT PLACING HERSELF IN THAT SITUATION.
Your argument, whic has been repeated 50 times easily in this thread, was dumb the first time some moron spewed it out. The fact that many others have refuted the idea makes your rush to use it even worse.
So you watched a video of some people abusing an animal, and you decided that
A) that was representative of the industry as a whole and
b) you'd stop eating meat because of it
Why are people like you so easily manipulated?
Oh wait, I know it's because you watch a video of some people abusing an animal and decide that
A) that was representative of the industry as a whole and
b) you'd stop eating meat because of it
"It was the most disgusting thing I ever saw"
Well, if you were able to watch a video of your life, I imagine the part where you decided to stop using your fucking brain and allow yourself to be manipulated by some assholes with an agenda would disgust you far more.
"But they also don't *want* to know what they do to animals (or causes others to do to animals on their behalf)."
No, you nitwit, it's that most people realize the benefit of using animals in place of humans. As in "using sharks for this purpose will help SAVE HUMAN LIVES".
Animals lives aren't as important as human lives. Period, end of discussion, save your retort, it doesn't change that.
If a doctor has the option of giving a patient one medication which works, with few side effects, or several in combination that are marginally effective, may not work, and have severe side effects, the doctor would presumably want to go with option A.
In the case of resistant bacteria, they no longer have that option.
So to answer your question, yes it's the SCIENTISTS who are asking for more tools in their toolbox. That's not to say their bosses aren't happy about it, but your rush to assume the worst is unwarranted.
"Doctors will not prescribe an antibiotic without first verifying that there is some type of bacterial infection."
That is just patently false. Based on that, the rest of your post is meaningless (but also wrong).
Especially this part
"If left untreated, sinus infections can lead to bronchitis and pneumonia. It is perfectly reasonable to treat such infections with antibiotics before they reach the lungs and require more significant treatment."
There's nothing reasonable about using antibiotics prophylatically, except in patients with depressed immune systems.
Having sinusitis (whic is an extraordinarily common chronic condition) isn't justification for using antibiotics.
"Imagine the lawsuit that results when there's a heart attack at a theater and 911 doesn't get there in time because they tried calling 911 and it didn't work, due to they panic they didn't think about running outside to call."
I can imagine the lawsuit now.
"Person dies because other person is very very stupid"
In all seriousness, do you genuinely believe this would EVER happen?
Of course not, you're just another naysayer with no real objection, so you have to make up an idiotic one.
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"The Ad Hominem argument.
The last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt."
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA. Oh the delicious irony. I bet you don't even realize why that statement makes you look stupid.
"Usually a sure sign someone's lost a debate."
No, a sure sign someone has lost the debate is when they resort to pointing out logical fallacies in order to avoid answering. Like you did there. It's even better when they use that very same logical fallcy in the next fucking sentence. Like you did there.
And lastly
"hold my breath...."
Three points, not four. Cunt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis
It proves that in response to a "grossly misleading" article, an individual went out of is way to set up a test that supposedly proves he is correct, and the article is not.
Of course, the fact that the article WAS correct isn't addressed at all, but instead it is discounted for being "grossly misleading".
I read the original article. I understood what the situation was, and how the outcome occurred. I was not misled.
What this proves is that regardless of what you say about Macs, if it's bad, you'll get shouted down. It also proves that despite the fact that he is behaving like a fanboy, calling him one will also get you shouted down.
It's incredibly sad that the response to a security problem was to sweep it under the rug. What's the point of having a contest when you've already made up your mind about the outcome?
"right for a speady trial."
Still there.
"right for privacy in communication."
Also still there. I'm sure you'll spout off about examples that you think prove me wrong, but that will be your ignorance of what the law actually allows as in the next example...
"restriction in free movement (no-fly list et.al.)"
Lie. Movement isn't restricted, using a SPECIFIC FORM OF PRIVATE TRASPORTATION is restricted. You're free to walk/run/drive/charter a private fucking airplane/helicopter etc. It's factually incorrect, intentionally inflammatory comments like yours that have ruined this forum.
"spying on US citizens without cause and without judical oversight."
Another lie. The provisions for this were
A) present before the PATRIOT act and
B) don't allow what you've erroneously claimed they do
Why are you in such a blind rush to make up lies about the PATRIOT act/ United States?
I just don't understand why seemingly intelligent people turn into babbling idiots when discussing this subject. Care to explain why you did?
"Anyhow, the salesman helpfully explained to us"
You believed what a salesman told you?
"admin"
You misspelled fanboy.
"Poor MS bigots, can't take a little of your own medicine eh?"
So, you're proud of behaving like MS now?
And that "fanboyism" discussed in the article, you just did it. And the funniest thing is you are such a raging fanboy you'll try to deny it.
You judge NPR's bias based on the guests they have?
Maybe you should look up what bias actually means, then slap yourself for what you posted.
By the way, I'm NOT claiming NPR is biased ( I believe that certain prominent individuals at NPR may have bias, but overall they do a decent job).
Provide some EVIDENCE or shut up, you've been corrected three separate times, and all three times your response was essentially
"Nu-uh, I know better"
Well you don't know better, as has been demonstrated. So post your proof or stop engaging in wild ass speculation and naysaying.
"They believed they were being called in to fight just a regular fire."
At a nuclear power plant. With a humongous, gaping hole in it.
They knew. They may not have been told, but they knew.
And here's the REAL question you need to ask yourself, would it have mattered if they had been told? I doubt very seriously that firefighters would refuse to do their job regardless of the circumstances.
"The whole point of my post is that it's easy for good data to get lost in political debate."
Then why did you bring up unrelated, useless, politically motivated points?
No, it's obvious you were karma whoring, at tleast be a man and own up when you get caught.
And save your protests, no one believes you.
"Just to point out, that if you are against stem cell research, you must be against Invetro Fertilization because the cell are harvested from the discarded matrial of Invetro."
Just to point out, this statement isn't logically consistent in any way. In fact, it is completely backward logically, and makes no sense.
"I wouldn't mark your post as troll or flamebait, just ignorant."
Stones, glass houses, can't put together a coherent argumment but is snotty enough to call others ignorant...
No, I'd call your post a troll. Don't worry though, it's also ignorant.
"Well at least you know how to spell that. How about going for a six letter word next.
Ignoramus."
Ignoramus is a nine letter word.
"You'd be just as up in arms as I would if someone you knew died because the doctor unknowingly walked into an area where someone had decided they didn't like people taking cell phone calls."
Sure I'd be pissed. I'd wonder why someone who is on call didn;t have the foresight to make sure he could recieve communications. Would I be pissed about the building blocking his communications?
NO. IT'S THEIR BUILDING, THEIR BUSINESS, AND THEIR RESOURCES. NONE of what you've said changes ANYTHING about my point. It's the doctor's responsiblity to be available, and ONLY his. Failure to answer his call is HIS failure, and attempting to make it seem otherwise is just dumb.
Also, save the "my mom is a teacher" crap. NO PHONES in classrooms is the rule for most schools, and even if it's not, I'm certain you remeber the intercoms from your school days. Your mom doesn't need her phone in her class, and if she and you both claim otherwise, you're liars.
ANd to the point of the field trip, they have to let the school know exactly where they'll be. Admittedly, in a crowded venue tracking her down would take a few minutes, but this statement
"there is no other way of getting ahold of her (i.e. you can't just call the school and have them give her a message"
is an even worse lie. The school will know where she's at, and if they don't, it's because she's not following procedure. More importantly, SHE COULD TELL THEM.
You're reaching for justification, but it's not there. Just let it go.
"If you gave it any thought you would realize that just based on stupid things such as stickers on hair dryers that say to not use around a bath."
I understand perfectly your desire to post AC after making amoronic comment like this.
If you can't tell the difference between the hair dryer situation and this situation, then you'd be better off removing the sticker from the hair dryer and using it incorrectly.
Now, why you post at all is a mystery, seeing as how you openly admit no once gives a shit about your opinion. How so?
"Anonymous Coward"
That's how. How does it feel to be so worthless that EVEN IF you said something useful (which has about as much chance of happening as you getting some ass) that NO ONE would care?
Yeah, if I were you I'd want to end it all too, so why haven't you yet?
"As has been pointed out in the parent comment, the would paint "punish" my mother for discreet, extremely important use of her cell phone."
All right, I've had it with this idiotic response being parroted repeatedly.
YOUR MOTHER IS NOT BEING PUNISHED. SHE IS CHOOSING TO PLACE HERSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE HER PHONE MAY NOT WORK. SHE HAS THE OPTION OF NOT PLACING HERSELF IN THAT SITUATION.
Your argument, whic has been repeated 50 times easily in this thread, was dumb the first time some moron spewed it out. The fact that many others have refuted the idea makes your rush to use it even worse.
"The problem here is that everyone is being punished equally by this paint."
No, that's completely wrong.
No one is being punished, they are ACCEPTING TERMS OF USE.
Your ridiculous attempt to play the victim sickens me.
"You will learn about responsibility when you have children. I don't need a study to tell me that violent videogames are bad for chidren"
What are you basing your opinion on?
Or right, nothing. Very responsible that...
So you watched a video of some people abusing an animal, and you decided that
A) that was representative of the industry as a whole and
b) you'd stop eating meat because of it
Why are people like you so easily manipulated?
Oh wait, I know it's because you watch a video of some people abusing an animal and decide that
A) that was representative of the industry as a whole and
b) you'd stop eating meat because of it
"It was the most disgusting thing I ever saw"
Well, if you were able to watch a video of your life, I imagine the part where you decided to stop using your fucking brain and allow yourself to be manipulated by some assholes with an agenda would disgust you far more.
"It's not *just* that people are dumb. They are."
Leave PETA out of this.
"But they also don't *want* to know what they do to animals (or causes others to do to animals on their behalf)."
No, you nitwit, it's that most people realize the benefit of using animals in place of humans. As in "using sharks for this purpose will help SAVE HUMAN LIVES".
Animals lives aren't as important as human lives. Period, end of discussion, save your retort, it doesn't change that.
I recognized right away that you're not too intelligent.
How?
This
"lower taxes"
and this
"national health care"
Nice troll though
If a doctor has the option of giving a patient one medication which works, with few side effects, or several in combination that are marginally effective, may not work, and have severe side effects, the doctor would presumably want to go with option A.
In the case of resistant bacteria, they no longer have that option.
So to answer your question, yes it's the SCIENTISTS who are asking for more tools in their toolbox. That's not to say their bosses aren't happy about it, but your rush to assume the worst is unwarranted.
"Doctors will not prescribe an antibiotic without first verifying that there is some type of bacterial infection."
That is just patently false. Based on that, the rest of your post is meaningless (but also wrong).
Especially this part
"If left untreated, sinus infections can lead to bronchitis and pneumonia. It is perfectly reasonable to treat such infections with antibiotics before they reach the lungs and require more significant treatment."
There's nothing reasonable about using antibiotics prophylatically, except in patients with depressed immune systems.
Having sinusitis (whic is an extraordinarily common chronic condition) isn't justification for using antibiotics.
"Imagine the lawsuit that results when there's a heart attack at a theater and 911 doesn't get there in time because they tried calling 911 and it didn't work, due to they panic they didn't think about running outside to call."
I can imagine the lawsuit now.
"Person dies because other person is very very stupid"
In all seriousness, do you genuinely believe this would EVER happen?
Of course not, you're just another naysayer with no real objection, so you have to make up an idiotic one.
"I can't help but view this as the fault of the US."
Of course. Your post clearly indicates that you aren't intelligent enough to actually understand the situation, so in light of that you blame the US.
Perhaps you should become better educated and less jingoistic. You'd be able to avoid sounding like such a moron.
"(Reposted, account modetarded as "overrated" by an ignorant redneck moderator)."
Sorry jackass, but you don't get to spew that crap without a response.
I find it hilarious that your first response to your totally appropriate moderation was to lash out with ignorance and bigotry.
Of course, you post was filled with it too, so I don't know why I didn't expect it.