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Apple Enters Media Center Domain

An anonymous reader writes "CNN has a story up describing Apple's new media center concept. The software takes on a classic Apple approach: simplicity. 'The program, called Front Row, lets you listen to music, watch videos, play DVDs and display photos from a distance with a few clicks of a lighter-sized, six-button remote control.'" More details available from ThinkSecret.

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  1. Or.... by daeley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't precisely a secret, however, and hasn't been for the months since it was introduced. :)

    http://www.apple.com/imac/frontrow.html

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    1. Re:Or.... by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 5, Informative

      The news is in the second link... the article on thinksecrets.com

      Basically the news is that Apple will be letting users stream purchased content from .mac iDisk drives - including full length movies.

      I still can't decide if this is a good idea or not... this model has its advantages, but it most certainly has its disadvantages as well.

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    2. Re:Or.... by Golias · · Score: 5, Informative

      The hype is in the second link... the rumor on thinksecrets.com

      Basically the speculation is that Apple might be letting users stream purchased content from .mac iDisk drives - including full length movies.


      Fixed. :)

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    3. Re:Or.... by JazzCrazed · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hopefully Intel will give the Mini a real good boost, then - or some magic has to be done with the tuner, because the current solution for an Apple-based PVR timeshifting 1080i HDTV requires no less than a dual G5 (click requirements on right side).

      I wouldn't even dream of using one of today's Minis as an HDTV PVR. I got so frustrated with mine that I sold it.

      Not to mention that unless the Mini does real-time compression it'd probably run out of disk space real fast with its 2.5" drives that currently max out at 100GB - at least, for anybody who records a lot (at 8GB/hr. for uncompressed - that is MPEG-2 - 1080i, that's at most 12 hours of recording time before something needs to be compressed, and MPEG-4 compression on today's Mac Minis is, IMHO, HORRENDOUS - it took mine 16 hours to compress MPEG-2 to H.264 MPEG-4 for a 2 hour movie - and that was at DVD res, not 1080i).

      But who knows... Maybe Intel will make this bottom-rung Mac more powerful than some of the top PowerMacs out now. And I'm speculating like the rest anyway, so I hope you had your salt shakers with you while you read this comment. ;)

  2. Installing Frontrow on any system by Digital+Pizza · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a utility called "Frontrow Enabler" that will allow you to install FrontRow on any Mac, not just the iMac G5. The utility and instructions are here. You need Pacifist and the latest FrontRow Update from Apple.

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  3. Re:About time by mustafap · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >One thing that bugs me is the fact that you're stuck with their display

    I think the Mac Mini demonstrates a willingness to abandon single source on displays. Good thing too, IMHO

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  4. read the link! by Chowser · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read the link to the article at Thinksecret. It's more than about Frontrow. The short paragraph linking to the article doesn't really describe it well. Really quite interesting about storage on iDisk and such.

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    1. Re:read the link! by Golias · · Score: 4, Informative

      In other words, they linked to a story about Front Row to make it seem like news, then linked to a RUMOR about Apple's streaming video plans to make it seem like the media streaming is the news.

      Hence, "Apple Enters Media Center Doman" is a story about a product which has been out for months, with a link to wild speculation about What It All Means.

      Without the redundant link to a useless Front Row review to make the headline kinda-sorta factual, you would be left with the far-less interesting story, "Another Rumor Going Around About Mac Media Centers."

      Lame.

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  5. six buttons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "a few clicks of a lighter-sized, six-button remote control."

    shouldn't it just have 1 button?

  6. Re:Old News? by sgant · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, Apple is rumored to be working on an operating system that is based on BSD Unix and will have a user-friendly UI attached to it.

    They are also thinking of getting into the music arena, possibly with portable MP3 players, but analysts say this is just crazy.

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  7. Personally I would not buy it.... by WTBF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a media centre it does not seem to have very many features, even if it is meant to be simple.

    Here is what I use on my MythTV box that are not available for this:
    - Watching live TV
    - Scheduling recording of live TV
    - Web interface to access information
    - Weather
    - Games
    - News feeds
    - Advert detection

    These are all things I use on a daily basis and I think that they should be included in any media centre, and Apple's offering barely meets any of those.

  8. Re:Not a Media Center by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Front Row doesn't display live TV" That is pretty limited functionality. So, why would you hook this up to your TV?

    TVs already display live TV. The idea is that this can be a replacement for your DVD player and CD player. It lets you easily play music, movies, and TV shows and other video you buy online. I think they are hoping to basically do an end run around the cable and satellite companies. Instead of subscribing to cable, you just buy the shows you want rather than a subscription to a bunch of shows you don't want and a few you do. The main drawback is the cost per show (which seems high). The main advantage is it lets you have a permanent copy and see it whenever you want, instead of on a fixed schedule.

  9. not what I'd hoped by GKevK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I RTFA... and I'm disappointed. If this is going to depend on programs being cached on iDisk, then why do I need a new Mac Mini at all? Lots of the speculation was that the new mini might get a tv tuner card and lots more storage, to give it DVR functionality etc. How is this different from a website that just streams you video? Media center... yeah right. I'll keep my TiVos.

  10. six buttons? by cancerward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Six buttons is too many for an Apple object! I suggest just one button, and the remote can
    have a motion detector in it; the user can hold the remote parallel to the appropriate
    face of a cube, and click the button. Simplicity itself!

  11. Their MP3 player won't be any good. by ThreeDayMonk · · Score: 4, Funny

    They are also thinking of getting into the music arena, possibly with portable MP3 players, but analysts say this is just crazy.

    I hear that it will have lower capacity than its competitors, and lack wireless. As that's lame, no one will buy it.

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  12. Re:Not a Media Center by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Insightful
    TVs already display live TV. The idea is that this can be a replacement for your DVD player and CD player. It lets you easily play music, movies, and TV shows and other video you buy online. I think they are hoping to basically do an end run around the cable and satellite companies. Instead of subscribing to cable, you just buy the shows you want rather than a subscription to a bunch of shows you don't want and a few you do. The main drawback is the cost per show (which seems high). The main advantage is it lets you have a permanent copy and see it whenever you want, instead of on a fixed schedule.

    I think you've hit it on the head. Front Row is going to be a really big deal.

    And a big reason I think this is because of Steve Jobs - let's recap what we know about him, aside from his famous temper:

    - does NOT agree that television and computers will have 'convergence' in the way it is usually described; he thinks more of a co-habitation if you will, with the computer as the ultimate master to all other media slave devices
    - HATES the entrenched media companies (Yes. See: Disney negotiations, major music label negotiations)
    - wants control over the entire user experience
    - is infamous for finding 'end-run' solutions as you put it to sticky delivery problems (or more recently, bailing/sabotaging if it doesn't work, see: ugly dysfunctional iTunes-capable Motorola phone)

    And its been so obvious for old Apple watchers like myself, the pieces have been marshaling for a long time. Right back to the ratification of the QuickTime container for the MPEG-4 spec at NAB, moving through the entire evolution of iTunes and the iTMS. They've got the hardware that everyone thinks is cool; they've got the premiere online model for selling digital content (not even a web page! in their own 'browser', iTunes!); they've got an ancient, highly respected and super-capable media container format; they've got a Disney-level brand. Only thing I think they are missing right now are the video-capable Airport Express and some (admittedly tricky) content deals.

    They could totally kick ass with this thing if they execute well, but its a very weird situation, since the main competition for Living Room Celestial Jukebox are game consoles from Microsoft and Sony. Those are game machines, and Front Row is not, but all these projects have the LRCJ as a major design goal.

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