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Sony Develops Buckyball Fuel Cell

Jonny Marx wrote to mention a post over at Digital World Tokyo detailing Sony's latest fuel cell technology, which uses Fullerenes (Buckyballs) to achieve a lot of power in a little space. From the article: "... The technology looks like a significant step in the right direction toward the development of DMFCs powerful enough to supplement or replace lithium batteries for handheld gadgets. Methanol leakage and power output have been the devilish details that have stopped DMFCs becoming widespread, along with regulations that are still being hammered out to allow methanol to be carried aboard passenger aircraft, and a methanol fuel infrastructure, i.e. being able to pick up refills at Japan's ubiquitous konbini (convenience stores) for example."

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  1. Trixy! by mister_llah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait a second! You tricksters!

    That's not fuel! That's a fruit roll up!

    [if you don't get it, at least LOAD the article]

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    1. Re:Trixy! by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, and it's DRMed with a fruitkit.

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    2. Re:Trixy! by ciroknight · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fruit rollups aren't fuel? :( I'll have to tell my mommy to stop packing them in my lunch pail then.

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  2. Carry a fuel can with you? by jimmyhat3939 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Is it just me, or is anyone else weirded out by the notion of carrying around a tin full of methanol to power up your gadgets? Can you really imagine being, say, on a plane or in a subway and whipping out a can of this stuff to "top off" your gadgets?

    Realistically, I think they'll have to develop some kind of disposable delivery system, maybe something that looks like batteries, that you jam into your gadget and throw away when it's out of fuel (or maybe it could be refillable). Question would be, how much fuel do you need to give you, say, 15 hours of play time? Would it fit in one or two double-A size batteries, or would you need to carry around a jug of the stuff?

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    1. Re:Carry a fuel can with you? by David+Hume · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Is it just me, or is anyone else weirded out by the notion of carrying around a tin full of methanol to power up your gadgets?
      The year is 1908. One man on horseback is talking to another men on horseback as they see their first Model T Ford.

      Sam says, "Is it just me, or is anyone else weirded out about driving around while sitting on top of a tank of gasoline?"

      "No, partner, it ain't just you. Flicker may gave me trouble at times, but at least I know he's not going to explode," replies Dusty.

      Sam, thinks and says, "It's not like I'm I'm afraid or nothing, but it looks like those things can go pretty damn fast, and there are more and more of them every day. Can you imagine the things running into each other, each loaded with gasoline? Can you imagine the fires and such?"
    2. Re:Carry a fuel can with you? by pilgrim23 · · Score: 3, Funny

      BuckeyBalls? oh my...has anyone been cruel enough to say: "Fuller Up Please!" ?

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    3. Re:Carry a fuel can with you? by shmlco · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yeah, to me this is going off in entirely the wrong direction. Which would you rather do? Plug your notebook into any available electrical outlet to recharge it, or continually buy gallons of fuel at the store just so you can bring them home and use them to fill up little fuel cells?

      Maybe if they can scale it up for automobiles the technology will be worthwhile, but for consumer devices? No way.

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  3. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This week we like Sony?

    1. Re:So... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not necessarily. We just realize that there are good things and bad things that come out of corporations. Then we try to decide which ones are heavier.

  4. More info on Buckyball or Fullerene by Capeman · · Score: 4, Informative

    On Wikipedia.

  5. And for those of us that don't use this scale... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Funny

    power density of about 100 milliwatt-hours per square centimeter.

    Could someone convert this to furlongs per LoC and tell me what other competing techs like today's laptop batteries have?

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  6. I'd buy when it becomes available... by trudyscousin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...but I've decided to cut my nose off to spite my face by boycotting Sony because of Sony BMG's recent DRM-o-rama.

    Seriously, this is the Sony I once knew and loved, when it did things like this all the time. Maybe those of us boycotting the entire company because of last month's debacle should adjust things a bit?

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  7. Too bad... by ConfusedGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's too bad that Richard Smalley, co-discoverer of the buckmeisterfullerene, died a few weeks ago. I'm sure he would have loved to finally see some of his research hitting practical consumer markets.

    Rice University hasn't been the same without him. He was sort of a big deal around here.

  8. So.. by aurb · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..how long until they create robots powered by alcohol?

  9. Efficiency? by headkase · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The question is how much energy is lost by converting it to this form. If the conversion(s) from sources of energy to user-forms actually pollutes or wastes more transforming along the way then it still needs work or other alternatives should be explored. Practically all the energy (excluding nuclear and gravity) we use originates from the Sun (oil used to be plants, topsoil is mostly plant material...) itself so the ideal solution considering thermodynamics would be to have the form to be a minimal number of transformations from the source as possible.

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  10. What about the weight? by t0qer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I love flying Electric RC stuff. One of the major considerations for an RC power system is weight, which is why NIcd is going out, and LiPo is all the rage now.

    The article was really scant on details, does anyone know approximately what the weight of this device will be? Will fuel cells be able to replace typical LiPo batteries in RC aircraft?

    PS, typing this live from my Karaoke show, stop by and say hi :)

  11. Wait a minute! by woolio · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought I once heard that buckyball molecules were extremely hazardous to humans (they would slice/punch holes in cells due to their hardness and not easily got rid of)

    And this device is supposed to be powered from methanol?

    Only in Capitalist America would a device constructed of hazardous materials, fueled by a flammable substance be allowed on an airplane while strictly forbidding toe-nail clippers. (or did the ban on them end?)

  12. More info on Karma Whoring by FireballX301 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but nah, I don't think I'll link to wikipedia.

    1. Re:More info on Karma Whoring by strider44 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Karma Whoring. Ah bugger, my karma's all full anyway.

  13. Hate on Sony all you want... by gamer4Life · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..but one thing you can't deny is that they innovate, unlike other notorious companies (ie. M$). Their engineers have developed some really great technologies over the years, but unfortunately, some screwballs within the company keep messing things up with excess baggage such as copy protection schemes.

    It's funny how their media business has made alot of money, but it's also their media business that is handcuffing their electronics division from doing better. The executives then look at how well their media business is doing and then appoint the person in charge of it all (Howard Stringer) as CEO. So now their electronics business is even more screwed since they have a content guy in charge. So instead of content supporting their electronic sales, they have electronics supporting their content business.

    Sony should get back to it's roots (no pun intended), and focus on innovative new technologies, and tell it's content and media business to stay out of it.

  14. Environmental impact? by NeuroManson · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6458

    Carbon molecules called "buckyballs" - which hold great promise for nanotechnology - but have been shown to harm fish have been made safer by scientists.

    The soccer-ball-shaped carbon nanoparticles were shown to cause brain damage in fish and kill water fleas in a study in March 2004. But now a team at Rice University in Houston, Texas, US, has come close to understanding how buckyballs - more formally known as fullerenes - kill cells and how their toxicity can be lowered in human cells.

    Although the toxic nature of the carbon-60 nanoparticles may be useful in medicine, for example in fighting cancer, there are concerns that their potentially widespread use in fuel cells, drug delivery and cosmetics could mean they find their way into the environment, and so into animals and humans.

    "There are a couple of different manufacturers that will, and are, mass producing fullerenes," says Christie Sayes, one of the team. "They could make it into consumer based products: fuel cells and batteries or make-up," she says.

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