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Film Documents Software Creation

vasanth writes "Aardvark'd: 12 Weeks with Geeks a story of intern programmers at New York-based Fog Creek Software creating a product from scratch to shipping, is now finished, one of the first films to delve wholly into the life and culture of coding. And though it may not be the next Harry Potter, it's an engaging film that focuses more on the personalities of the people than on the technology, bringing to life a process ordinarily wrapped in geek mystique."

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  1. Such a movie already exists by Seiruu · · Score: 3, Insightful
  2. A bit on the movie's costs, profits, and success by Skim123 · · Score: 3, Informative
    This blog entry by Joel Spolsky details the success of the film, including the profit and loss... interesting to see the cost breakdown in making an independent film. As of December 1st they had sold nearly 2,600 copies of the DVD, but being listed on /. will surely net some additional sales.

    Of course the real profit is in increased exposure to Joel's company and the highlighting of his internship program, which likely promises an even better crop of students next summer.

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  3. Compare to the 1981 version... by Myself · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you haven't already, you owe it to yourself to read The Soul of a New Machine by Tracy Kidder. It documents and humanizes the effort at Data General, with one team working to soup up the existing architecture, and another team working to redefine the market with a revolutionary new design.

  4. No, you are incorrect by eclectro · · Score: 3, Funny
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  5. Bill Gates cloned!! by wiredlogic · · Score: 4, Funny

    It looks like one of them is a clone of Bill Gates. Note the peculiar neck implant. This can only be the work of the Borg as they try to infiltrate our planet.

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  6. Software Creationism... by rubberbando · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the Beginning, there was 0....

    On the 1st day God said, let there be 1's and it was good...

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    1. Re:Software Creationism... by Stephen+Williams · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm shocked that a website such as this, frequented by technologists and scientists, is promoting the so-called "theory" of software creation. It is a well-documented, proven fact that software comes into existence by evolving slowly over time. Don't even get me started on those fools who believe software to have been intelligently designed.

      -Stephen

  7. Perfect! by xeon4life · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Brilliant! No, seriously, this is the perfect way to introduce prospective CS students to the geek culture. I have friends that are very worried about their future, and aren't sure whether they're ready to commit themselves to studying CS yet, but a film like this is the perfect way to help alliviate some of their fears. It wont solve any outsourcing dilemmas, but it will certainly encourage them.

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    1. Re:Perfect! by lysergic.acid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if programming is just a source of income for you, then the effort you put into it, and thus the quality of your code, probably won't be as good as the code produced by someone else, to whom programming is a hobby or a passion. In other words, if you actually enjoy programming, you will likely be a better programmer than someone who doesn't.

  8. Re:How does it compare to Windows XP Remote Assist by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Informative

    It looks like VNC on the client, and some proprietary code on their server so that rather than have VNC listen, it connects to their server which acts as a matchmaker. The advantage being that it can get through firewalls, since most of them don't block outgoing connections on port 443.

    https://www.copilot.com/tech/

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  9. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought the same thing at first... But then it hit me... Remember the first project you were a part of? Assuming you've been there... It really was a blast for me and exciting. Some days the work was boring as all hell, but when you're with a project from start to finish and see it ship, there's something in that, at least at first.

    After years of it though, it begins to lose its magic. Especially if you went from a geek dominated culture, to one where a soccer mom is your project manager. The point is though, that while I think I would find this boring as all hell, to people who haven't been there, they might find this really interesting. I would have before the industry found my soul into a fine dust and spread it across the ocean of asskissers.

  10. Re:A bit on the movie's costs, profits, and succes by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe next time around he could get a group of 20 prospective interns and then, in a high-pressure software company version of the board room (Joel's office maybe), fire one of more of them each week until only one remains as Joel's Apprentice! Of course, finding type-A personality geeks who would appeal to the same audience as Trump and Martha might be difficult...

  11. Not Bad. Not Great. by BinBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was almost no technical content and nothing dramatic happened. Code Rush and StartUp.com were more entertaining.

  12. Re:so this is basically an advertisement? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You must be new here. That has been Joel's modus operandi for months now. If he farts and writes about the delectible smell, it winds up on Slashdot.

  13. Re:Success of this movie.. by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, does this movie feature
    * Attractive girls, elsewhere than on computer screens?
    * Humour, understandable by people who aren't living in their parents' basement?
    * Action, more thrilling than tracing a memory leak in C program?
    * Adventure, filing post-outsourcing job applications to mcdonalds not included?
    * Love, relationships to chat bots not counted?
    * Message, other than that life sucks and your imaginary girlfriend doesn't?


    Slashdot doesn't have any of these, and yet people come here in droves. On a more serious note, there have been many movies that have done well without that, like "March of the Penguins". Obviously this isn't your typical blockbuster, but keep in mind that making a profit requires a lot fewer sales.

  14. I don't know about the coding by penguin-collective · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've got to hand it to Joel: regardless of what you may think of his programming skills, he does have the art of shameless self-promotion down to a science.

  15. Re:Joel by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll tell you waht I'm jealous about -- I'm jealous of that sweet UID you have. Bastard.

  16. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like everything today is being turned into a film or reality show. Not everything is exciting, especially coding a new project. In fact, that's probably one of the least exciting things they could have focused on.

    Not to mention that Joel is pretty much out of karma - the guy has been preaching as a self-anointed genius of software development for over half a decade now.

    So what has he achieved?

    Well he still has a tiny shop - about the same size that he had when he cashed in his Microsoft options. A large portion of his pimping is for trivial crap like his endless use of Amazon affiliate links, as well as attention whoring. Of his products, one is a trivial, overpriced rip of an open source VPN, the other was a marginal CMS that they've pretty much canned, along with a one-of-about-a-million-clones bug tracking package.

    Woot!

    What a prophet.

  17. Educational tool? by harborpirate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All I can say is I'm going to make sure to catch this ASAP - to try and determine whether I can send it out to family members so they can finally understand what exactly it is that I do every day.

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  18. Finally, a reality show my WIFE will hate!!! by AngryNick · · Score: 4, Funny
    Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

    After years of putting up with the crappy reality shows that my wife likes to watch, this will make the perfect gift for her! Sweet payback for all the nights I've had to endure her [bleeping] "Real World" addiction with its 20-year old mindless babble.

  19. Re:Versa by Drantin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just out of curiosity, what is it like over there in Soviet Russia?

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  20. not meant for already-initiated geeks by CoughDropAddict · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was actually just watching this movie a second ago. It didn't quite live up to my expectations.

    This movie is primarily about geeks geeking out. If you've never been around that, you will probably find the movie more interesting than I did. For example, a good ten minutes were devoted to the interns discussing whether they could jump out their window to the next building in case of a fire. If you are a geek who performs thought experiments with friends/co-workers all the time, you already know what that's like.

    This movie is not about sharing insights about how to develop good software. You shouldn't think of the movie as an extension of Joel's column. Opportunities for venturing into that realm are abandoned. For example, all the interns are given a stopwatch and a stack of computer books their first day. Later on, one of the interns admits that he has no idea what the stopwatch is for. Unfortunately, the movie never gives us the answer to that question. I was wondering if it had something to do with user interface design, like quantifying the irritation of having to wait around for software by starting the stopwatch when you see the hourglass. But we never find out.

    There is also not much technical content. We get only a few details about the project and its technology.

    The biggest disappointment was the camera work. The footage shakes around a lot, especially in shots of computer screens you're trying to read. Far too much of the film is overexposed -- Joel's face is often half-white. This happened throughout the movie, and was visually distracting. This ultimately left the film feeling somewhat amateurish.

    For the good: Joel Spolsky and Paul Graham were both engaging as always. They're the kind of guys that manage to make almost every word they say intriguing. The employees and interns are likable people you don't get tired of hearing from. You get a chance to see some interesting decisions, like deciding to pay $10k for "copilot.com" instead of using the inferior name "sidepilot" (though we never hear anyone justify why having the .com is a must -- what's wrong with "copilot.fogcreek.com?")

  21. Re:What? by cammoblammo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My experience is that soccer mums make great project managers.

    Organising six kids (four of whom are somebody else's and refuse to be organised), planning and acquiring resources for activities and meals, transporting everyone in a safe and timely manner and then coaching the soccer team... I think I'd rather just be a cubicle jockey.

    Some of the projects I've been involved in would be a walk in the park compared to a lot of the 'normal' families I know.

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  22. Re:What? by Mossarian · · Score: 4, Funny

    More than likely the projector will crash during the show and they'll have to issue a patch for a security flaw in scenes one and four. Version 2.0 is due out next summer (maybe). Not to mention that it went over budget and over time with scenes in it that no one asked for and in future the entire production will be outsourced to Bollywood. :-)