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Kazaa Blocks Australian Users

afaik_ianal writes "The Sydney Morning herald is reporting that Kazaa is blocking Australian downloads of their client, just a day after the deadline passed for implementing keyword filters. According to the article, Shaman networks were still working on installing the filters yesterday."

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  1. It's kind of funny... by Corsican+Upstart · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's kind of funny.. they're based in Australia, and they can serve everyone but citizens of their own country...

    1. Re:It's kind of funny... by kocsonya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > It's kind of funny.. they're based in Australia, and they can serve
      > everyone but citizens of their own country...

      What's new? The government in Canberra has been doing it for ages...

    2. Re:It's kind of funny... by NoGuffCheck · · Score: 5, Informative

      While Sharman Networks is based in Australia here is the company structure:

      Sharman Networks was registered in Vanuatu in January 2002 as a private company that markets and owns Kazaa.
      Kazaa includes Kazaa Media Desktop, kazaa.com and kazza.n et.
      Sharman Networks has nil authorised capital and two ordinary issued shares.
      The shareholders are two companies: Global Nominees and Credit Facilities Limited.
      The beneficial owne rs are Vanuatu International Trust Company Ltd as a trustee for the Sharman Trust.
      Sharman License Holdings is 100 per cent owned by Sharman Networks, and the beneficial owner is Sharman Trust.
      Worldwide Nominees is the director of Sharman Networks and Sharman License Holdings.
      Worldwide Nominees is owned by Global Nominees and Credit Facilities Limited. The director is Geoffrey Gee and Regent Limited. Geoffrey Gee is a Vanuatu-based solicitor.
      The beneficial owner is Trustees International Limited as trustee for Golden Sands Trust.
      Global Nominees is a Vanuatuan company, the beneficial owners of which are the partners of Vanuatu accounting firm, BDO.
      Credit Facilities Limited, which is one of the nominal shareholders of the shares in Sharman Networks, is similarly a BDO company.
      Lindsay Barrett is a partner of BDO in Vanuatu. He's also director of Vanuatu International Trust Company, VITCO.
      VITCO is the trustee of the Sharman Trust and owner of the whole of the issued capital of Sharman Networks Limited.
      The nominated eligible beneficiaries as defined in the trust deed are the International Red Cross.
      The International Red Cross claims to have never been contacted about this. Nikki Hemming is listed as "director" of VITCO, which is the beneficial shareholder of the Sharman companies located in Vanuatu.
      Sharman operates in Australia via LEF Interactive.
      LEF is an Australian registered private proprietary limited company. Sole director is Nicola Anne Hemming, whose only property asset has been sold to Sharman accountant John Simon Myer.
      LEF has paid up capital of $1.00.
      If you can set up this sort of company structure and understand it, you deserve to live in a multi million dollar mansion.


      Now I cant remember what your question was but I hope my answer clears it up for you...

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  2. So. by Data+Link+Layer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like those 14 people are going to have to find another method to all their copyright infringed material from.

  3. LATE BREAKING NEWS by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 4, Funny

    NEWSFLASH: Kazaa is still around.

    people still use that?

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    1. Re:LATE BREAKING NEWS by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I said the exact same thing.

      Myself, I couldn't see myself trusting any company or application like this. Seems like every time I have to fix someone's computer, it's because of shit they got from kazaa or whatever.

      On the other hand, people keep smoking.

  4. Re:That's okay by mattjb0010 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just like America has nothing but Britney spears and Gigli. Serious, how does such an ignorant troll get modded "insightful"?

  5. Re:why listen? by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why are they voluntarily blocking downloads? It's not like there's a Great Firewall of Australia to block them, and they're not based in Au

    From Wikipedia:
    Consumer Empowerment responded by selling the Kazaa application to a complicated mesh of offshore companies, primarily Sharman Networks, headquartered in Australia

    So actually, yes they are based in the AU. So yes, they kinda do have to follow rulings made by Australian courts.

  6. Re:That's okay by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Funny
    Serious, how does such an ignorant troll get modded "insightful"?

    This IS slashdot after all.

  7. Re:That's okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You Australians are pretty uppity for being down under.

  8. Can anyone tell me by NoGuffCheck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is stopping Sharman Networks from closing down and starting up under a different company and name. I would think that brand has almost zero good-will when it comes to p2p clients... why bother jumping through hoops when it seams like they could start again at very low cost and have **AA begin their whole lawsuit process again (at great expense of both time and money).

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  9. Irrelevant by bwd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kazaa has been relegated to the trash-heap of the net with the advent of bittorrent and registration-only bittorrent trackers. They went the same direction of Napster, because they were litigated into nonexistence.

    Decentralization is key to survival now if you want to avoid litigation on the infrastructure.

  10. Bit misleading? by NewsWatcher · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought the story headline was slightly misleading. People in Australia with KaZaa can still use the service, they are just trying to block new users downloading the software. Bit pointless really given any number of other P2P applications will turn up versions of KaZaa or KaZaalite.

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  11. Time vs Money by Bifurcati · · Score: 4, Insightful
    These days, I don't (er, and never have) download music from filesharing networks - sites like AllOfMP3.com, where I can download music for 6-10 cents a song means that it is far easier for me to get on there, find the album I want, choose the exact encoding I want and get the album fast and conveniently. Plus, I know for certain that it's a good quality encoding, that it's actually the right file, and that I can get all of the album. (Provided, of course, that the album's actually on there!)

    Ultimately, the death of pirating shareware is going to be governed by the pricepoint more than anything else. Sure, free is always cheaper, but if you can get the music at the right price (and I certainly think allofmp3.com has got it!) then that's going to be a major player.

    (And yes, I know there are questions about the legality of the service. But so far it's stood up the legal challenges presented, and it's got to be "more" legal than filesharing, right? :) Not that that matters twojots to the RIAA I guess :)

  12. Nobody will care by Mancat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kazaa was good in its day, but offers little to no anonymity, and is completely infiltrated by RIAA/MPAA/*. So, if you want to go to jail, go ahead and use Kazaa to download your copyrighted material.

    That being said, few people are still using it. Nobody will care. Those that do care, can now move on to a better client/network.

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  13. Re:Irrelevant -- reasons for trash heap by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Kazaa has been relegated to the trash-heap of the net with the advent of bittorrent and registration-only bittorrent trackers.

    Kazaa has been relegated to the trash-heap of the net because it's laden with spyware, has an ineffective hashing system that has allowed it to become more polluted by OverPeer and its ilk than any other P2P system (in excess of 50% of the files on KaZaA are damaged, in excess of 90% for some very new releases), hasn't been updated in 3 years, and gathers more lawsuits of users than all other P2P systems combined.

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  14. Re:Shaman or Sharman by richdun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Meh, damn shaman are overpowered anyhow.

  15. It's also an improvement by rolypolyman · · Score: 4, Funny

    On the announcement, Telstra said it would proceed with shutdown of several OC-48 backbones as spyware traffic falls.

  16. Re:"More" legal? by Bifurcati · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As best I understand it, they pay the Russian music body a licensing fee, and as far as Russian law goes, they've satisfied all the requirements necessary to distribute music. The grey area is whether they have the right to sell it to us folk over the seas. If it were CDs, then there's no law against importing a CD, but the internet is a different kettle of fish - it's quite unclear what their legal obligations are. They're probably not in the spirit of the law, but seem to be within the letter. The RIAA tried to get them shut down, but failed; it remains to be seen what course of action they take.

    As for the paying/not paying thing, artists (of major lables) get virtually zip from CD sales; I figure at least this way, the albums I buy are making it to the Top 10 on this site, which then encourages more people to buy them, etc, which ultimately results in more listeners and hopefully bigger sales at concerts, where they make their real money. Of course, this doesn't work out so well for the Labels (and hence the sustainability of the current industry model) but that's all for the better we might start to see some shake up.

    Anyway, I rarely buy new music - it's mainly jazz I'm after, and the occasional soundtrack.

  17. Oblig by Pneuma+ROCKS · · Score: 4, Funny

    As if half a dozen of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

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  18. Re:"More" legal? by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    not only are the copyright owners screwed, but you feel justified in screwing them and are supporting their (unfair) competition.

    Whereas if you pay iTunes for it, you're supporting THIER mafia-like tactics.

    Thank the gods for cdbaby.com :)

  19. P2P Profit Model Changing by burningion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    With all the litigations coming from the music and movie industry, it just doesn't make sense for a company to try to own the P2P software.

    Instead, companies should develope and release the software for free, into the wild, and create a profitable market using the network itself. It's time for a really creative person to figure out how to release a lasting P2P client/network and make a profit from it in a really untraditional way.

    Like utilising all the traffic to build models for what people are searching for. Selling the information to marketers. Letting people sell content through P2P networks, whatever. I'm not the one to create the next fix for P2P, but it is out there, and I'll be the first one to use it.

  20. Re:How Exactly Does This Work? by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kazaa is centralized; all Kazaa queries go through the Kazaa network. So no, the original inventors of the FTP protocol aren't going to be busted - unless they coincidentally happen to be running an illegal warez FTP.

    That's what's happening with Sharman. They're not being busted for creating a client that other people use illegally, they're being told to implement blocks on certain traffic that passes through their network. They didn't do the blocks, so instead they pulled access from Australia in order to comply.

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  21. Multichoice test by skingers6894 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When all current filesharing systems have been hunted down and destroyed the users of those systems will flock to:

    a) CD Stores
    b) The next, better, faster, more anonymous filesharing system

    What do you think?

  22. Re:"More" legal? by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can't legally import a CD for resale in the U.S. if the exclusive U.S. distribution rights to that CD have been purchased by/granted to a company.

    That's correct - except that AllofMP3 isn't importing anything. They're exporting from Russia. Importing anything into the USA requires a legal entity here, in the States!

    I can legally buy something from a mail-order catalog from Brazil and have them ship it directly to my house, if I desire it, for personal use. They aren't breaking any laws, and neither am I.

    So, AllofMP3 isn't importing anything at all, they're selling items over the Internet to whomever wants to buy it under Russian law, apparently in full compliance with the letter of Russian law. What's more, US copyright law specifically allows imports of copyrighted materials from oversees when purchased for personal use, when such materials are sold in compliance with the foreign jurisdiction, even when foreign laws conflict with US law!

    IANAL, but it seems pretty bullet-resistant to me. And, it's damned convenient...

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