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New Mammal Species Found in Borneo

lemonysam writes "The BBC is reporting that a new mammal species has been discovered in Borneo by a conservation group trying to document the local species, as part an effort to prevent the destruction of their habitat by logging and agriculture. The species, which has not been identified by local experts or the indigenous population, is roughly the size of a domestic cat and is believed to be carnivorous."

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  1. Re:New "species" of "mammal"? by presidentbeef · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article mentions:

    "It's more likely to be a viverrid - that's the family which includes the mongoose and civets - which is a very poorly known group," Dr Isaac said.

    That being said, they only have two photographs of it so far, so it's hard to tell what it is...

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  2. Re:New "species" of "mammal"? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative

    > I have a question: Aren't class, order, genus, and family entirely arbitrary? Shouldn't we now classify living things entirely with genetics?

    Not entirely arbitrary. What's somewhat arbitrary is how high in the tree of life the branches that get those labels are. Unfortunately it's a big messy tree that wasn't designed for the convenience of classification.

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  3. Looks a lot like a Fossa by madaxe42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It really looks like a Fossa - usually native to Madagascar. Wikipedia Fossa.

    It's a member of the Viverridae family, which is fairly poorly known, due to their being a) nocturnal b) rare and c) furtive.

    1. Re:Looks a lot like a Fossa by madaxe42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      More pictures and videos here

      As an aside, does anyone else have problems with copy/paste in firefox 1.5?

  4. Re:But by trollable · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bear is not carnivorus, it is omnivorus like pig and human. Whale is not carnivorus, it eats plancton. Dogs are canivorus. Many fish are also eating other fish, I don't know if they qualify. Tyranosaurus are carnivorus too, never eat one of them.

  5. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Sique · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a matter of fact: France fought the most wars in modern history (that's since the 15th century). It fought more than Great Britain, Prussia and Austria (the other large nations in Europe with many battles) together. As far as I remember, it was more than 2000 wars with french involvement, compared with 500-700 for each of the other nations. The U.S. come not even close to a 10th of the numbers of France. And if french troups have surrendered here and there, the quote is still smaller than that of other nations (otherwise France would not be here anymore).

    Jokes about France surrendering sheet more light on uneducated jokers than on french national characteristics. If you really want a nation to make jokes about because of constant bad luck in battles, take Saxony: No major victory in battle since the second siege of Vienna. Frederick the Great of Prussia once joked: Saxony is like a sack of flour: You can beat it as often as you want, there is still something coming out (Yes, I am of saxon origin).

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  6. Re:But by core+plexus · · Score: 2, Informative
    If the grandparent was living in the bush in Alaska and ate his bear there, it may well have been living entirely off of salmon runs, in which case it would have been carnivorous when he ate it.

    I did indeed eat bears in the Bush in Alaska, and still do. Besides eating salmon, they also eat carrion, baby moose, ground squirrels (they spend a day digging for them), whale carcasses, etc. They only eat grass when there's nothing else to eat, or their too old, and they only eat berries before going to bed. Also, in the fall the baby Moose and Caribou are too fast and smart to catch.

  7. Re:Rodents Of Unusual Size?... by madaxe42 · · Score: 2, Informative
  8. Talk about a can of worms you just opened by Flying+pig · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well, no, they aren't arbitrary, except in the pedantic sense that arbitrary means by making a judgement - as in the word "arbitration", and not in its modern sense of "just one person's opinion". They are based around the understanding of taxonomy available at the time. (And, ultimately, from the religious concept of the chain of being - it's remarkable that current Christian fundamentalism is actually regressive compared to 17th and 18th century Protestantism, and proof that society goes backwards as well as forwards.)

    The whole area of the filing of lifeforms - taxonomy - is in a state of flux, and the best way to get a grip on it is to read the popular writings of Jay Gould, who is so sadly no longer with us. Classification with genetics is at an early stage and we still do not know how to measure genetic difference reliably - which is why there is now disagreement over how closely human beings and chimpanzees are related. We can measure very small genetic divergences in the same species, but measuring the size and significance of genetic diferences between related species is very hard.

    Disclaimer - I am not a taxonomist, just someone who is interested in the subject. Which is why I urge you to read Jay Gould. Even if you aren't really that interested in the subject, his writings should be familiar to any reasonably well informed slashdot reader.

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  9. Re:Whats left? by arose · · Score: 3, Informative

    Giant squids have been confirmed for some time now, what they managed recently is photographing a live one.

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  10. Re:But by trollable · · Score: 2, Informative

    But even if bears are classified in the carnivora order,
    "Bears live in a variety of habitats from the tropics to the Arctic and from forests to snowfields. They are mainly omnivorous." (Wikipedia)

    About dogs: "Presently, there is academic discussion as to whether domestic dogs are omnivores or carnivores. The classification in the Order Carnivora does not necessarily mean that a dog's diet must be restricted to meat. Unlike an obligate carnivore, such as a cat, a dog is not dependent on meat protein in order to fulfill its dietary requirements." (Wikipedia)

  11. an agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    This came out faster than researchers could verify the results, and before they obtained a live capture.

    I think we should all take this with a grain of salt, that picture could have been taken anywhere.

    Keep in mind these people have an agenda to stop logging in the area. Though a noble effort, a bad though crafty way to go about acquiring results. However, it may be that there is no logging going on in these parts in which case they are lying to make sure the area is declared forest preserve. It may be that this ends up working, and the area ends up protected in the future as a result.

    Just something to think about.

  12. Re:New "species" of "mammal"? by jackbird · · Score: 2, Informative
    Glass is fluid and will gradually flow down in its frame until a critical point is reached and it shatters.

    Sorry, that's elementary school science bullshit. We have intact glass vessels from the Romans. A couple hundred year-old windowpane didn't flow, it was wedge-shaped to begin with and installed in the stongest possible way.

    The overall gist of your comment is pretty right on, though.

  13. Not quite by jd · · Score: 3, Informative
    Baeleen whales do indeed eat plankton (and sometimes krill), as they are filter-feeders. Toothed whales eat larger fish (sometimes caught in a net of air bubbles a group of whales will produce), squid and other larger sea creatures. Dolphins (which are technically in the whale family) are even known to eat porpoises (also in the whale family). Interestingly, there is actually footage of Orcas (which are dolphins) throwing porpoises through the air with their tail repeatedly to each other, before killing and eating them.


    Toothed whales cannot (as far as I know) eat plankton, so they are definitely carnivores. Krill is animal, as are zooplankton (as opposed to phytoplankton, which is plant, and bacterioplankton, which is bacterial). This means that Baeleen whales are eating both plant and animal, so are technically omnivores.


    Dogs are also omnivores - well, maybe I should say that they THINK they're omnivores. T. Rex was probably omnivore - there is evidence it ate plant material - and if they ever extract any DNA from the T. Rex organic material they've found, you may yet get the chance to eat one. Or vice versa.

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