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New Mammal Species Found in Borneo

lemonysam writes "The BBC is reporting that a new mammal species has been discovered in Borneo by a conservation group trying to document the local species, as part an effort to prevent the destruction of their habitat by logging and agriculture. The species, which has not been identified by local experts or the indigenous population, is roughly the size of a domestic cat and is believed to be carnivorous."

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  1. New "species" of "mammal"? by nurhussein · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It should be a species of a particular genus, no? Mammals are an entire class of organisms, where if the species is new we should at least be able to identify the genus (and order, and family).

    1. Re:New "species" of "mammal"? by mrRay720 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      it's a big messy tree that wasn't designed for the convenience of classification

      In fact, it wasn't designed at all! I'm sure you didn't really mean that, but let's not go giving the nutjobs ammo, eh.

      That asside, it's incidents like this that just help show how little we still understand about our own world, yet we're still merrily destroying enormous parts of it. How many wonders will now never be known because of our actions this past century? How many will cease to exist in the coming one?

  2. Whats left? by Da3vid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What is even more interesting is not only is it a mammal, but it is a carnivore. This means that is relatively high on the food chain, but it has gone unnoticed thus far. This begs the next question: has it really gone unnoticed for so long, or has the species only recently evolved? We discover new insects and bactera all the time, but discovering a new mammal kind of revives that scientific ambition in all of this that there really are some things out there that haven't been found.

    1. Re:Whats left? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Interesting
      but it has gone unnoticed thus far. This [raises] the next question: has it really gone unnoticed for so long, or has the species only recently evolved?

      TFA says that considering the long muscular tail, it may well be arboreal, not on the ground much, and is also probably nocturnal. So not that likely to bump into.

    2. Re:Whats left? by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      there really are some things out there that haven't been found.

      Oh you better believe there are things out there which haven't been found. From the recently confirmed giant squid to a thing my girlfriend in the Philippines found crawling in her house ("many legs" was the best description she could offer, and they had to get the neighbours in to corral and nail the bugger, which was as long as her arm) there are a whole lot of critturs that western science has never even heard of out there. Particularily in south east asia where a good deal of the small islands haven't even been accurately charted, never mind subjected to a full eco-survey.

      There probably aren't any dinosaur islands hiding out there, but to think that we have a comprehensive catalogue of even the land based animals on earth is just optimism at this stage.

    3. Re:Whats left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay, scary thought: how do we _know_ men can't interbreed with other great apes? It's not like it's been tried much or something?

    4. Re:Whats left? by Woldry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is an oft-stated but ill-supported definition of "species". It's more problematic in botany than in zoology -- i.e., it seems to be far easier to create hybrids across species lines when interbreeding plants (think tangelos) than when interbreeding animals. But even in zoology it's not a firm rule. For example, donkeys and horses are considered separate species, but they produce viable offspring, and sometimes (rarely) those offspring are fertile.

      At the other end of the species definition problem you have things like ring species. Are the individuals at either end of the ring different species, because they can't interbreed with individuals at the other end? Or are they the same species, because they can each interbreed with individuals from the intermediate areas?

      Granted, these are rare phenomena. But they serve to illustrate that the definition of "species" is much hazier than the "can breed" sound byte suggests.

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  3. New Species? by MrApples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems that the title is a bit misleading.

    "So far, two images are all that exist. But they were enough to convince Nick Isaac from the Institute of Zoology in London that the animal may indeed be new. "The photos look most like a lemur," he told the BBC News website. "But there certainly shouldn't be lemurs in Borneo." "

    This all sounds incredibly ethereal to me. Thus I find it odd that they say "New Species Found..."

  4. Re:But by core+plexus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If it's a carnivore as the article speculates, then almost certainly not very good.

    I disagree. I've eated bear more than once, and it was pretty good. I've also eaten whale, seal, and walrus (But I never had Walrus Penis served to me in a restaurant). They have a strong fishy taste, but I'm OK with that. Not sure if they qualify as a carnivore, however. If so, then I could include some of the bug-eating birds and bug-eating bugs I've eaten.

    I like to try different things. I once was stranded in the Bush (Alaska), and had a diet of ground squirrels. One day, I noticed some ground squirrels eating the remains (uncooked) of some of my previous ground squirrel kills. I ate a lot of them that month.

  5. Re:But by turtledawn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i know, i know, responding to someone openly going by the name trollable. My biologist's background won't let me leave this be, though.

    If the grandparent was living in the bush in Alaska and ate his bear there, it may well have been living entirely off of salmon runs, in which case it would have been carnivorous when he ate it. As for whales, that depends upon the species of whale; the baleen whales eat krill, which is composed of small shrimp-like creatures while orcas- killer whales? you've heard of them -are most certainly carnivorous. Dogs on the other hand will eat just about anything if they have to- rabbit droppings (good source of fiber, those) come to mind. They prefer meat but don't require it in the way that cats do. Tyranosaurus probably tasted at least a little bit like chicken, and quite possibly modern factory farm chicken at that... Do you know what your food's been eating?

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  6. Re:Acham's Razor by Oakey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about this (true story). I live in Blackpool, a seaside town on the North West of England, the last place you'd expect to find a ring tailed lemur considering they're supposed to be confined to Madagascar (with the obvious exception of Zoo's, etc).

    A few years ago my friend came home for his dinner, on arrival his mum said "There's a monkey in the back garden". He just looked at her like she had gone insane and says "yeah, of course there is", she replies "no, really, there is. There's a monkey in the garden. I've seen it!". So he looks out and there's nothing there, looks back at his mum and just rolls his eyes at her. So he gets his dinner and tells her "I'm going to go eat this in the conservatory and watch the giraffes and the elephants in the garden". 10 minutes or so pass and he's eating his food, and he looks up to see a lemur sat on the grass looking at him through the window.

    They eventually managed to trap it in the shed and called someone from the zoo or RSPA to come and get it. They figure it was smuggled into the country and either someone had enough of it or it escaped.

    So in answer to your question, I'd say there's a healthy black market in lemurs

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  7. Re:But by quigonn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And dolphins are actually Odontoceti (toothed _whales_). QED.

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  8. Re:what I want to know by mcspoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Horse pucky. Ask anyone: What does WWF mean?
    World Wrestling Federation

    Only tree huggers have a problem with that. Regardless, check the patents now and see WHO owns WWF.

    Hint: it's NOT the World Wildlife Fund anymore.

  9. A fossa-like vivverid is pretty exciting... by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My first thought was that Nick Isaac was smoking something good. It sure looks like a fossa to me, and it's possibly a related viverrid. That could lead to a real breakthrough in our understanding of the Malagasay viverrids. As far as I know there really aren't any close relatives of the fossa anywhere else in the world, and this could help solve the question of whether the fossa (Cryptoprocta Ferox) and the malagasay civet (confusingly categorised as Fossa Fossana) are related or not.