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Patents and User Protection In OSS
missing_myself writes "Linux.com has nice summary on 'How major distributions are dealing with potential violations of patents and trademarks, cryptography, packaging proprietary software and consequential damages' from Bruce Byfield (a journalist from OSTG)." From the article: "Slowly, some commercial distributions are taking a different route. In the last few years, indemnification has become an increasingly important issue in FOSS communities, largely because of the SCO-IBM case. Claiming ownership of Unix, SCO alleges that IBM has allowed copyrighted code to pass from System V Unix to GNU/Linux. Although no evidence has been released and the trial is not scheduled until February 26, 2007, the issues in the case have made both commercial and community FOSS participants reevaluate their practices."
I know windows won't let me use the OS in every way I want. For example, they have DRM that is enforced, DVD players under windows can lock you into a region. A friend had a linux laptop that was not locked into any region.
Is Linux going to start doing the same thing as windows? Are the major distros worried about being sued?
There are way too many lawyers in the USA. I bet if someone did a study, they would find just about everyone will be sued at least once in their life. Too bad it is not like the old days of PC computers when software companies made good money and left users alone. But ever since software companies stopped selling software and started selling services, they now are going after users. I guess selling software once for $50 is not as profitable as activating software on a monthly fee of $12.95. Take the RPG of the 80's and compare them to the games of today. :( If they had open networks, it would be like the 80's, but companies see a way of making more money.
Just a side thought, but will SCO even be around anyomre when the trial starts? Even if so they will have little or no money to sustain a case, especially against a giant like IBM who could outspend even MS. My biggest burning question is where does UNIX (the code) go to? Who would inherit SCOs IP? Will UNIX enter the public domain?
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For that matter, another horrific flaw in the American system is that trials are not bidirectional.
Let's say an evil villain accused you of killing someone. You turned around and said to the Judge, "But Your Honor, HE killed people! I didn't!" The Judge would say "We aren't here to discuss him. He's not the one on trial."
In the real world, this sort of thing happens all the time. Scummy individuals (or, more often, scummy companies) take innocent people (or companies) to court on BS charges, and at the end of it all-- after the "good guys" waste so much time and money fighting said BS charges-- the BEST they can hope for is essentially "Yeah, you're innocent. Bye now, you're free to go."
That's it. That's what the "good guys" get for their destroyed finances and personal lives.
Even a "loser pays" system wouldn't fix this (and, in fact, in practice a "loser pays" system would probably just end up benefiting the rich "bad guys" anyhow, as they could use it to bankrupt, say, single mothers whose kids allegedly warezed copies of popular music).
I know somone who was taken to court over trumped-up, rubbishy charges... charges of WRONGFUL DEATH at that. Meanwhile, it was her accuser, if anyone, who was responsible for the death. This case destroyed her social life, her health, and her finances. In the end, the bad guys won.
Were it not for IBM's presence (for the moment, at least) among the pantheon of "good guys" as far as this case goes, we wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hell.
Is there any country whose justice system isn't completely corrupt and bureaucratic and slothful and wasteful and HORRIBLE like ours? This truly makes me sick.
With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
Protecting intellectual property is good. Going after old women because someone downloaded a mp3 on thier cable line is bad. Having fees which do not match the crime are bad.
The problem is everyone has become so greedy. It is a cycle. The software companies got greedy, so they pushed the end users around with absurd EULA's. The users got ticked off and pushed back copying and distributing protected materials on P2P networks. Software companies cripled their software and made it call home. Hackers got ticked off and wrote hacks.
My advice to software companies is this: Treat the end user with respect. Why shouldn't an end user be allowed to make one back up copy of their software (for example)?
will SCO even be around anyomre when the trial starts?
Possibly - they did a slash-and-burn on their personnel this summer, and recently (a week or so ago) "persuaded" their investors to chip in $10M to keep them afloat. Assuming their burn rate doesn't change, they might just stick around to see trial.
It all depends on whether Novell gets to take their money - they owe 95% of their "Unix" revenue to Novell (well, technically they owe 100%, and Novell gives them 5% back.) Novell has a motion before the court to get 95% of SCOX's money placed in escrow.
they will have little or no money to sustain a case
They claim that their legal fees are capped, so their lawyers are working for free after their cash is gone (assuming they're (a) telling the truth, and (b) SCOX manages to avoid bankruptcy altogether.)
My biggest burning question is where does UNIX (the code) go to? Who would inherit SCOs IP?
Assuming that SCOX has Unix IP to begin with (their contract with Novell says they don't,) it would be sold to the highest bidder in bankruptcy court, just like any other assets.
Will UNIX enter the public domain?
Probably not - unless someone buys it at their fire-sale and releases it as such. Rumor has it that it might already be public domain, because AT&T released it without copyright attribution (this is hearsay based on the AT&T/Berkely settlement.)
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the problem is not the software infringing on patents, it's the fact that software can be patented at all.
All of this software is legal outside of the US, whether there are US patents held on it or not. It is the US patent system that is at fault here, not the software vendors.
The US needs to get its act together, or it will find itself falling behind in homegrown new technology as all the innovative companies move (or stay) overseas.
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I guess it's valid since we do have cases where people were sued (even if the claims were false in the end). So having insurance to cover court costs against frivolous lawsuits is indeed necessary. That, however, to me points to a major flaw in the current legal system: we need insurance to continually financially protect us from frivolous lawsuits. It should be easier to avoid baseless accusations, but it isn't.
I guess my question would be, how do you define "baseless?" Currently, under both federal and state rules, a party bringing a lawsuit -- and their lawyers -- can be held liable if they bring a truely frivolous lawsuit. Under the federal laws (rule 11 of the Code of Civil Procedure), the lawyers and the party bringing a lawsuit have an affirmative duty to determine that a lawsuit is not frivolous before they file.
Now, frivolous or baseless probably means different things to different people. A lawsuit won't be dismissed as frivolous if there is a reasonable theory that can support the lawsuit -- it doesn't matter if the theory is likely to win or not, just that is is not unreasonable. The idea is, let the facts come out, and we'll see if it's a winner or not. Of course, that means you have to defend yourself, but the tradeoff is greater access to the courts versus greater difficulty in getting cases thrown out right at the begining.
And remember, relatively few lawsuits ever get anywhere near trial -- most cases get disposed of in pretrial motions, or get dimissed. In the federal courts, less than 2% of filed cases get decided by a trial. And if a case is really, truely baseless, it will not survive a motion for dismissal, which is the usually first thing that happens once a complaint is filed.
If you want to have a system that gets rid of "truely baselss" claims before things even get started, you would need to first define "baseless," and then figure out how to sort out the baseless claims from the claims with merit. Personally, I think a strengthening of Rule 11, and enforcement of Rule 11 more often, would serve such a gatekeeper role without requiring an overhaul of the legal system. If Rule 11 had real teeth, lawyers would thing twice before filing a case that could cost them money, or their license, and clients would think twice before running immediately to court, because it would cost them money and because they might not be able to find a lawyer to represent them.
"That's not even wrong..." -- Wolfgang Pauli
FOSS does not mean the voluntary contribution of a group of stupid hippies to the business interests of the world.
Welcome back to the Wild West. He who can code, controls the world. We write code. We use code. End of story - Except...
Corporate America has a schizophrenic obsession with the code we write and use. On the one hand, they see something for free and want in. On the other, they see an ENORMOUS threat to everything they stand for, and want us all taken out back and shot.
Well, this time, it doesn't really matter what Corporate America wants. They can play along if they want, but every time they try to play (or buy) the new sheriff in town, they get tarred and feathered and send home crying to mommy that we treated them unfairly. "They broke my pathetically weak DRM! They won't let me root their PCs! Make them play fair, Un'ca Sam!"
Patents? What do the distros do about it? The "real" distros, by which I mean those that don't have shareholders to answer to, do nothing. And if they buckle, someone else will come along to replace them - Once you know how, it doesn't take much to "roll your own" distro (I say that as someone who has done it... granted, maintaining one, with active users, takes a lot of free time).
So stop Asking Slashdot what horrors will befall us when the festering patent dungheap hits the cool-breeze-blowing fan of Open Source. Because the fan gets a little dirty, and keeps right on spinning, while those flinging the feces get covered in shit.