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Computer Jobs -- How to Resign Professionally?

MikeDawg asks: "I submitted a letter of resignation yesterday, and today I'm at home posting stories to my weblog and Slashdot. I gave my employer two weeks notice, and almost immediately, I had my accounts disabled, and my permissions revoked on all the computers at my work, which makes me unable to do anything in my position of being a 'Systems Analyst/Systems Administrator'. I spoke with the HR rep, and gave her my notice yesterday, then I spoke with her today about what had happened to my access, and they honored my resignation... 2 weeks early. (Luckily, I'm compensated in pay for the next two weeks). What I want to know is, how do you computer and IT professionals out there put in your notice of resignation (if you are with a permanent employer, and not contractual), and not get immediately shutdown, and shunned away from the computers? The CIO immediately thought I was going to do something terrible to the system, and destroy accounts, and any other activity that I have access to, but I was giving him notice that I was leaving. What is the professional thing to do?"

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  1. You did the right thing... it's their problem. by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems like IT professionals are getting like investment brokers: when you give them two weeks notice they give you the money and ask you to leave.

    I don't think it's anything personal. It's just the way some businesses nowadays prefer to operate. I think it's a mistaken attempt at managing risk. Think about it: would a guy who wants to screw you over give two weeks notice? No, they'd do you dirt and take off with no notice.

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    1. Re:You did the right thing... it's their problem. by IntlHarvester · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I had an old boss that taught me this trick about 10 years ago -- When a sysadmin quits, give him a two week paid vacation and immediately change all the passwords. Most of them had something lined up anyways, and if they weren't backdooring things, they were just going to sit around shorttiming it.

      Funny thing was nearly every system admin that resigned attempted to access the systems during their enforced vacation. Probably nothing malicious, but since you don't know that, it's a wise policy.

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  2. Lucky Bastard by DeadBugs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I resigned in a professional manner, they made me stay the whole 2 weeks. Sometimes they escort people out of the building that day for security reasons and still pay them for the remaining 2 weeks. However, I had to stay and fill out paperwork and go to BS meetings and suffer. What they did to you is pretty standard and has nothing to do with you or how you resigned.

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  3. I resigned about a month ago by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wrote out a nice letter saying that while I enjoyed working there, I had been offered a better position that I could not refuse and that I would be resigning in two weeks. I kept all my access, and I had physical access to the equipment and back up tapes. I parted on good terms and could go back to my job at any time.

    Without knowing your relationship with you company and what your letter said, I can only suggest your boss is a jerk.

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  4. Re:What's the question again? by RodgerDodger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, as you say, the OP got paid anyway, but...

    In every job I've had that I've left (five in the last 12 years), I've never had my access cut off until I actually leave. I've always worked until the last day, and I would be surprised if an employer didn't want me to. Mind you, I've never been fired, and in all but one case, I was actually on fairly good terms with my employer. I've never even heard of employers terminating access for people who are leaving of their own accord.

    As a matter of fact, in most of the occasions I've left a job, I needed to keep access to the last minute to assist with a smooth handover of my work.

    In a situation where an employee has notified their employer that they wish to resign, there is no security risk in letting them keep their access (and do their job) until they leave. If they were disgruntled and were going to do anything nasty, they would already have done it prior to tendering notice.

    (It's a very different situation if the employee is let go, of course)

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  5. Re:In my experience by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For all the talk of rights there's only one thing true at the end of the day: If you're an at-will employee then you are completely at the mercy of the employ

    Let me rephrase that: For all the talk of rights there's only one thing true at the end of the day: backups and dirt beats the odds all the time. I've got 3 complaints going through the system against my former employer, and if I hadn't snagged a copy of everything, time-and-date-stamped files, emails, etc., I wouldn't have a hope in hell. Got 2 more calls from one of the investgators today. So, instead of me being at some asshats mercy, he's probably looking at an audit. No amount of vaseline will make that comfortable.

    Backups. Backups. Backups. It's not just because hard drives fail. So do people.

  6. Corporations as Psychopaths by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    explain to me how he is any more of a liability then before he gave notice.

    that's right... he isnt.

    managers are just jackasses and dont have a grip on reality.

    The reason being that the vast majority of corporations would be classified as criminal psychopaths if they were human beings. There is even a big documentary/movie on this point.

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  7. Re:What did you expect? by thekla · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The real liabilities are our mistreatment of employees, and how the reaction to lack of respect and trust takes form from them. The majority of the time that an employee does something bad to his or her workplace, it's an act of revenge or bitterness because they wronged and feel disrespected. Contrary to popular belief people do not cause mayhem and mischeif to others for no reason.

    Agreed. The plethora of posts about how this is SOP and something to be expected amazes me. I have left my job twice this far, in good terms, and both times I was expected to stay in there until the last day, help with the transition, tidying up all loose ends and demonstrating to clients that the handover was smooth and safe. In both cases, aside from throwing a mini party and having personal talks with most co-workers to thank each other for long-time cooperation, I also sent emails to clients ensuring them that the resignation is in good terms and explaining them all the steps taken to ensure that their projects will not be affected, sometime visiting them to introduce the co-worker that would replace me on my former duties.

    Yes, I could have done a lot of horrible things from ruining relationships, to deleting files, or even stealing knowledge and sensitive information. But I could have done these things before resigning anyway. And I knew a lot of stuff without access to the computers in the first place. So, it's more a matter of being a respectable and civil person, who feels that their former employer honoured them and is not likely to become a criminal beast the day after resignation. If my employer believed that the only thing stopping me from screwing up their business was that I didn't have a job elsewhere, I very much doubt they'd be employing me in the first place. Then again, please note that I live in Europe, and I understand that corporate culture here is on the average somewhat different thatn in the US.

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  8. 2 tips: backup + behaviour by otisg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) Before resigning, no matter how professionally, ensure you have all your data with you. No, not their data, just yours, if you used their resources for your own stuff. Then, regardless of how they react, you will have nothing to worry about.

    2) Choose your employer wisely. If you see any signs of them acting inhumane with other employees, leave, and do it as described under 1).

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  9. Re:Random Thoughts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Also, unless you're leaving for competition, the CIO probably didn't think you were going to 'do something malicious'.

    This brings up an excellent point. Many employers are concerned that an employee will move to a competitor and bring their customer along with. Just image an IT employee giving two weeks notice before moving to a competitor. In that two weeks, the new employer may offer a bonus for some information.

    At first I thought it was absurd to boot out an employee that has already stated their intent to leave. After all, they are supposed to spend the last two weeks making sure their responsibilities and knowledge are properly transferred to someone else. But now I see why some employers may ask a resigning employee to leave right away.

  10. I've never encountered this "SOP" before by msobkow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the original poster did the right thing by giving notice.

    Personally I've never had my system access shut off because I gave notice, but I did have it shut off before I was told I was laid off (many years ago.) However, as I've worked in a number of verticals I know there are a few that disable access to live systems, but let developers keep working during their notice period.

    With live/production data, there are often regulations that would prohibit allowing a sysadmin to continue accessing the system after they've given notice. I realize it probably feels insulting to have your access shut off after acting like a professional and giving notice, but I wouldn't take it personally.

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  11. The professional thing to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    1. Clean up your business before giving notice. Expect never to come back.

    2. Give notice.

    3. Offer critical information (e.g. passwords)

    4. Ask what they would like you to do with your remaining time.

    5. Do what they ask (within reason).

    6. Stay off of all systems unless specifically asked to do something.

    7. After you leave, do not try to access their systems again.

    The tricky thing is to limit your own access to the systems as much as possible. If you're allowed continued access, someone could be setting you up for a fall. After you leave, someone may try to use your accounts to access information, or just to sully your name. Make it known to them that you won't be trying to access the systems after you leave, and that any further use of your accounts is unauthorized.

  12. Re:What did you expect? by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Security is about managing risks. There's no way to make something perfectly secure, only to manage the risks it presents to your organisation.

    Immediately ceasing access for staff who are leaving, as an example. Most people aren't going to do anything. If they've given you 2 weeks notice and you let them go straight away, you're spending the equivalent of 2 weeks wages to treat the risk they will. Depending on the company, many places are happy to accept that risk treatment cost.The risk is not just that they will trash their computer or your systems. They may also steal or misuse confidential data, like customer lists.

    I know of one person in consulting, who planned to setup his own company, doing what he did for his current company, and had planned to send a goodbye email to all his corporate contacts saying he was now in practise for himself - at 75% the price. He however was similarly unaware, like the original poster, of his company's seperation practises, and was escorted from the building immediately after handing in his letter of resignation. Fortunately his old company never found out about this, so he got a good reference for when he went for a similar job at another company, unable to start his own firm.

    I once saw a post on slashdot about how sad it was that the NSA would destroy entire machines that had never been out of their box, just because they had been designated as spares for their datacentre. Consider it another way.. the machines were 2 years old, purchased tax free in bulk, and depreciated down to a minimal value. The risk posed that they may have ever been used and had operational data meant that it made a lot of sense to destroy perfectly good hardware.

    Anyway, the point is, risks aren't always as obvious as they seem, and risk treatment is an interesting beast. Sometimes you do things which look like waste in order to prevent threats.

    (IANAL, but I am a risk management/it security consultant :P I'd recommend the same thing in the same situation)

  13. Re:What did you expect? by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Some organisations will lock you out as a matter of policy as soon as you "betray" your intentions, but I've had much better treatment the last couple of times I left a job. Presumably because they knew I was trustworthy.

    One employer left my key accounts in place (disabled) and hired me to do some consulting ("temp work", really) using those (re-enabled) accounts afterward.

    The last place I quit amazed me at just how trusting they were: On my last day on the job (after giving notice), my boss, his managerial peers, and their boss were all unavailable, so I had to find a "responsible individual" in the department (a non-manager with more seniority than me) to give my keys to that afternoon. At the end of the day, I was actually left alone in the data center with both login and physical access to critical systems (to say nothing of the office kitchen and storage room). They trusted me to shut down my computer, turn off the interior lights, and lock the door behind me on the way out. (Which - considering that I was quitting in part because I hated how the place was run - was rather naive.)

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  14. Re:What did you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Actually, severance is a company protecting itself from lawsuits.

  15. is two weeks really professional? it depends..... by fl!ptop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    about 2 years ago i resigned from my full-time job w/ 2-weeks notice. i thought 2 weeks was sufficient since i wasn't in the middle of a 6-month project or anything. i telecommuted, and had daily tasks to handle, so my access was not 'cut off' until after i left (i assume - i never tried to ssh back in after i was gone). their attitude was not very cordial, as no one spoke to or emailed me during the last 2 weeks and no exit interview was given.

    now, if i had given 2 weeks in the middle of a 6-month project.......well, that seems like it would've been unprofessional.

    of course, since i knew 2 months prior the exact date i was turning in my resignation, i had plenty of time to get what i needed - like the email where my project manager explained why i was an employee and not an independent contractor - which came in handy when they told the irs they didn't withhold my taxes because i was an independent contractor.

    come to think of it, telling me 'c-ya' and giving 2 weeks pay would've been nice, since the last 2 weeks of working in isolation was kinda weird.

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  16. My Experience by Chagatai · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've resigned twice in my professional life. In both occasions I gave one day short of two week's notice, and on both occasions I worked until the very last day (where I would leave at about 2:00PM following getting my last paychecks). I intentionally gave that much time so that I could complete the transition, make things smooth, and have a nice turnover to the next guy.

    You know what? In both situations my managers chose to sit on their hands and then gave me someone who was technically incompetent with only three days to go. The first time I had to give four years of knowledge to a new college hire who had only about three months of experience. The second time the boss chose to find a "warm body" to whom I could give the information. The "warm body" part was fulfilled, but he was utterly useless aside from that and was asked to leave. I could not figure out why they would wait so long, except that it just accelerates the Chain of Falling.

    (The Chain of Falling is the trend that happens when one member of a team leaves and the work gets distributed. Imagine that there is a team of 10 people. One person gets a new job, realizing more money or power is a possibility. The remaining work gets distributed amongst the remaining 9. Then a new person comes onto the team. So, not only has work been increased for everyone, but they also have to train the new guy. The ninth person follows suit, and the pattern continues. Eventually the team is winnowed down to 2 or 3 people who know what they are doing, the remaining 7 have compartmentalized knowledge, and everyone feels stressed and unhappy.)

    A tirade, I know, but I just don't get it.

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  17. Re:What did you expect? by flosofl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I too am in risk management. I heartily agree with what you have said. It all boils down to each companies tolerance of risk. Some companies are willing to pay the 2 weeks of serverence even though the employee no longer performs the job.

    I work for a multi-national bank, and they do this all the time. They may spend millions over the course of a couple of years doing this, but this is what they are willing to pay to mitigate the possibility of even higher loss. There are some systems (I'm thinking of Fed Reserve and clearing house operations) that could cost that much over the course of a couple *hours* if they were disrupted (fines and/or actual loss). Even though internal controls make it unlikely to happen, the risk is still there and paying for 2 weeks of non-productivity is a small price to pay to reduce it.

    This does not even take into account the *legal* problems a company would face if they allowed an out-going employee access and he/she disrupted operations to the point of major financial loss. It's called Due Care. And it can result in criminal charges being brought against the senior management. "So you knew the possibility existed, but still let this person have access?"

    Don't be insulted. This is just SOP these days for any company with responsibilities to shareholders.

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  18. Re:What did you expect? by Twanfox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Be that as it may, what about the situation where the employee knows they're leaving, but the employer knows they're not. SOP for technical employees then becomes "Resign a day or two ahead of when you want to quit. That way, you get to work up til the end, and get a 2 week bonus". It may be 'sensible' to manage risk like that, but it is severely rude to respond to someone's polite and respectable statement of intentions with (the equivilent of) 'Get out now.'

  19. Better ways... by Alomex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I informed my boss that I would be quitting as soon as we completed our current project, and that I would not leave any time earlier than that, as I would never leave my team stranded halfway a project. I also asked him not to tell my team so as not to demoralize them. In the end this was in the order of six weeks notice which was sufficient for him to plan a replacement strategy.

    Once we had finished everything to satisfaction, I told my boss that I would be gone at the end of the week. He gave me two extra weeks of salary and told me that I would retain priviliged access to all accounts for another two months, in case my help was needed. He's a class guy and not long after that he was promoted.

    Chalk one down for the good guys for once.

  20. Re:What did you expect? by Anonymous+Luddite · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually funny/not-funny

    I worked at a company where one of the managers decided to move on. She was near the top, worked hard and was quite professional. Her mistake was in giving three months notice so they could work out a graceful exit.

    She was fired on the spot, asked to leave the property and given the minimum statutory severance.

    In my jurisdiction, once you've given notice you may be let go immediately provided the company pays severance. I knew I was leaving my job with that company for 6 months and didn't give notice till 2 weeks before. I would have loved to give them more time to plan for my replacement, but figured they'd just shaft me.

    They went bankrupt a few years later. Sometimes you get what you deserve. :-]

  21. Here's an interesting approach... by iwrasahp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...that was used by a former Apple employee

  22. I actually said that to my last employer. by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 5, Interesting


        I told them that I was walking off of the job, RIGHT NOW, and that was all there was to it.

        One of the bosses got upset with me and said that it was discourteous to do something like that. You should give two weeks notice that it would get back to you later and you might not be able to get a job for a stunt like that.

        I then told them that my employment was a contract where you paid me for services, and if you fired me, you would walk me out of the building immediately.

        "So, I'm firing you. You're all incompetent, and the system is failing due to that. Consider my vacant position as a sign of things to come."

        When I walked it stirred people. That next week they lost three. Two more quit the next week. I was an underground leader of the staff, and when I went, the whole place saw my lead and thought it wasn't worth it.

        All in all, it was the most worthy thing I've done in years.

  23. Re:What did you expect? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Oh... and to answer the question asked -- the best advice is to keep it short and to the point, no comments about why you're leaving or where you're going. "Dear Manager -- As of (date) I resign my position as (position) --Sincerly (yourname)"
    When Charles de Gaulle resigned from the French Presidency, his resignation letter was:
    "Je cesse d'exercer mes fonctions de président de la République. Cette décision prend effet aujourd'hui à midi".

    ("I cease to exert my functions of president of the Republic. This decision comes in effect today at noon").

  24. Re:What did you expect? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you're insane you have backups of your email. If you take anything of the sort and there is a good chance you are in violation of multiple sections of company policy

    Company policy isn't law. Would you refer to have selected correspondence presented as evidence against you in some dispute? Make email backups; actually paper prints are better, lawyers trust paper more than digital files. Don't announce it, just have them in reserve in case they try to bushwhack you. I presented some email in a wages dispute, the send timestamps showed I'd been at work (or at least doing work) when they claimed I had skipped out. (Yeah, sure they could have been faked easily, though they weren't.)

  25. Re:What did you expect? by forgetful_ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At one of the places I worked, I was terminated along with everyone else remotely involved with the same project. (Not relevant, getting to it) When I was let back in the building, they told us off site, the systems admin actually let me take home the second hard drive of my workstation, because I had a tonne of mp3's on it. Her boss wasn't consulted, he'd have undoubtedly said no. I'm sure her decision was a combination of being a cool person and survivor's guilt, but she still didn't have to say yes.

  26. black and blue by Michael+Wardle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Adelaide Crows wear red, gold, and navy, rather than the red, gold, and black of the German Flag.

    Oddly, however, the St Kilda Saints did share the German colors at one point.

    Very funny post, I just thought you'd find this interesting.

  27. Re:He's trying to deal with his feelings... by adrianmonk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What he's probably dealing with is the feeling of rejection: if they could drop him on a days notice was he really needed? He'll just have to be honest with himself about that but he will just have to get over that himself.

    Luckily for him, that'll probably be an easy thing to deal with, because he resigned from a position as a system administrator.

    Chances are, he's going to get a phone call sometime in the next few weeks asking him for some key piece of knowledge they didn't even know they needed. It may even be something he explained to them numerous times but they just ignored. At which point, he can respond in one of three ways, any of which will soothe the pain of rejection quite adequately:

    1. Just give 'em the information. Knowing they asked means you have the last laugh, so why rub it in?
    2. "I'm sorry, what company did you say you're with? Hmm, no, as a matter of fact that doesn't ring a bell at all. And you're sure I worked there? Recently, you say? Why, that's remarkable."
    3. "Your e-mail address is still $foo, right? Ah, OK, good. I'm sending you an e-mail with my rate card right now."
  28. Re:Just drop off the key's, Lee... by moro_666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    best sabotage is to be inreplaceable at the moment when you leave... for example if you're the only person around who knows very deep details about an unique framework.

      sure they will finally (and they have to) find someone who can do the job. but as it takes a while, none can really ban your accounts or do anything weird like that, beacuse they still need your support about the open issues. if or not you support them is another question, as i will leave my job hopefully under good friendship and conditions, i will give them some support for a while.

      that's the state i'm currently in. i'm the only person around that really knows whats going on in our server, now i will have to support it for a while even after i leave (out of loyality, i will do it free for a while as long as it doesn't put any real pressure on me) and i will have to teach someone where to start learning the whole business.

      i'm going to switch jobs because my current job doesn't really offer me any real chance to evolve nor any chances to make a longlasting career. i feel like i'm sitting duck on an old framework with old ideas for too long. the rest of the world is moving on and i'm not gonna sit here and wait until i'm an old crappled dude who knows only technologies that are 10 years old.

      sitting duck in knowledge & not knowing if you're going to have the job even after 1-2 years is a really bad idea. (would you hire someone that knows msdos, win 3.1 & basic ? i guess not, neither would i.)

      i hope my boss has sit down when i'm going to tell him about this (no, he is not going to like it). and i hope he'll be reasonable while discussing my terms of leave. and luckily, i am the bloody administrator, so he can't disable my accoutns without my help anyway ...

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  29. Broken Policy by Effugas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From a security standpoint, the resignation standpoint appears flawed. The resigner has full control of when he delivers the information, so he can simply delay his announcement until he's completed his malicious activity. It would take a very stupid attacker to steal materials _after_ providing notice.

    But empirically, it may very well be that there are some very stupid attackers.

  30. Re:it's not a professional or civilized world by yason · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It's not only IT, any professional job they hit you in the arse with the door the moment you resign. most companies have way too much sensitive or percieved sensitive information they they becom instantly paranoid about the second you announce you are becoming an "OUTSIDER".

    This is flawed thinking by the companies. The formal letter of resignation changes nothing since the employee is the one who will decide when to resign. The employee has already retired in his mind days or weeks before that.

    If he is evil, the timebombs are already set up on the servers, the company data is already harvested, copied and distributed out of the building and the letter of resignation comes last. If he's not and his accounts and access rights are removed, he won't -- probably contrary to his expectations -- be able to properly finish off his work, document everything for the successor and clean up any irrelevant stuff like temporary and personal files. The next employee will step into a mess, and this is all bad for the company.

  31. Re:What did you expect? by Muhammar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once, I made mistake of telling my boss that he needed to look for my replacement. (We were all working nights and weekend through, for more than 5 months without letoff - and I did not want to let others down by quiting suddenly.) My boss was instructed by his superiors to make me to put it into writinge - "so that they can officialy start interviewing for my position". On Friday afterneoon I wrote a note that I intended to quit in about 4-6 weeks. The next Monday morning my keycard would not work. A guard + an HR doofus were waiting for me, with a box prepared. The argument was that I "might try" to hire away some other employees. That's why they "shifted forward" my own resignation date. I wrote few letters and suddenly I found a check worth extra 2 months. HR from headquarters called me and explained that they "overpaid me by accident but they did not want me to return the money."

    (Btw. I just learned that they are now going out of business.)

    So the professional way is: 1) Call your boss home, Saturday noon, that you are leaving next Monday. (So that he will have time to calm down). 2) On Monday morning, bring a cake and orange juice with you. While others are running around looking very stressed, offer them something sweet and tell them that you are really going to miss them.

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  32. Re:What did you expect? by IngramJames · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry, but if I wrote it, its MINE. Copyright law is clear on that. Its copyright ME the minute I write it. No notice necessary. Law trumps policy.

    if someone sent it to me, it's MINE.


    That only applies to your own, personal email account and documents you write using your personal equipment on your personal time. Companies also have legal rights, and while you're sitting at your desk using company equipment, you are part of the company. In the same way that if an employee of a company writes you an email from a company email account and they slander you, you sue the company - not the individual. That email was the company's email. Not the employee's.

    If you are referring to the code you write, then the same applies. If it didn't, then vast swathes of MS source code would be open now, as any employee who left the company would be able to release anything they wrote into the PD.

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  33. The other approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was made redundant a few years ago after working for a firm for 13 years. Under employment law, they were required to give me 14 weeks' notice.

    Now, while a lot of the other guys who'd been let go at the same time were immediately put on gardening leave, I was required to carry on until week 10. In week 6, I found myself alone in the computer room of one of their customers, a major international airport, fixing a fault in the ground lighting control system with full root privileges etc.

    I was peed off at still being working while the other guys had been paid off, but was profoundly appreciative of the implied judgement of my personal integrity. I was bitter about being made redundant, but we took a mature view on both sides.

    As I left on my last day, I wiped my feet on the way out.

  34. Not so in Europe by Aceticon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most certain not in Holland.

    Around here, leaving usually means a 1 month notice period, and in all the places i worked in, people always work until the last day except if having have some vacation days left and wanting to take them (non-used vacation days are redeemed for money when one leaves).

    Even more important, in the vast majority of places i've worked in the company will do a goodbye party for you.

    In my last position, even though i now work as a freelancer, after i decided i wasn't going to accept anymore extensions to my contract and on my last day in, they still did a goodbye party for me and gave me a bottle of Cognac as a goodbye present.

    I've seen it happen for others, so i ain't been getting goodbye parties 'cause they're happy that I am leaving ;)

    Reading above that what happened to the OI is a "usual" behaviour and part of the POF just makes me want to ask - "What the fuck kind of sick employer-employee relation do you guys have there?"

  35. If anything... by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...this article suggests you should give one month's notice. If they terminate you immediately, at least you're in a stronger position to negotiate for your "last month's" pay... Of course, if they're doing it because they hate you then you might just get told to piss off.

    Yeah, employers are not loyal to employees. He is totally right... The attitude that corporations have towards employees, and especially "IT" employees leaves much to be desired.

    I'll say it again in case the middle managers can't hear me: Nobody will show you any loyalty until you show us some. You can't expect someone who has been laid off due to others' incompetence more than once to suddenly get all gung ho about a company he's worked at for a short time without a significant commitment on the company's part. Want to pitch the low-ball? Just remember that you're chipping away at that new relationship with every thing that you expect somebody to "swallow." Low-pay and bad leadership are the most frequently cited reasons in our exit-interviews--if you also later cut benefits or take away holidays or forfeiting vacation days unused on December 31.

    Every little chip at the wall weakens it a little. Every chink in the armor can be exploited--by crapping on employees so mercilessly, in the end, you sour your own prospects for prosperity. Employees aren't a disease to be eradicated, they're team members whose skills must be cultivated.

    --
    Who did what now?
  36. Plan Ahead by Denagoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The "two weeks notice" rule is a polite tradition that only employees are following. I have seen companies fire someone at 4 PM on a Friday, confiscate their laptop, and escort them from the building. Indeed, one popular belief is that this is the best way to terminate an employee because it minimizes the company's risk from the any actions that the employee make take.

    In today's era of disappearing pension plans, Enron-style scandals, and myopic focus on productivity and profit, it is important to remember that the company - and by extension, all personnel within the company - are out to protect their interests first. In essence, corporate loyalty is a one-sided myth that companies promote to serve their own purposes. So here are some of my general thoughts on the resignation process:

    1. Don't tell anyone that you're interviewing for another job (your manager may terminate you just for looking).

    2. Don't tell anyone that you've accepted another job (since the offer could fall through at the last minute). If the new company wants references, use previous employers, customers, or close co-workers, but not your manager.

    3. Negotiate your transition date with the new company on your terms - plan for some time off between jobs if you'd like.

    4. Transfer all data and material from your laptop to storage at home. Sanitize the laptop as necessary. Wiping the entire drive and turning it in sans bootable OS is perfectly acceptable in my book.

    5. If you aren't leaving just for more money, but are truly disappointed in the lack of vision and direction within the company, felt you were poorly managed, or are leaving for ethical concerns, draft a letter to the President / CEO (regardless of who your boss is) explaining why you are resigning. You only get two opportunities in life to tell the CEO of a company the unvarnished truth: (a) When you resign, and (b) When you win the lottery.

    6. Once you're satisifed that your data is safe and that you've got a solid new job to move into with another company, decide on your notification strategy:

          - Two weeks notice: Inform your manager and then sit at home and play games or read some good books at work (accompanied by long lunches until they confiscate your corporate credit card).

          - 24-48 hrs notice: Inform your manager you'll be gone in two days and tell him (sincerely) best wishes for the future.

    7. Submit your resignation paperwork and fire off the letter discussed in #5 above to the CEO / President.

    Good luck!

  37. Re:What did you expect? by chunews · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Well written! (Sorry, I'm not a moderator so I can't mod you up any). To share my very similar case: I recently left a very large financial institution, and on very good terms. I gave 3 weeks notice, which reflected the position, responsibility, and trust I had built up over the 5+ years at the company.

    We were able to work all sorts of things out, just as if we were negotiating for a new-hire. For example, I asked my Vacation time to be extended "on book" so I wouldn't have the possible tax implication of receiving a lump-sum final payout of unused vacation days; this also let me carry forward health benefits until my new job started, I worked diligently until the very last day, they threw me a party.

    And the company would hire me back in an instant, with no hesitation.

  38. Re:What did you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Be careful. There is a similar law in Virginia, but there is a distinct difference between a 'reference' and a 'past employer'. In Virginia, past employers are only allowed to answer two questions: Did this person work for you? and Would you rehire them? If someone is designated a reference-personal, professional, past employer, mailman, whatever-they can answer ANY question posed to them.

    There was an incident at a retail shop I worked at in high school (15 years ago) where a former employee put the manager of the store she resigned from as a 'reference' on her resume. This employee was far from being a model for the company and was actually very close to being fired at the time she quit. The hiring manager where she was applying for a new job called her previous manager/reference and was told all the lovely things she did for our company (sarcasm intended). She sued, and the case was dismissed because she identified her former manager as a reference and was therefor not bound by the two question rule.

    Oh and I agree with the first poster to this article. You should be completely ready to go the instant you hand your resignation to your supervisor. All your data backed up, all your passwords and such ready to hand over, yadda-yadda-yadda. You should also have KNOWN the policies for separation if you worked for the company for any length of time. I'm sure you weren't the first person to resign/quit the department during your tenure? Part of being a 'professional' is doing your homework!

  39. Two weeks notice is a double standard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If the situation was reversed, your employer would not be so courteous. If they were going to let you go, they wouldn't let you know two weeks ahead of time. They would do it immediately. Sure, you MAY get some measly severence pay, but what happens when it runs out? Unemployement is usually less than 50% of your take home pay. Plus, you must start paying for your own health insurance which is not cheap.
    Above all, we all know that it is more difficult to find a decent job when unemployed. Businesses look at the unemployed as defective regardless the circumstances. Someone with a job is a proven commodity. And, that's all you are to an employer, a commodity.
    So just be happy with the way things turned out.

  40. Re:What did you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm assuming that happend in the USA.

    The poor employee protection in the US is one of the reasons that I'd be extrememly cautious about accepting a job in the US. While i'm sure most employers are decent, I won't always know that before I start work.

    My current contract (I'm full time) in the UK requires me to give 1 months notice, and the company I believe is also requried to give me 1 months (it might be just 2 weeks, not sure the amount of time increases with service time) notice. The only time I could be just "fired" on the spot would be for cause, i.e. I'd stolen something, attacked someone or something else sufficiently serious to warrant immediate dismissal.

    If a company had tried what they did here to the lady you mentioned they'd have been in serious troulble.

    As to leaving professionally... no one has ever been escorted out of the building here when they resigned. The only time I have heard of that happening was when someone was fired for cause, and that was before my time.

    Should I resign from this company at any time... I'd expect to be working in the office until the last day. I consider that professional because since they are paying me, I should be working.

  41. Re:What did you expect? by Mr_Perl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Frankly, contractors are all in it for themselves by the nature of the relationship, as is the company, but only the stupid ones would do anything that negatively impacts the company they are working for.

    In many years of contracting I've always found it better to consider the impact on the company (price expectations, etc) as a factor in every job, and this has been rewarding in that when the company does well, I do well and continue to get to work with people that I enjoy a positive working relationship with.

    I do avoid working for project managers with hostile outlooks though. Some managers are just unreasonable (wishing to exploit you as if you were slave labor) and not worth it. They are very easy to spot at the start for the most part.

    A few of these are justifiably pessimistic, having been taken advantage of previously, these types are usually ok once they see you have the right work ethic, etc.

    --

    My poetry site welcomes the unusual.
  42. Re:What did you expect? by fredbox · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I used to be a janitor. The server used to be left logged in as root. But they weren't looking for extra accounts with uid 0 anyway.

    There are janitors who know about 'rm -rf /', but that's about as obvious as a sledgehammer. Anyway, the end result ended up being that anytime anyone at that facility had an issue, they had me fix it rather than have to go thru the help desk. Of course I couldn't get a computer job anywhere, because I was a janitor. Eventually a member of the local old-boy network took pity on me and gave me a desktop support job, eventually I finished my degree, and now get paid by the government to have contractors do all my work for me.

    Anyway, there's a lot more janitors running home qmail-LDAP servers on freebsd than you may know about.

    --
    His name was Robert Paulsen.