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Five Reasons Why Web 2.0 Matters

jg21 writes "Dion Hinchcliffe, who is becoming the closest thing outside of Tim O'Reilly to being a Web.2.0 popularizer and evangelist, has summarized what he considers to be the five major benefits of Web 2.0 best practices. Hinchcliffe singles out the tactical potential of aligning with Web 2.0's increasingly ballistic trajectory: 'You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization.'"

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  1. Why Hype 2.0 Doesn't Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because it's still just hype. Why was this even posted?

    1. Re:Why Hype 2.0 Doesn't Matter by dg41 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Damn, this article trips my "Business-speak Bullshit"-o-meter bad.

      Best Practices
      Feng Shui
      Ballistic Trajectory

      Jeez, might as well call it synergistic.

    2. Re:Why Hype 2.0 Doesn't Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You don't have any idea what your talking about. Web 2.0 is poised to expedite e-business platforms and mesh sticky supply-chains with integrated transparent interfaces that transform visionary markets. Through iterating one-to-one paradigms, it revolutionize cross-media mindshare.

  2. This is news to me by Malc · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I've been spending a lot of time lately with folks around the mid-Atlantic region and talking to them about Web 2.0."

    Firstly that there are a lot of people on Ascension Island. Secondly that there are a lot of web type people there!

    Maybe he was referring to the Azores...

  3. Since TFA leaves out an important detail. . . by Limburgher · · Score: 5, Informative

    See this if you're confused.

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    1. Re:Since TFA leaves out an important detail. . . by luvirini · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same type of audience who like all the buzzwords he uses.

    2. Re:Since TFA leaves out an important detail. . . by Soybean47 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So... just to clarify... "Web 2.0" is a new-ish buzzword, referring to an arbitrary stage in the natural evolution of web technology? And... you can tell which version of the web your page belongs to, primarily by measuring its level of dynamicness?*

      *I don't know if it's a word, but if not... give it time.

  4. The chains have been broken by peterdaly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Web 1.0 - Documents
    Web 1.5 - Documents + Web Applications that pretend to be documents
    Web 2.0 - Documents + Web applications acting like the interactive applications they are

    Web applications are now free from the "static document" paradigm that previous chained them down. The web is no longer pretending to be static. That's not to say Web 2.0 is "mature" by any means, but the groundwork as certainly been laid.

    BTW - There are a bunch of concepts and methods here that truly are revolutionary. The more I use it and understand what it means, the more I think Web 2.0 is not a bad name, and may even be justified.

    -Pete

    1. Re:The chains have been broken by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just don't abuse it. There's nothing I hate more than people implementing stuff like AJAX where it isn't even needed. I run an auction site. This interactive stuff isn't necessary for such a site or service. Yet, of course, there are plenty of people who will think web2.0/AJAX type stuff is absolutely necessary for everything under the sun.

      I doubt I'll ever use it, because I just don't have the kind of time to dedicate to learning everything involved to do it (especially since that isn't what I do for a living and I wouldn't use it in my own site).

      Frankly, I kind of prefer a more static web anyway. I don't want everythign to behave like a locally installed application. Loading another page or refreshing won't kill me.

  5. Blah, blah, blah by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's how I sumamrize this article. There's not a single nugget of real information in this article. It's a lot of marketing, blogging bullshit, which quite honestly, doesn't mean anything. "synergy" and "critical mass" and "collective intelligence" are just buzzwords with as much meaning as "Web 2.0".

    1. Re:Blah, blah, blah by Otter · · Score: 3, Insightful
      My favorite is point 5: "Web 2.0 Has A Ballistic Trajectory"

      I mean, it's undoubtedly true but I think he's severely confused about what it means.

    2. Re:Blah, blah, blah by gg3po · · Score: 4, Funny
      There's not a single nugget of real information in this article.

      I, on the other hand, found the article easily comphrehensible. In fact, it's pretty obvious to me that all Web 2.0 really needs is to leverage the repurposing of synergistic, best-of-breed e-markets into more scalable, cross-platform action-items, allowing us to harness the power of the aggregation of one-to-one metrics in a way that will simultaneously optimize and extend several world-class, out-of-the-box web-readiness initiatives and give us the disintermediated mindshare we're all after. What could be easier?

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  6. What the hell is Web 2.0? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once you find out, you'll realize it's just a bunch of "synergistic ideas."

  7. No trolls?! by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Web 2.0 fundamentally revolves around us and seeks to ensure that we engage ourselves, participate and collaborate together, and mutually trust and enrich each other, even though we could be separated by the entire world geographically. And Web 2.0 gives us very specific techniques to do this and attempts to address the "people problem" directly.

    Sweet! It gets rid of trolls, uneducated users, and the typical "Dumbass Element" that prevails on the Internet?

    No? Oh, then Web 2.0 sucks just as much as "Web 1.0".

  8. Marketing Hype by sglane81 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTFA:
    It's when software developers naively use technology to try to solve our problems instead of addressing the underlying issues that people are actually facing.

    This is nothing more than marketing hype. First step in marketing hype is to identify with your audience so they feel you're one of them.

    Why does this matter? It has to do with critical mass and synergy, two vital value creation forces.

    Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

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  9. My broswer's not working... by Errandboy+of+Doom · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Focus of Technology Moves To People With Web 2.0. One of the lessons the software industry relearns every generation is that it's always a people problem. It's not that people are the actual problem of course. It's when software developers naively use technology to try to solve our problems instead of addressing the underlying issues that people are actually facing. Then the wrong things inevitably happen...

    Or does someone have a link that's translated from PR bullshit to English?

  10. The real 5 reasons by winkydink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real 5 reasons why Web 2.0 matters:

    1. VCs can make a ton of money
    2. People with MBAs who know nothing about technology can make a ton of money
    3. VCs can make a ton of money
    4. People with MBAs who know nothing about technology can make a ton of money
    5. VCs can make a ton of money

    The average Joe will get stuck holding stock in companies with AJAX-enabled web sites for pet food sales. Joe's rationale will be the result of all of the hype he read about Web 2.0.
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  11. Paul Graham by hobotron · · Score: 5, Interesting


    has a better 'Web 2.0' summary that I prefer. http://www.paulgraham.com/web20.html/

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  12. Sweet lord, bullshit bingo does not make you smart by Ckwop · · Score: 3, Funny

    "You can use the leviathan forces of attention and enthusiasm that are swirling around Web 2.0 these days as a powerful enabler to make something important and exciting happen in your organization."

    So in otherwords, you can use new ideas to make your business applications better. Well no shit sherlock!

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need to take our language back from the marketing people. We keep cramming more and more words in to a sentence while the real information content is falling. People, please, start using English rather than this marketing horse-shit. Language is about communciation and not obfuscation!

    Simon

  13. "Ballistic Trajectory" is NOT a good thing! by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK, I'm not a theoretical physicist, more of the practical variety (I shoot things). Assuming we're talking about things happening down here on the planet, the term "ballistic" is generally meant to suggest "propelled with an impulse, and not guided" (like a kicked football, or a bullet). The trajectory of such items usually involves:

    1) Slowing down
    2) Dropping (literally) like a rock

    That is not the mental image I'd like to paint of some exciting new IT initiative. Honestly. Might as well say, "We've got to get in on this now! Why, this technology's going postal!"

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  14. Paul Graham on Web 2.0 by putko · · Score: 4, Interesting
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  15. Re:Good but will it be adopted by rblum · · Score: 3, Informative

    You *are* aware that browser-related part of Web 2.0 is heavily built on top of AJAX, which uses XmlHttpRequest, which was *introduced* by Microsoft, right? FF was the one catching up....

  16. Re:Quick, get the Hype-ometer by talksinmaths · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...sweet zombie Jesus! It's reading over 40 mega-Ballmers!!!

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  17. Why Web 2.0 doesn't matter by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From the article:

    It has to do with critical mass and synergy, two vital value creation forces. Taken individually, Web 2.0 techniques like harnessing collective intelligence, radical decentralization, The Long Tail are quite powerful ... You need a core set of Web 2.0 techniques in order to be successful and then the value curve goes geometric. This is why the ROI of software built this way is so much greater. ... Using Web 2.0 you can build better software with less people, less money, less abstractions, less effort, and with this increase in constraints you get cleaner, more satisfying software as the result. And simpler software is invariably higher quality.

    Yeah, right.

    What really matters, if you're selling stuff on the web, is that people can 1) find what they want, 2) order it without much hassle, and 3) get what they ordered without delays or screwups. It's 2) and 3) that matter, because they determine repeat business. Serious retailers talk about the "abandoned shopping cart" ratio, or how many people started the process of buying something but never finished the transaction. One screwup in the fulfilment process usually loses the customer. Most profit is on repeat customers, remember.

    The "Web 2.0" stuff is mostly about the front end, the advertising/marketing part of the operation. That only matters in attracting first-time customers.

    In the end, all the "Web 2.0" stuff gives you roughly the capabilities Flash has now. If that was so great, we'd see more all-Flash sites.

  18. Heaping Steaming Piles of BS by Spinlock_1977 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where do these people come from?

    Web 2.0 - A term for the technically illiterate denoting the passage of time

    Best Practices - A term describing what the technically inept do to avoid getting fired

    Web 2.0 Best Practices - What the technically illitate ask the technically inept do to, giving rise to the world's worst, bug-ridden software.

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  19. Five Reasons Why Bathroom Tissue Matters by mlinksva · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. The Focus of Technology Moves To People With Bathroom Tissue.
    2. Bathroom Tissue Represents Best Practices.
    3. Bathroom Tissue Has Excellent Feng Shui.
    4. Quality Is Maximized, Waste Is Minimized.
    5. Bathroom Tissue Has A Ballistic Trajectory.

    Certainly there are other reasons why Bathroom Tissue is important and you're welcome to list them here, but I think this captures the central vision in a way that most anyone who craps can grasp and access.

    BTW, I will also use this moment to state that Bathroom Tissue is a terrible name for this new vision of paper-based people-centric product. Except that is for every other name we have at the moment (for example, like "next generation of the arsewipe"). So I will continue to use Bathroom Tissue until something better comes along.

    OK, don't agree? Please straighten me out. Why does bathroom tissue matter (or not) to you?

    Toilet paper anyone?