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Intel Calls $100 Laptops Undesired Gadgets

dolphinlover writes "Craig Barrett, Intel Corporation chairman believes that the $100 laptop computers to be manufactured by the MIT media lab run by Nicholas Negroponte beginning in early 2006 are merely 'gadgets', making them unattractive to consumers who will be disappointed by their 'limited range of programs'." From the article: "Negroponte said at their launch in November the new machines would be sold to governments for schoolchildren at $100 a device but the general public would have to pay around $200 -- still much cheaper than the machines using Intel's chips. But Barrett said similar schemes in the past elsewhere in the world had failed and users would not be satisfied with the new machine's limited range of programs."

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  1. Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "Bah. Humbug!", Barrett was heard to say.
    But Barrett said similar schemes in the past elsewhere in the world had failed and users would not be satisfied with the new machine's limited range of programs.
    Sounds like the Itanium, so I guess he should know.

    "It turns out what people are looking for is something is something that has the full functionality of a PC," he said. "Reprogrammable to run all the applications of a grown up PC... not dependent on servers in the sky to deliver content and capability to them, not dependent for hand cranks for power."
    Yeah and PDA and programmable cell phones would never sell.

    He said Intel was also expanding an IT teacher training scheme it says has already reached three million schoolteachers worldwide to Sri Lanka, and praised local projects aimed at producing computer literacy. Some 90 percent of Sri Lankans were literate but only 10 percent computer literate, he said.
    I think they call that the Save 10% off your next purchase of an Intel PC, forever locking you into our architecture plan.

    i wonder if powerhungry processors and the electric generators necessary to power them are the actual root of global warming.

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    1. Re:Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by mymaxx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some 90 percent of Sri Lankans were literate but only 10 percent computer literate, he said. Class, today we will be learning about Intel...(projector displays blue man group ad for intel)...

    2. Re:Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by paranode · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah and PDA and programmable cell phones would never sell.

      Not that he doesn't have a particular bias, but he's probably right in that these devices are not going to be laptops like most people think of them. Instead they're more like special-purpose hardware for special-purpose software, something like the PDA you mention only marketed as a laptop. That's not to say these won't have a place, because I do think they could very well serve the purpose for which they're being manufactured.

    3. Re:Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That's not to say these won't have a place, because I do think they could very well serve the purpose for which they're being manufactured.

      And as a matter of course, you may find developers catering to these little boxes, whether its some way to add new software, games, or cater to whatever browser is on them.

      Anything of which there are a million or more sounds like a market, no?

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    4. Re:Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by paranode · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey as long as it runs Linux, the children of the world can play Nethack. It brings a tear to my eye.

    5. Re:Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by Alien+Being · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I disagree with that they'll only used for special purposes. So what if they have limited power? They're infinitely more powerful than what was available before.

      When Tandy introduced the Model 100 with a z80 and about 32k ram, most people used them for the built in PDA, word processing and comms programs. But others found very unusual and creative ways to deploy them. In many ways, the fact that it was such a lightweight made it more valuable.

    6. Re:Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by dindi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well 800x600 is just fine for a lot of things...

      in fact 3 years ago I had a Vaio (I hav it now but it is dead) with that resolution, and I was carrying it to do work, and everywhere ....

      It was perfectly OK to have files with me, to run office aps, and a browser, and to connect to cisco and other appliances and run a term on it ...

      it was also fairly smaller than my current toshiba, that I am not carrying anymore as i consider it too big, too bloat, too expensive, to throw on a car seat and then drive on dirt roads and alike ...

      Actually I would be happy if someone sold a 800x600 laptop, with a small screen and I top it with what some might agree with :
      I do not need a color screen ... put 32 or 64 shades of gray or even less, and make it cheap, so if i drop it in the server room and it breaks I do not have to pay $500 for a damn color LCD ...

      1GB of flash is also killer anough for a lot of things .. OK my ipod has 4 :) but I also remember running linux in 94 on some beatup 386 with like 12megs of ram or so and a 650meg hdd (maybe even smaller) can't remember :)

    7. Re:Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do we keep using that phrase, "computer literate" when what we mean is "computer savy?" If we let ths poor analogy to be codified in the language, it will become that much more entrenched. As if understanding computers opens anywhere near the possibilites that being able to read does.

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    8. Re:Bah, Sayeth Scrooge by WuphonsReach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hey as long as it runs Linux, the children of the world can play Nethack. It brings a tear to my eye.

      You got modded "Funny", but as long as it can run Linux, I don't think there's going to be a shortage of software to run on it. And at $100 or so, that's less then what the original Palm devices sold for. Look how many applications were developed and written for the PalmOS.

      As long as we (the public) can purchase these in lots of 1 or 2, I suspect the manufacturers won't be able to meet demand.

      Barrett sounds like typical, Intel-style, sour-grapes. Something tells me that they're upset that these systems won't be based on over-priced Intel chips. (Or that, if they were involved, they got shunted to the side due to costs or licensing issues.)

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  2. Oh, what a surprise! by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The CEO of the company that makes product A, when he finds out that product B will be sold for much less than his, says that product B is no good. What a surprise!

    Next week: Bill Gates denounces its operating system.

    1. Re:Oh, what a surprise! by paranode · · Score: 4, Funny
      I'm surprised that you actually think people in North America are gonna give a flip about wether it's intel or AMD. Heck, all they care is that they're getting a $200 laptop!

      Well, until they see that the blue "e" is missing and they ask why "the Internet" isn't installed.

  3. IBM said nobody would want a PC by stankulp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Deja vu all over again.

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  4. Good News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Intel wouldn't make a hitch if it wouldn't feel at least a bit threatened by this gadget. So this might be good news for MIT people.

  5. Intel is just... by tradiuz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Intel is just afraid that people will come to realise that you dont need a $500+ processor to surf the web, and you can get by just fine with 4 year old technology.

    1. Re:Intel is just... by mlg9000 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Intel is just afraid that people will come to realise that you dont need a $500+ processor to surf the web, and you can get by just fine with 4 year old technology.
      Yeah but can you browse the web AND run all your spyware at the same time with a 4 year old processor? That's what your average home user does.
  6. Undesired if you used a Pentium 4 by GeoffSmith1981 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe Intel is just jealous because to hand-crank power a Pentium 4 laptop would take you a few hours.

  7. missing the point by joe+155 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought the whole point of these laptops was for people in far poorer countries who could not possibly hope to afford anything remotely as good as these anyway... I can hardly see people living in Brazilean shanty-towns saying "this laptop can't hash files fast enough"... Besides I'd buy one just because they sound impossible to destroy and it would be good to take to uni and have kicking around in my bag; I'd only need notepad anyway.

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  8. I'll buy one. by MikeFM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they're as good as they sound then I'd buy one. I think laptops today are rather stupid. To slow to do anything demanding power and yet hot, noisy, and power hungry. I'd rather have something light, quiet, with a long battery life that does the basics I need - web, email, im, ssh, light word processing, and light image manipulation. I'll be surprised if the $100 laptop can't handle those and more.

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  9. limited range of programs by 7macaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can only get finite-sized memory for $200 and therefore the range of programs is limited. For $2000 the amount of memory you get is... oh wait

  10. Duh, of course... by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, Intel is going to say that.

    Quite obviously, when you are going to be selling an entire computer at the price of their processors and motherboards, they're going to be pissed.

    Sure, I could use a dual athlon if I'm running the latest game or doing some serious number crunching - but for a user in an developing country with limited funds, the choice is definitely beneficial.

    Today's computers have a lot of crap that most users don't use - but they have them anyway. The idea of a computer is to be a tool - give those people a simple, straightforward system that a user can truly use in doing their job, and you'd have gone far.

    Of course, given the choice, companies like Intel would sell a $500 processor to a poor man who'd have no use for it. But that doesn't mean the idea itself is flawed. If anything, it's a nice way to help bring technology to the needy, and give them a chance.

    I've seen the use of some of these technologies (MIT's Michael Best does some work on e-development -- they've some really nice work) - and they truly are helpful. Just because it doesn't help Intel's bottom penny doesn't mean it's useless. Given time, I'm fairly certain that it would be proven so.

  11. Oh really? by iibbmm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    $200 for a laptop that I could slip into my backpack on a camping trip and not worry about battery life since I can hand crank it? Put me down for one. It would be perfect for logging camping trips, vacation abroad, ebooks on a plane, etc etc. So what if it's not the most powerfull thing in the world. Open source and the very nature of the product SCREAM oodles of programs and potential. I'm reminded why I haven't found myself removing the shrinkwrap from an intel box lately.

  12. Racism? by NotoriousGOD · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think someone should change the name "Negroponte" to something more politically correct. Like "Africanamericanponte".

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  13. Re:There's probably some truth to this by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good lord, is there always an idiot who has to come up with these comments on all articles related to technology?

    Seriously - stop and think for a moment. Technology has definite uses. And it's what's keeping us the edge over one another.

    Even if you are a farmer, being able to predict the rains, know about prices, fertilizers and the like helps. In the past (late 70s/80s, I think), in some parts of the south, India had a programme to help fishermen be informed about storms and the like by having a special radio channel that broadcast such information. They gave all the fishermen free transistor radios and told them to use it - and guess what? Several lives were saved, productivity increased and people in general were happy. And some started using their system for other purposes, like listening to alternate channels - because it's enough if there is one fisherman who knew what was going on. A whole system was developed within the community to this end, and everything improved as a whole - people were coordinating the whole process, resulting in much better productivity. It had benefits that the original creators did not even see.

    There are always more pressing needs, and the only way you are going to take care of those needs is by making them self sufficient. This is a tool to that end.

    You cannot forsee or predict how these tools will be used. But the only way to find out is to develop the tool and see how far it goes. Sure, it might be an absolute failure - but you would have tried, and you would have learnt.

    Better than not doing anything, IMHO.

  14. From the FAQ by rhoder · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://laptop.media.mit.edu/faq.html

    WiFi-enabled
    "USB ports galore".
    Its current specifications are: 500MHz, 1GB, 1 Megapixel.

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  15. Re:what does it really DO? by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have you seen MIT Media Lab's work towards helping kids? They've tonnes of toys and other material that are aimed at learning, primarily constructionist in nature.

    It has been well proven that constructionist learning goes a long way towards building analytical and engineering related skills - while it may not be the only thing towards that end, it definitely helps.

    Now, for a constructionist learning environment, you need tools that they can experiment with. What better way to do this than computers? However, a $2000 computer for a kid is quite obviously not a good idea, so MIT went ahead and developed a cheaper alternative.

    Do you know why they can be networked? Because one of the fundamental needs behind education is to have some means of collaboration and team work. Do you know why they have tonnes of USB ports? So that they can be extended upon - a lot of MIT's toys (such as Flow Blocks) are toys that interface with the computers. It's important for folks to be able to add on to these computers, and build new things - whether it's for a farmer in a developing nation using it for weather prediction or whether it's a kid who's adding stuff for class.

    Simply because you are ignorant and cannot comprehend the need for this does not mean it's useless. But go ahead, though - am sure you know a whole lot more about educational technology than all those fine folks who've spent years doing this stuff for a living.

  16. The Single Biggest Step Up by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The single biggest step up is from no computer to a computer. It's all diminishing returns after that.

    (P.S. The same thing applies with printers.)

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  17. He's right! by lheal · · Score: 4, Funny

    I believe that there's need for maybe 5 inexpensive laptops in the world.

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  18. Re:There's probably some truth to this by Hosiah · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm all for giving poor and developing nations access to this kind of technology but the fact remains that there are more pressing needs for these folks.

    Well, MIT doesn't grow corn. They don't research AIDS cures. Other people are doing these things. MIT is helping the best way MIT can. MIT helps by building you a computer.

    Amazing...MIT would be drawing 100% less criticism right now if they'd simply sat on their hands and done *nothing*. Why is it to get rotten egged off the podium in this world, all you have to do is volunteer to help?

  19. Re:There's probably some truth to this by udderly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The easiest things in the world to be are a critic and a cynic, and yet many of us wear it like it's a badge of honor.

  20. Re:Well if they accepted Apple's OS ... by hypnagogue · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well if they accepted Apple's OS then they would have a wide range of programs.
    As a daily user of both MacOS and Linux, I find your comment confusing. My Mac came with a browser, email, IM client, music manager, photo manager, a great compiler suite and some cut rate media production tools deliberately designed to upsell customers to their $1000+ product line.

    My linux distro all that and an office suite, educational software, graphics editing (vector and raster), desktop publishing, and a great compiler suite that just happens to be the same one as above, except newer. Oh yes, and the source code to every single program on the box. Were the programs "first tier"? Well, some less than others -- but they were at least there to use.

    It's truly baffling that you can buy a $2000 Mac and not even end up with a basic word processing program or spreadsheet on it -- especially when that software can be had for free. Owning a Mac is like a owning a Jeep -- pay once to own it, then pay continuously to use it.

    Apple's OS has no business anywhere near this project -- it's a gloriously decorated desktop operating system designed for people that can justify paying thousands of dollars for a photo editing program. Id est no one outside of California. I certainly can't afford it -- I had to fink my way to a fully functional desktop box since the missus wouldn't switch from Linux without the equivalent of Open Office, Scribus, The GIMP and Inkscape. The "first tier" commercial equivalents of those programs would have cost me significantly more than the computer itself.
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  21. Obligatory by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just a matter of time before some opportunist does thus:

    My name is Ebou Nogamono and I need your help in retrieving 14,732 gold coins from Croesus' Vault...

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  22. Re:Later he was overheard saying.. by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Bill Gates never said that.

    That is what you say. However, there was an mpeg of him saying it readily available from most OS/2 BBSes. I am sure someone has a copy.

    Don't forget, when he said that, no one, not even Bill, could afford 640k. Early PCs shipped with 64k.

    Before the PC, we bought computers with 4k! (Yeah, OK, that was words, because bytes were not invented, so 8K really.) I dont mean home computers, I mean machines like the PDP8, DG Nova, TI 990, HP 1000 and their many competitors. Really - the standard programming environment was "4k Fortran". AND the software that ran on those machines could PAY FOR THE MACHINE IN A WEEK!

    Slightly later than the above senario (approx 1980), My mother (also a programmer) bought a house with 8 bedrooms in Islington (Where Tony Blair lives) for the same money my employers paid for a PDP11/60 with 1/2 MB of RAM, and two 40MB disk drives. (About the same power as a 386, but still able to support 12 users well.)

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  23. Re:There's probably some truth to this by grcumb · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Why is it to get rotten egged off the podium in this world, all you have to do is volunteer to help?"

    Amen to that. As someone who works full time in a place that has been designated by the UN as a Least Developed Country, I have to say that this absurd, simplistic logic which decrees that food shortages can only be addressed by food makes me grind my teeth with frustration.

    Scenario: A child has a boil in his nostril that's gone septic and is spreading into his sinuses and putting pressure on the brain, there are no doctors within 80 miles. How does the poorly trained but well-intentioned nurse get a proper diagnosis, and if necessary the authorisation to fly the child to the district hospital if communications and resource materials are not available?

    Answer: She doesn't, and the child dies. From a boil. This really happened; that child was the eldest boy of a friend of mine.

    The country where I work is limited in its development for three major reasons: Education, Health and Infrastructure. In terms of communications, there are some villages here that have waited for over 23 years to get phone service. The national telecom infrastructure relies on microwave transmission equipment so old that replacement parts are no longer available. Introducing simple devices capable of creating ad hoc mesh networks automatically would be an absolute godsend.

    Just in case anyone has missed the message here: Improved communications, through low-cost devices such as this, save lives. They do so more effectively than any bag of flour or rice could do.

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