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Law Requires Italian Web Cafes to Record ID

Armadni General writes "CNN is reporting that a new Italian law requires that all businesses offering public internet access, such as web cafes, to identify and record all customers. While supporters of this law trumpet its anti-terrorism potential, still others see no such advantage and bemoan this invasion of personal privacy. 'They must be able, if necessary, to track the sites visited by their clients. [...] Contents of people's e-mail is, however, supposed to remain private and can only be made available to law enforcement through a court order. Italy also obliges telecommunications companies to keep traffic data and European ministers agreed last week to require the carriers to retain records of calls and e-mails for a maximum of two years. The European Parliament's two largest groups endorsed the data retention initiative on Wednesday despite complaints from privacy advocates and telecoms, and the full body is expected to adopt a bill next week.'"

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  1. Even Orwell would be shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    First off, I realy think the proposal of the EU minister would have
    merrited a /. article on its own.
    It's such a broad assault on the privacy of European citizens that I
    don't think there is anything comparable in European history, yet, for
    most people who only follow the mainstream press, it's an absolute
    non-story. There is close to no coverage at all.

    To spell it out again, information about all your telephone calls (that
    is, for example, who you called and when), all your email (that is whom
    did you write to and when) and all the websites you visited will be
    recorded and stored for at least 6 months and up to 24 months.

    As to who will be able to use this information, this is of course left
    very vague and surprise, surprise, the music industry is already
    lobbying to have access to this data.

    Really, this proposal that will probably make it through the parliament
    will change Europe in a very, very worrying way and nobody seems to be
    upset about it. It's frustrating and scary.

    P.S.:
    I just read on spiegel online (a german news site), that the Italian law
    leads to a lot of web cafes closing their door, because customers are
    not willing to take this bs.

    1. Re:Even Orwell would be shocked by Bj�rn · · Score: 3, Informative
      Not only will who and when you called be registered but also your geographical location, when using a mobile phone. And SMS traffic will also be registered.

      The latests news concerning the data retention proposal is that the Council approached the group leaders of the two party organizations, EPP and PSE and made a compromise. In all important aspects the accepted compromise is just what proponents of data retention want. One nasty aspect of this compromise is that Alexander Alvararo, a German liberal and formal representative of the European Parliament in this question, wasn't allowed to participate in the meeting. His comment; " they ripped us off". Also the compromise promptly gets rid off the amendments to limit the damage to human rights and privacy, that the LIBRE comity had been working on. What this means is that the it looks like the advocates of data retention will get 468 votes of 732.

      Oh, and data retention can be used against any crime on the European arrest warrant. This includes racism, corruption, file sharing, piracy, etc...

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  2. Same in France :-( by Exaton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Alas ! That the same thing was voted in France a couple weeks ago...

    Bah, our Minister of the Interior, Nicolas Sarkozy, is best buds with the Bush administration, so what can a guy do ? :-(

  3. Italian bureacracy by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember a few years back in the dial-up days trying to get net access in Italy, it took a whole lot of documents and bureaucracy, we had to get a friend who was a real resident to put it under his name. I don't think you can do anything in that country without atleast having some kind of passport or ID photocopied and stamped.

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    1. Re:Italian bureacracy by mbaciarello · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know what ISP you were trying to sign up for, or when, but at present they require a billing address and so-called "codice fiscale," fiscal code, which is a code constructed from your name, place and date of birth. It's a univocal identifier for every citizen, and is usually required for billing purposes.

      Sometimes citizenship/legal residence is (inadvertently?) required for even the most trivial tasks in many places. Try reloading a Cingular pre-paid phone over the phone: if your credit card's billing address is not in the US, it won't work. And the operators will helpfully suggest you get an American credit card to work around the problem...

  4. European Parliament Data Retention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Link to the actual proposal scheduled for final approval on december 14
    http://www.europarl.eu.int/oeil/file.jsp?id=527503 2

  5. Computer Authentication by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Informative
    why aren't they stepping up and doing something more effective, such as a computer login or swipecard?

    Well it may come to that. When on vacation in Spain and Austria I noticed a variety of billing methods for net labs. The most common was 'quisiera usar Internet' - 'bien, usa ordenador numero ocho'. and settle payment when you left. (Sorry if my Spanish is wrong!) Some did make you pay upfront for half hour blocks with a temporary login and password. (Printed out on a POS docket). Others were timed with a coin slot.

    That was mainly net access in pay by the hour computer labs. Whilst there wasn't any ID check it's not too far removed.

    For actual cafes, whose main revenue is food and drink the following scenario might apply: Some multinational coffee chains already have membership swipe cards that allow for rewards such as a free coffee after every umpteenth purchase. Every time you buy coffee and a muffin you might get, say, 15 mins free net access -forcing you to go back for more food to extend your time. Premium members might pay for credits in advance. Beats sticking a coin in a slot every 10 minutes.

  6. Re:PGP is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, the upcoming EU directive and the Italian law cover that. They are not asking for the data, only the connection metadata (sender/recipient, time of login, IP address, etc). When you receive mail from a suspected terrorist, it makes you a suspect too. Encrypt that.

  7. Part of a coordinated assault on privacy... by pieterh · · Score: 4, Informative

    First, the "Big Brother" directive being forced through the EU which mandates logging of all end-points used in communications.

    Second, the elimination of anonymous access, via cybercafes and pre-paid phone cards. This closes the present loopholes in the implementation of Big Brother.

    Third, the creation of EU-wide databases that are accessible to police forces before criminal acts occur. Yes, this data will be abused, sold, stolen, leaked. It always happens.

    Forth, the creation of new types of "crime". See the French proposal to outlaw free software, proposals to criminalise patent infringement, etc.

    Fifth, the creation of EU juduicial and police structures to enforce these crimes. See EPO tribunals, EU arrest warrant, extradition for crimes like "piracy", etc.

    Interesting to note that all references to "terrorism" were removed from the compromise ammendments that will be voted on Wednesday. This wave of anti-privacy legislation has nothing to do with terrorism (that was just the stick) and everything to do with autocrats in business and in government that feel they have lost control of new technology and will do anything to regain it.

    The real targets of these laws are downloaders, tax evaders, petty and less petty crooks... it'd be justified if the EU was sinking in a sea of crime, but since crime rates have been falling year on year...

    Europe's privacy advocates are rightly worried. It is the sheer speed of the assault (all happening in a few months) that has left most of us staggered. No time to lobby, no time to mount a resistance, almost no time even for journalists to notice what's happening.

    Lastly, and most worryingly for EU citizens, is the way criminal law and new definitions of crime are being created by the unelected Council and Commission burocracy - these groups have basically coerced the European Parliament into accepting "compromises" or being left out of the legislative process completely.

    In other words... we cannot vote these laws away. There is no mechanism for appeal. There is no supreme court. There is no constitution. When French and Dutch voters threw out the consitution, they threw out a last chance for European democracy. If only they had known...

    1. Re:Part of a coordinated assault on privacy... by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 4, Informative

      The single greatest danger to democracy is as you point out the unelected Council and Commission burocracy, which is a cancer in the EU system. Our national politicians don't want to touch the problem because it reveals how powerless they are, instead they try to gloss it over and pass the directive as silently as possible.

      Actually, I think they rather like it. Our UK government tried to get the data retention laws through our Parliament, but they were rejected. No problem! Instead they laundered them through the European Commission, and when they come back they "have to be" enacted because "it's an EU directive". This is the reason why there's such urgency to this matter: the UK needs to get them through while they hold the presidency of the EU, but that ends early next year and moves on to (is it Austria or Finland -- anyway they won't be so keen on these laws).

      Rich.

  8. Re:as an italian... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just curious here. What happens if you plug a memory stick into the net cafe PC and run linux on an emu?

    Most internet cafes I've patronized didn't allow you to run anything other than their own programs, namely an account manager or activator, a web browser, email client, and IMs, as well as online games that were pre-installed by the owners. The machines also won't boot a removable media, and the bios is passworded. I've even known a web cafe where all the machines ran a watchdog, and an alarm would ring if you tried to fuck around with one of them.

    As for using a laptop, I suppose they would just require you to use their web proxy.

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  9. Re:as an italian... by mbaciarello · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's been on the news for months. The proposed bill, announced July 27, has actually been enacted as an executive provision ("decreto ministeriale," ministerial decree) by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It's now awaiting ratification by Parliament, which is required to make it an official law. It will expire if it's not voted on, or rejected. It's been called "decreto Pisanu," from the name of the signing Minister, since late August.

    Next time, as an Italian, try reading papers or web daily Punto Informatico. The third story is about cafés being raided and closed in Florence for several criminal offences. Some of them have been shut down for 5 days because of violations of "decreto Pisanu," as further proof that this idiotic law is already being enacted.

    What is, to me, the worst part has not been mentioned in the /. blurb. The wording in the law, apparently, makes ID recording mandatory for public WiFi access, as well, independent of the nature of the service - be it paid for, free of charge/public, or a city-wide municipal network. This may very well kill the stuttering penetration of commercial and public WiFi in Italy. Who's going to pay for the guy in charge of checking the validity of, and registering ID for people who want to connect to the library's free wireless network? Or just think of the lines to get registered for the airport's network...

  10. Sucks to be british by Lifewish · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sadly, in the UK, we have a nice little law (with lots of nice little holes in it) that basically says "give us your password. And your private key. And any session keys you may have used. What, you don't have that information any more? OK, see you in two years when you get out of jail". Fun.

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  11. New policies? Not really.. by igrigorik · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I was backpacking through Italy this summer I was suprised to find the aformentioned policies (or parts of them) in place and in use in every internet cafe I stopped in. They always checked my ID and some even asked me to see my passport. Now, it wasnt the most pleasant feeling when somebody asked you to get your passport out to check your email.. but I always got the same reply: "I know, sorry... New regulations.."

    I guess the data retention aspect of this law would be new, but otherwise much of it is already in place!

  12. Same as letter mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    How is this any different than sending mail anonymously through the post office. Should we require all letter mail to be registered and eliminate mail boxes?

  13. In addition by DMNT · · Score: 2, Informative
    The original propose was to save all the TCP/IP data, but was soon discarded as the cost of saving all the data was realized by non-techies. What's most stupid in this, this will not affect those who know their way around that, i.e. terrorists who know the law and how to avoid being listed.

    Now excuse me, I'll be installing Tor.

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  14. Re:Real ID Act and Cyber Cafe's in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    That's why war driving is still popular. There are ALWAYS going to be people setting up open WIFI hubs.... AS I recall, the CCC in Berlin have open WIFI nodes in most of the public parks in the summertime, but have passwords on them, but they are well known and passed around quite liberally.