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HD Era Doesn't Start Till Sony Says So

GamesIndustry.biz is reporting on comments from Phil Harrison, who says that consumers looking for an HD experience should wait for the PS3. From the article: "The true definition of HD is the three elements of the HD value chain - the display, the content and the hardware to play back that content ... and PlayStation and Sony is the only organisation that has all three bits of the value chain together."

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  1. HD Chain by 77Punker · · Score: 2, Informative

    The true definition of HD is something along the lines of "a tv set that's more than 640x480." You could say an HD chain is any old thing that can do HD plus any old HD TV. So, why is this even an article?

    1. Re:HD Chain by /ASCII · · Score: 4, Informative
      Why is there an article? Because Sony says so!

      There seem to be two claims in the article, though they are both kind of vauge.

      The first one is that 720p is not true HD. 720p is 1280*720 @ 60Hz, which is roughly 5.3 higher than SD as used in DVDs, i.e. 720*480 @ 60/2 Hz. 1080p is 1920*1080 @ 60 Hz, another 2.2 times more than 720p. So the step between 720p and 1080p is much smaller than the one from 480i to 720p. It should also be noted that 720p and 1080i contain roughly the same amount of information. It is very unclear to what degree Sony will support 1080p. While the PS3 itself will support it, that does not mean all games will. Sony has made no such statements. Sonys consumer level projectors that are sold today use 720p resolution internally. Blu-ray will support both 720p and 1080p. While many movies will probably be released in 1080p, they are originally shot at 24 FPS, which means they will actually contain less information thatn a full 720p signal, i.e. less information than the 'not HD' Xbox 360. I don't know if there are any tv-series shot in higher resolution than 720p, but I'm sure there aren't many. So there will be very little content for Sony to release that can outperform what the Xbox 360 does today.

      The second claim is even more vauge. You need three things for HD:

      1. A HD compatible TV-set
      2. Something that can generate an HD signal (like a HD reciever, PS3, a PC or a Xbox 360)
      3. Some HD material (Like a game for the Xbox 360, a HD cable signal or a HD-resolution video file)


      What Sony seems to be implying is that while there are lots and lots of different providers that can give you any one of the above, no single provider is currently providing all three. This is true. Sony is also saying that if you aren't using the same brand on all three parts, you aren't using HD. This is false.

      By extension, that would imply that once the PS3 arrives, you won't be doing real HD unless you are playing a Sony game and using a Sony TV-set. So you best forget about playing Resident Evil or buying that Panasonic plasma. Otherwise you won't be doing HD. Says Sony.
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  2. Oh, THAT HD. by Errandboy+of+Doom · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought this was a slam on the 360's reduced hard drive space.

    Could we maybe not reuse acronyms?

    1. Re:Oh, THAT HD. by Xerxus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Generally, in console gaming, the Harddrive is shortened to HDD.

    2. Re:Oh, THAT HD. by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Funny

      HD = High Density, at least when it's printed on 3.5" floppies.

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  3. I can do better... by tktk · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can go beyond HD. All I have to do is look away from any TVs or monitors.

    The resolution of reality is amazing. At least 2x better than HD.

    No good programs to watch or games to play though, just a bunch of tables and chairs.

    1. Re:I can do better... by dolphinling · · Score: 2, Funny

      Haven't you heard of spacetime granularity? The real world only has a framerate of about 18500000000000000000000000000000000000000000Hz. You'll have to buy a newer model universe if you want truly want infinite.

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  4. Sony said so- the "Year of High Definition" by tm2b · · Score: 2, Informative

    Too bad Sony already said so, when Sony President Kunitake Ando announced on stage with Steve Jobs that this would be the "Year of High Definition."

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  5. Sony's value chain by Urkki · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...and Sony is the only organisation that has all three bits of the value chain together."

    Yeah, and the three bits are:
    - protecting user from unlawful access to digital content
    - improving customers' stored digital media (eg MP3 files on PC hard disk)
    - enabling automatic installation of useful software by third parties

  6. Re:Right... by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uh, what? You clearly have no idea what NUMA means.

    NUMA means that memory access times are non-uniform. In other words, longer for some addresses and shorter for others. Unified memory architecure means that all the memory in the system shares a common address space. You can't compare NUMA to UMA because they don't have anything do do with each other. A system can be NUMA and unified at the same time. It can also be non-unified and non-NUMA.

    There is no documented evidence that I can find that the PS3 doesn't have a unified memory address space, dispite the NUMAness of it. In fact it looks like it probably *does* have a unified memory architecture. Also, from what I can tell of the architecture diagrams, it's only NUMA due to the necessity of cache coherancy between the cells (all cells talk to one central memory bank through a switch, cells accessing the same memory need to coordinate before accessing thus slowing down access to shared regions while non-shared regions will have one-step access), and a well written application will not experience the NUMA behavior very often.

    That has to be one of the most arbitrary and stupid ways to distinguish between future gaming platforms. Pick on the quality and quantity of the games, and not on the specs that you don't understand anyway.

  7. Re:Huh? by yasth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or is he saying "If you thought the X360 bundles were heinous, wait until you see us bundle a Sony HDTV with the PS3!"

    Hey at least it makes sense, and would be useful. The real problem will be the bundled Stealh BluD and any other real bombs Sony can fit in. I mean there is precedent for them bundling movies, they did it with the PSP. And what a way to pull out ahead in the disc wars, at least in terms of discs "sold". Who cares if they all end up being dumped in haz mat bins.

    Really if they knew what was good for them, they would just not bundle and charge more, lots more... people will pay $1000 for a console, ebay has shown us that. And there is no real reason to let the speculators make that money. Charge more, then lower the price when you actually have units sitting on the shelves for more then a day.

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  8. ummm? by Klinky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just because Sony makes an array of HD products doesn't mean they're work better than mixing/matching. Just like how having an HP printer hooked up to an HP computer, doesn't suddenly make your prints look better than if you had it hooked up to a Dell.

  9. Re:Right... by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That still doesn't have anything to do with whether the architecture is NUMA or not. Neither of these platforms are going across multiple busses to hit their memory. Don't think of NUMA as a performance hit for some addresses in the cell architecture. Think of it as a performance boost for memory that's only being used by a single cell. All accesses go through a single switch fabric that (depending on the internals that Sony hasn't told the public about) could easily be faster than the bus model that the intel FSB in the 360 uses. Depending on how many transistors they were willing to dedicate to the problem, the switch architecture could theoretically be the superior interconnect in all respects.

    Both of these boxes are powerful machines. The PS3 is a little cooler, but mostly because it's something new and interesting while the 360 is more traditional. At the end of the day, the games are going to look the same for the most part though.

  10. Where have I seen this before? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sony is using classic vapour to promote a product that has "PlayStation" and a number in its name. Where have I seen this before?

  11. Which law are Sony breaking today? by iainl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wait a sec, can we just get this clear?

    Is Sony DELIBERATELY MIS-SELLING consumers TVs which claim to be HD Ready but can't display a 1080p picture?

    Or is Sony DELIBERATELY LYING to consumers when they claim that an output at 720p or 1080i is not HD?

    Because I'd quite like to know whether they are breaking consumer law, or merely slandering Microsoft.

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  12. Value chain by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

    I always believe something when it has the words "value chain" in it.
    Now if only all this Sony crap could be "synergetic" in some way, I'd buy it.

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  13. Re:Right... by apoc06 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    PC developers have provided multiple resolutions for years. i dont see why this gen of consoles would be any different.

    most likely it will be a developer choice: design a decent framerate game at 1080p and allow users to downgrade to 720p and watch the framerate skyrocket. or they can design for 720p and rely on the console to upconvert to 1080p where it twitches and dies. also, there are very many developers that believe in providing the very best experience for gamers; team ninja would opt for 1080p if they had the choice. i can see the gran turismo team doing the same and the MGS4 team too. there are developers that want to push the envelope, not everyone is an EA that just wants to pump out quantity.

    i can see blu-ray taking off simply because it seems to be in the lead in the next gen HD movie format war. people have these HDTVs and they are looking for more content to use when showing it off. they are going to want movies they can use when showcasing their new home theater.