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Fixing Windows Boxes that Crash After Blackouts?

UnseenTomorrow asks: "Everytime there's a power outage in my house, my Gateway computer crashes. It's only 2.5 yrs old. After the crash the computer just will not allow Windows to boot (yes, this includes "Safe Mode" and every other boot option in that menu). Should I explicitly say that I'm tired of rebuilding or restoring the image everytime? Does anyone have any idea of what could be the problem. I've other computers running fine after the power outage with the same OS but different hardware manufacturer. Any clues or suggestions would be greatly appreciated."

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  1. Think ahead by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's why God invented the UPS. The last one I bought was $90, but you can get them for much less, use the networking connections, and install the software that'll automatically shut down the system.

    I don't use a huge UPS (actually I have two). I've noticed that if we get a power outage that's more than a flicker (i.e. lasting longer than 2 minutes, while circuits reset), that it'll likely be out for 45 minutes or more. So I don't worry about keeping my systems going for longer than 5 minutes (which is the 2 minutes plus 3 to shut them down -- which will change when I finally have time to set them up to communicate with the UPS).

    1. Re:Think ahead by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Informative

      This comes up everytime the subject of UPS's are mentioned.

      No, you don't want car OR marine batteries (car batteries are worse, but both are inappropriate.)

      In these batteries, the plates are more like lead sponges designed for high current output for short periods of time. What you want are industrial type batteries that are designed for many recharge cycles and long-term use - fork-lift batteries, or golf cart batteries are generally good choices. They have thick lead plates that hold up. Since they are not sealed, you have venting issues, and need to keep an eye on the water/acid levels.

    2. Re:Think ahead by unitron · · Score: 2, Informative
      "For my 600VA unit, I pulled the stock 7VA battery and hooked up a car battery."

      Car batteries (or tractor or marine or anything along those lines) do not belong indoors, and are probably a good way to void your homeowner's or renter's insurance, assuming that you're still alive to care.

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  2. Um . . . by Seumas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, it sucks and all and that kind of thing can tend to happen with a hard shutdown... But you know, it could all be avoided with a reasonable backup power supply unit. Either one big one for all of them or several small ones. YOu just need enough time for them to shut down gracefully. If you're running Windows they often come with software that will instruct the systems ot safely shutdown after the outage is detected and before the juice runs out.

    Sure, they're not free or cheap, but figure if you make $30-$40/hr and if you spend eight hours rebuilding a bunch of boxes, you might as well have just spent a few hundred on a nice power supply...

  3. What's running? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is something running on that computer that isn't running on others? I'm wondering if an important boot file is being left 'open' and never successfully closes unless Windows shuts down. Since you mentioned it being a Gateway computer, I would look closely at this. Maybe they have a recovery app that's shadow-copying your boot stuff so you can recover it later. (Maybe even the Windows save state for system files...?)

    On a different topic, years ago I had a problem where Windows 98 would hose itself if you shut it down. It'd actually wipe out the FAT table. Why? The HD was new with a bigger cache than most discs had at the time. Windows would shut the power off to the drive before the disc was done writing data from the cache. I don't have high hopes that this has anything to do with your computer, but if I had nothing else to try in your situation, I'd see if the problem happens with a different HD.

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  4. Your likely problem... by redheaded_stepchild · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ok, here's your answer. I'm guessing your Gateway has GoBack on it. GoBack does not play well with other software or hardware, and likes to shit itself^H^H^H^H^H and can cause data inconsistencies when you pull the plug.

    Basically, what it takes to fix it is get rid of the problem (GoBack) This will require, when you boot up, hit the space bar and turn GoBack off. Leave it off. Then, do what all the other nice people on /. are telling you to do, and get a UPS and plug a new computer into it.


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  5. CHKDSK by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looks like your system crashed during a write and NTFS is unclean. Boot off a Windows CD. Press "R" to run the recovery console, log in, and type "chkdsk /f c:".

    9 out of 10 times, chkdsk will be able to restore FS consistency. If not, do a "repair" operation to put down fresh OS files. Unplug the net until you enable the firewall, though.

    1. Re:CHKDSK by x69 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since this seems to happen to the OP faily often I'd suggest installing the recovery console to the hard drive so that you don't have to fumble around looking for the windows cd every time it happens.

      Check out http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb; en-us;307654 for more details

      -Gerard

  6. If its not a software problem... by spleck · · Score: 2, Informative

    It could be the fact that its a Gateway. Cheap powersupply, motherboard, hard drive. My guess is that something is not behaving properly during the low power condition. I believe the PS should shut off completely when its not able to maintain 5/12V, but due to a design flaw or defect, yours may still be outputting, leading to unknown states in various components of your system.

    Easiest answer: UPS.

    Otherwise, a fresh, clean install of Windows; swap power supplies; swap hard drives; swap motherboard, etc.