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Nvidia to Buy ULI Electronics

Steve from Hexus writes "In a move that has taken the technology market by surprise, graphics card and chipset manufacturer Nvidia has announced its intention to buy ULI Electronics, Taiwanese chipset designer and maker: 'NVIDIA openly recognizes that a large proportion of chipset innovation happens in the Far East where ULi is based and that is one of the things that makes ULi an attractive proposition. The move is seen by many as good sense on NVIDIA's part as its own in-house chipset makers are based solely in the USA. ULi, in contrast, has relationships with chipset makers in Taiwan and China, as well as in San Jose.'"

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  1. New Tech! by Renraku · · Score: 2, Funny

    The next technology is to have two GPUs on one card! What they don't tell you is, that the second GPU is wasting all of its time its not in a game running a botnet to factor NSA passwords..

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  2. Other Relationships... by Chris+Bradshaw · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wonder if some of the companies industry relationsips serve as icing on the cake...?

    http://www.transmeta.com/efficeon/partner_tech/uli .html

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  3. You nailed it by b00m3rang · · Score: 4, Funny

    It says right there in the article that they plan not to make their products better, ever again. I think it's a bad move for the company.

    Also... what the hell are you talking about?

  4. Buy American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny


    oh wait....

  5. I have a ULI-based motherboard... by puppetman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and it's pretty cool - has both AGP and PCI-Xpress sockets so that I can continue to use my ATI X800 AGP video card, and then upgrade to a PCI-Xpress when it becomes too old. It also comes with two SATA ports, and an SATA2 port.

    The motherboard is built by Asus (their value line, called ASRock), and it's been a great performer. It's the first motherboard that I've gotten dual-channel memory working.

    The chipsets are innovative, but are they so innovative that nVidia wouldn't want to copy them? Maybe the lead-time, and wanting to keep their chipset line small was the reason.

    1. Re:I have a ULI-based motherboard... by jollyroger1210 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have one also and think its great. This is a big move for nVidia. I wonder if they can SLI their factories?

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  6. ATI? by Frenchy_2001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the fun part is that lots of MB using ATI chipset use ULI southbridge as ATI still has a way to go for SATA, usb ans sound.

    The real story is that it gives nVidia a good office in Taiwan and will strengthen their ties with taiwanese and chinese design house, mostly for MB and especially for laptops.

  7. Sucks for ATI by PAPPP · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ULi also appears to be the only company other than ATI making chipsets that support CrossFire (ATI's multi-GPU solution, competing with Nvidia's SLI, for the one person who doesnt know but cares) in the form of the ULi M1575. I cant imagine Nvidia will let that continue.

  8. Well, ... by c0l0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I really, really hope this has positive impacts on the quality of nVIDIA's chipsets. They've been ridden with bugs times and times again, whilst ULi seemed to get along without major hickups like the totally b0rked SATA-implementation on the nForce3 150, for example.
    And I hope they'll continue to provide the Linux Kernel Hackers with specs of their chipsets, just in the fashion ULi used to do. It can only get better for nVIDIA by embracing ULi's practises in more than a few fields of operation, in my opinion.

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    1. Re:Well, ... by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just thought I should remind you that Nvidia doesnt manufacture video cards. They make chips and then sell them to other companies that in turn manufacture the video cards and motherboards that you buy in the retail or OEM channel.

      Its those companies (MSI, ASUS, XFX, Gigabyte, etc.) you should be complaining to.

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  9. Not a positive move for consumers by dgkulzer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I recently purchased a Asrock 939DualSataII with a ULI chipset. This board came with AGP and PCI Express graphics slots, another slot for a future M2 upgrade board, no whiny fans on the northbridge and is very stable. I am not a overclocker but people were having great luck OC'ing this board. Although most board companies were using the ULI chipsets in their budget boards, this was starting to change. The current ULI chipset competed very well with the Nvidia chipset, in some cases its actually faster and I think if ULI was a seperate company it would be giving Nvidia some great competition in a few years. If you don't want Nvidia what else is there? Via chipsets are not what they used to be and the ATI southbridge has horrible USB 2.0 performance - this is supposed to be fixed in the next southbridge they release. I bought a NF4 based motherboard and had alot of problems with it. I found out through forums that the IDE drivers are buggy so I didnt install them, the 'activearmor' is buggy so I didnt install that and active armor was one of the selling points for me when I bought the motherboard. I never did get all of my driver problems worked out. I hate to say this but my next computer will probably be Intel motherboard with a Intel chipset. I havent used a Intel processor since 1998 but unless ATI or Via releases a much better chipset I don't see myself as having any choice. Nvidia makes great graphics cards so don't take this as a anti-Nvidia comment, I just don't like their chipsets. I suppose its easier for a company like Nvidia to buy ULI than it is to fix their own product, something we have all seen over and over again.

    1. Re:Not a positive move for consumers by m50d · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've found modern VIA chipsets to be fine. Great linux support, does everything I need it to. What're your problems with them?

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    2. Re:Not a positive move for consumers by TorreyH · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you don't want Nvidia what else is there? Via chipsets are not what they used to be and the ATI southbridge has horrible USB 2.0 performance...

      Its a good point - NVidia has pretty much cornered the market for AMD MB's already. ULi was providing an alternative on the "budget" boards, and could have launched some kind of challenge in the performance/hobbyist niche as well. Competition is a *good* thing. My NF4 board is OK, but one of the LAN ports has already failed, and the it runs way too hot. Unless VIA can make a comeback, NF5 will dominate the next generation, whether it deserves to or not.
    3. Re:Not a positive move for consumers by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Via chipsets are not what they used to be

      Say that to my new Via Asus board that support dual channel, dual core, and is 100% Linux compatible out of the box.

      Nvidia is not the only choice.

    4. Re:Not a positive move for consumers by kesuki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Via chipsets are not what they used to be

      Oh Via is Everything it used to be, and that's the problem, the law of averages suggests that a company that's trying to produce as many chipsets as cheaply as possible are going to wind up with a few that manage to exceed the typical quality level churned out..

      if you're considering a via, you seriously need to go with a fully researched configuration, not just what the marketing department claims the board can run. now i'm typing this from a rock solid Via based solution as we speak, but there are a lot of pieces of hardware i cannot purchase for this unit, simply because they're Known Incompatabilities, of course most chipsets have "known incompatabilities" but i tend to hear of more for via than other chipset makers. It's very easy to design a system around a via chipset, even in this day and age, but as always one needs to know what Won't work, and what's going to cause you nightmares and headaches galore. that's what they make the internet for ;) find out what people who like via are putting into their systems and what n00bs who know nothing about configuring a system are trying to do that is totally f00baring them.

    5. Re:Not a positive move for consumers by m50d · · Score: 2, Informative
      You must not have tried very many of them...

      Two or three, just my own home system.

      They do commonly have poor support for Linux,

      Not my experience at all. They actually ship linux drivers on the CDs which is more than most will do, and AFAICS are pretty helpful with specs.

      particularly IDE without DMA, or something like that.

      170mb PIO-only drive worked fine in the two of my systems I tried it in.

      In the past few years, their northbridges have been getting hotter and hotter very very quickly, and yet motherboard makers rarely put a fan on them. Besides serious power consumption problems, that leads to real instability unless your system has terribly good airflow.

      The box I'm writing this on has no fan on the northbridge and a very cheap-and-crappy case, but hasn't had any stability problems. I've left it on for days without a hint of trouble.

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  10. Whew... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    For a moment I thought they were going to a pull 3Dfx by making their own cards and killing their market.

    I had a job interview for a QA position at 3Dfx about six months before it went under. I was shocked that the marketing department was calling the shots instead of the engineers. After that Dilbert experience, I didn't want to work there. Of course, asking the marketing hack why I should be interviewed by him when I was applying for a technical position probably didn't help.

  11. Look out ATI by defro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As someone mentioned above, ATI's southbridge offerings are, to say the least, lacking. I know on their (ATI's) new crossfire platform, most if not all motherboards use the ULI southbridge. That chip has some great features - SATA300, PCI Express link, and RAID0/1/0+1/5. What will ATI do now? I can't see nVidia making this integration any easier for ATI, so will ATI go looking for its' own chipset company? VIA, SiS, etc. will soon be saying, show me the money!

  12. Logic is Hard by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 4, Funny
    "NVIDIA openly recognises that a large proportion of chipset innovation happens in the Far East where ULi is based - and that is one of the things that made ULi an attractive proposition."

    • There is a great deal of chipset innovation in the "Far East".
    • Uli is in the "Far East".
    • Nvidia wants chipset innovation.
    • Therefore... Nvidia buys Uli?

    Someone needs a refresher in logic.

    Come to think of it, a large proportion of desktop operating systems are developed in the United States where ChaosDiscordOS is based - and that is one of the things that made ChaosDiscordOS an attractive proposition. Anyone want to buy full rights to my operating system, ChaosDiscordOS*? I figure $10,000,000 is a reasonable price, since it's so attractive.

    * Warning: Operating system may consist of nothing more than an ugly logo thrown together in the GIMP and a main.c file that contains, "/* TODO: Write operating system */"

  13. Monopoly by Guspaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How long before governments look to stop nVidia from buying out the entire chipset market? They're starting to verge on monopoly here. Just when another chipset maker starts to get established, they buy them up.

  14. Not really about technology advancement.... by BenJeremy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The move was merely to swallow up a competitor and likely use ULi's current line as a low end chipset.

    nVidia has been making a lot of inroads in the chipset market, but not ATI is joining the fray... Eliminating ULi as competition, and acquiring it's current portfolio doesn't really provide a big bang for the buck, but marginally improves market share for nVidia in the chipset market.

    It doesn't hurt that ULi came up with it's own configurable PCI-E setup (ala SLI, though not supported by video card makers, yet). That's probably the key piece, and there may be some parts of the IP portfolio nVidia can leverage toreduce their own licensing costs - which means cheaper chipsets.

    Additionally, they gain a group of driver and firmware developers, probably more accustomed to rapid technology changes than nVidia's own group (allowing their original people to concentrate on video)

    Overall, it's a "Decent" move, probably having more to do with opportunity, rather than as some large-scale strategic move. ULi simply doesn't command the market share nVidia does, and there are plenty of Asian motherboard makers using nForce chipsets already - this move has NOTHING to do with building those relationships.

    I liken it more to buying that 300GB SATA drive on Black Friday because it's a decent deal, not because I suddenly need all that extra capacity, or even that I'll need it in the future... however, it does give me more options.